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    A fantasy RPG set in a world inspired by Western Europe during the 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th centuries, with all of its bearded warlords, illiterate petty kings, and political diffusion.


    Exposition of Sulendom and its History
    An Elvish civilization of imperial nature has fallen some centuries back, and now Mannish kingdoms sprawl across the continental region they call "Sulendom", meaning "land where Sul rules". Sul, as you may ask, is the great and almighty Lord of the Sun, shining ever brightly upon the world and upon those who worship him. The Mannish folk of Sulendom worship Sul as their near-monotheistic god and their culture revolves nearly entirely around their incandescent religion. There is also a goddess known as Layla who is Mistress of Moonlight, and about which there is much controversy among the theological circles of Sulendom - is Layla Sul's wife, or his daughter? Such a complicated question, indeed. More about that later...

    The old elven empire is near forgotten in a literate sense, for the only written records that now exist of it are written long after its collapse and by human authors.
    Their old cities are crumbling ruins under lakes and in forbidden marshes, left to rot in fog and myth while the illiterate human farmer plows his field nearby.

    Elves still live today, though it can be assumed that they too cannot truly remember what their great empire looked like for they only have an oral memory of it.
    They usually live in slums and ghettos in human towns set aside for them and are often treated as little better than slaves.
    However, on the other hand, the more intelligent and literate individuals realize that much of the human population is at least part elf from when the Mannish tribes first migrated in to these lands.

    Myths and legends tell of further history, telling sometimes of dweorgas or "dwarves" and sometimes of eotenas or "giants."
    The former left behind all those strange stone structures that are found throughout Sulendom marked with runes, while the latter were said to devour men until ancient heroes slew them with the help of the dwarven-forged weapons. But no proof remains of such tales, besides the haunting moors dotted by standing stones and all the mountainsides with carvings on them.

    The elves are said to have worshiped many gods, the names of which are only now remembered as demons in the writings of the Temple of Sul.
    Sul and Layla, then, came out of the east somewhere; It is said that a human people known as the Canalites worshiped Sul and Layla since the dawn of time, and faced a great many challenges and threats throughout time, only protected by Sul and Layla. But eventually, according to the theology, a man named Lasser claimed that Sul had spoken to him and told him to go westwards, to the collapsing elven empire. There, Lasser preached his religion to many ears, until his words finally found a home in the shape of a few Mannish kings who were bringing about the final fall of the elven hegemony. These kings and their names have become legendary, now more shrouded in myth than fact. Sulianity spread throughout the Mannish tribes of the west, incorporating their culture and old gods until this new western "Sulianity" no longer resembled the religion of the distant and isolated Canalites.

    However, in recent history a new people have appeared - humans of darker skin, tanned and olived, bearing great skill with the horse.
    They worship the sun and the moon as well, but name them differently in their alien tongue. They have been dubbed as "Southron", Southerners, or even "Suth-Folc."
    On one hand, they have a reputation for violent conquests and taking conquered women as wives and concubines, but on the other hand, they are also rumoured to be very tolerant of conquered peoples once they stop fighting - particularly elves.
    One such conquest nearly happened in Sulendom, had not these southerners been defeated and turned back in a certain, recent battle...

    Historical Inspiration and Basis
    Sulendom takes its inspiration from, as stated above, Western Europe during the 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th centuries.
    This mostly means the Franks, Anglo-Saxons, Goths, Lombards, Burgundians, etc., during the centuries just following the Germanic Migration Period.
    The political situation in Sulendom could very easily be compared to Europe after the Battle of Tours in 732, when Charles Martel led a united Frankish force to stop and repel an Islamic Arab invasion of what is now modern France. The newcomer "Southron" folk mirror the existence of Ummayad Al-Andalus in Spain, and likewise led an invasion north into Sulendom - one that failed.

    Sul is particularly inspired by the Late Roman god "Sol Invictus", who was particularly favored by Emperors and soldiers.
    Layla is inspired by the Roman "Diana" as well as Greek "Persephone."

    Terminology
    Sulic: This world's Latin (as well as any Greek words that come in).
    Elvish: This world's Welsh (as well as other Celtic languages).
    Comitatus: Latin (Sulic) for "company" or "armed band", classically referring to the warband of retainers and loyal followers that a Germanic or Celtic chieftain went into battle with.
    Later, the word came to have two meanings, closely related: An armed group and domain of a count. We will be using the former definition, and will not be using "count" or "comes" and its derivatives to refer to any feudal lords, but will instead use terms like Ealdorman.
    Thane/Thegn: A noble of the warrior class, typically serving as retainers and servants of Ealdormen, Princes, and Kings.
    Ealdorman: A noble who rules land for his liege, a King or Prince, in fiefdom.
    Prince: Prince is used not to mean "heir" but rather to mean "most distinguished" and "ruler" as in the Latin "Princeps". Rulers who are Princes are thought of as lesser than Kings, but this is not always so.
    Housecarl/Huscarl: Noble Thegn retainers who serve a particular service to their lord or king, as military leaders and lieutenants, and are often responsible for organizing levies and taxes (their lord sends them out across the land for this purpose).
    Paladin: Paladins are similar to the Housecarl and the Thegn, but are more esteemed; their name comes from "Palatine", meaning "of the palace."
    They are usually only a handful in number, and are a king's right-hand men.
    Teulu: A Welsh (Elvish) word for "bodyguards" or "retainers."
    Thing: A Mannish custom; traditionally a governing assembly composed of all the adult individuals of the governed community, presided over by the chieftain in charge.
    In some regions, the Thing has been minimized into an elective or advisory council to kings and ealdormen.
    -ceastre: a suffix added to some place names meaning "city" or "fort."
    -burh: a noun and a suffix often added to place names meaning "fort" or "fortified city."

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    This thread is for further coordinating this universe.
    It must be fleshed out more, given names and lore.

    When we are done and/or satisfied, we can do some roleplaying.
    My suggestion for said roleplaying is that we are a small band of mercenaries and adventurers (not in a dungeon-crawling sense) seeking battle, wealth, and likely many other things.
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    I am gonna be making a map of this universe when I can. I made a rough draft to test my photoshopping skills (I am using a free trial) and am gonna try to make a better one in the future.
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    So.. anyone got anything to contribute.. or..?

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    Not sure, it seems interesting. One thread I assume? Oh and where would we be starting?

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    I'm fairly happy with the lore base we have now, so it's probably time to flesh it all out a bit

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    I'm honestly tempted to say we could just start the RPG soon and jump in, fleshing the world out through RP.

    We'd make up a few needed areas, like where we are starting, what we are doing at start, etc.

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    I'd be up for that, to be honest.

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    If we come into lore problems (like contradictions, or something that many of us simply don't like), we can discuss it here and deal with it (even rectonning the issue if need be).

    As for LM's map, I think we shouldn't have problems with this as long as we don't get TOO specific about geography, and if we stick to a realistic land size (like the size of Flanders or Kent) until the map appears, we shouldn't have trouble deciding where things are.

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    So, where to begin? Guess we should probably start with where we are currently

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    Random idea:
    A realm about to be thrown into a chaos not unlike the reign of Amalasuntha over the Ostrogoths in Italy.
    This could be an interesting look at what happens when a woman tries to rule during the "dark ages"; Civil war, with power-hungry Migration period nobles ready to strike.

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    We could use her name as an inspiration for the name of the kingdom perhaps? Would be fairly original then at least.

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    Yes, but now I have an even better idea: We'll do that kingdom setting later.
    For now, I think we should do a prologue RP of this world's version of the Battle of Tours. Thoughts?

    I think it'd make for a rather epic introduction to Comitatus, set maybe even a decade before the beginning of the main story.

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    Okay. Now that would be something big, and a good way to introduce both mannish cultures.

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    Now, we just need to get Pinkerton, Oznerol, and someone like McScottish on board.

    I think we have Zeus, LM, and M, for sure.
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    I'm game

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    Okay, been reading about the Battle of Tours for some research, so I know how I want to approach that prologue RP.

    Well, if everyone is interested in that, anyways.

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    Yup, still here. Although I have to say that I have a seriously hectic job working long hours. So my activity would be kind of restricted to one hour everyday.


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    I too would be slightly restricted activity-wise, but I am both here and ready to lend my sword, bow and axe to this!

    Background seems pretty solid, I do have a couple of questions though; do all the Mannish cultures worship Sul/are Sulanites, or are there still other 'pagan' human tribes/kingdoms/etc? Does any form of magic exist (I'm assuming not)? Aaaaand are there other men living outside/on the fringes of Suldom - like a second wave of barbarian migration, if you will? Lastly, would the Elves ever be able to get into positions of power or so forth?

    P.S.

    How much of this did you get from the Witcher series?

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    @Sul and Sulanites,
    Likely. I hadn't thought about the possibility, but I would imagine that, yes, there are pockets of non-Sulanite people, like the pagan Saxons of n. Germany were.

    @Magic,
    Nope. Besides phenomena that could be construed as magic, no.

    @Other humans,
    There's already some guys based on the Ummayads of Spain, named the "Southrons" for now (thinking of giving them another name from "Outremer" or "beyond the sea"); they worship Sul as well, but in a very different way (Islam to Christianity). Other groups exist as well, haven't touched on them. I ok'd Xion RPing a character based on Magyars. Similarly, I imagine there are tribal people like the Slavs to the east as well, beyond Sul's borders.
    We may need to expand the definition of "Mannish"

    @Witcher,
    I think mostly just the style of the elves and their history with humans.

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