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    Default Two Ing-Game Issues With ROP II

    Having tried out ROP II the last couple of days, I found two things that jarred the game a lot for me. This might be a mere matter of taste, but here we go:

    1) AI Greek factions overrun everything from west-to-east. Not too surprising, given their military advantages. Still, it slowly doomed my game where I played as Babylon and managed to stabilize the empire, fend off a lot of foreign attacks and even conquer Susa in amongst the two-front-wars.

    Eventually, the Ionians conquered the Lydians and pumped out large armies to invade Lydia and then Media north of my territory, plus Taros which I owned. Given the peculiarities of the low-level Eastern barrack units, I found a working grind strategy against them, consisting of constantly abandoning Taros, defeating lumbering Hoplite armies in the field and reconquer Taros in sieges with mounted archers. This had to be done over and over again without end, since Ionia could pump out ever more full-strength armies against Taros while maintaining their offensive to the north. And now, Cyrenaica has conquered the last Egyptian city, making me a neighbour of the Greek great powers. The future looks bleak, with an endless repetitive mounted archer grind, from which I cannot escape by making higher-tier barracks and units, since all resources gets swallowed by the need to constantly replenish these low-tier front armies...

    Which leads us to the second issue. A major issue.


    2) Slow economy, expensive armies. One of Rome I's strengths was it relatively fast economy. It was pretty simple to make your economy bloom, and it was quite cheap and simple to raise armies, making for a funnier game. This lovely element does not feature here. It is the same in two Medieval II mods which I tried, and seems to be a thing with modders. Eventually, the boring slow economy and high-maintenance units led me to drop long-running campaigns on those mods, and the same is happening on ROP II. Is it possible to add a fast/cheap economy option to ROP III? This would be immensely appreciated if you did.

    Also, thanks for a nice mod! It's certainly good. With the above two issues fixed, it would be superb in my eyes. Also, it'd be nice to see more Babylonian-style beards on Mesopotamian units, but that might already be planned.

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    Default Re: Two Ing-Game Issues With ROP II

    Another way to express issue two would be: More armies on the campaign map and more units in the armies, please.

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    Default Re: Two Ing-Game Issues With ROP II

    Quote Originally Posted by Karak Norn Clansman View Post
    Having tried out ROP II the last couple of days, I found two things that jarred the game a lot for me. This might be a mere matter of taste, but here we go:

    1) AI Greek factions overrun everything from west-to-east. Not too surprising, given their military advantages. Still, it slowly doomed my game where I played as Babylon and managed to stabilize the empire, fend off a lot of foreign attacks and even conquer Susa in amongst the two-front-wars.

    Eventually, the Ionians conquered the Lydians and pumped out large armies to invade Lydia and then Media north of my territory, plus Taros which I owned. Given the peculiarities of the low-level Eastern barrack units, I found a working grind strategy against them, consisting of constantly abandoning Taros, defeating lumbering Hoplite armies in the field and reconquer Taros in sieges with mounted archers. This had to be done over and over again without end, since Ionia could pump out ever more full-strength armies against Taros while maintaining their offensive to the north. And now, Cyrenaica has conquered the last Egyptian city, making me a neighbour of the Greek great powers. The future looks bleak, with an endless repetitive mounted archer grind, from which I cannot escape by making higher-tier barracks and units, since all resources gets swallowed by the need to constantly replenish these low-tier front armies...

    Which leads us to the second issue. A major issue.


    2) Slow economy, expensive armies. One of Rome I's strengths was it relatively fast economy. It was pretty simple to make your economy bloom, and it was quite cheap and simple to raise armies, making for a funnier game. This lovely element does not feature here. It is the same in two Medieval II mods which I tried, and seems to be a thing with modders. Eventually, the boring slow economy and high-maintenance units led me to drop long-running campaigns on those mods, and the same is happening on ROP II. Is it possible to add a fast/cheap economy option to ROP III? This would be immensely appreciated if you did.

    Also, thanks for a nice mod! It's certainly good. With the above two issues fixed, it would be superb in my eyes. Also, it'd be nice to see more Babylonian-style beards on Mesopotamian units, but that might already be planned.
    Thank you so much, Karak Norn, for the kind words. Your message really made want to work on ROPIII again, because its been weeks since i touch it, because i am all alone in this mod now. I wasn't the one who started it, but like you i enjoyed so much the mod that i wanted to help in its development. But i didn't know that the team was dead, so for a very long while its all me, and i don't have the knowledge. But seing people like you remind me of me and the desire for a better mod. So i will redo my work on this and will try to make it the best mod ever.

    Your Issue 1 has been dealed with. The Greeks will have an hard time getting strong.
    But issue 2 am sorry, but thats not really the goal for this mod. One thing that i will do tough, the upkeep will not be as crazy as ROPII, so the economy will be a little better.

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    Default Re: Two Ing-Game Issues With ROP II

    That certainly sounds good enough to me. Looking forward to ROP III. Thank you very much for struggling to carry this through alone, Wise Coffin!

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    Default Re: Two Ing-Game Issues With ROP II

    ..... I have a suggestion Wise Coffin ....
    Can you release a small patch which addresses the ease in which the AI of the Greeks steamroll thru the campaign ?
    It would improve what the public currently have access to & that is R.O.P v2.2
    cheers
    Last edited by Flinn; June 30, 2016 at 10:56 AM. Reason: please avoid to use bold if not necessary

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    Default Re: Two Ing-Game Issues With ROP II

    2.2 is an ancient beta release from 2008, coffin will heroically give us the true release.

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