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[Roma_Victrix]

It's also broken in the Thrones of Britannia. Which CA apparently can't fix . Maybe field battles are their priorities but they're way more crude than in the M2TW.

So, the M2TW-EBII player, rejoice and have fun playing!

Amen to that! I'll never buy a new TW release due to these and many other reasons. I happily stick with M2TW, especially because EBII is such a phenomenal and reliable mod.

[JC_von_Preussen]

I am giving a try to the KH campaign after having played 240+ turns with the Ptolemaic one.

I'm at turn 14 and most of my FM have like 3-4 ancillaries each.

When I was playing with the Ptolemaic, I gained some nice ancillaries in the beginning (10 first turns). But I never reached so many ancillaries per capita. Having Alexandreia and the Museion there, Iwas expecting to get very good ancillaries all the time.
Now, by comparaison, KH FMs all are very shinny while my ptolemaic generals all were very dull.

What's more, even after winning some battles, none of my Ptolemaic ever gained command or confidence traits.

Am I hallucinanting ???

[Roma_Victrix]

That might just be the game messing with you intentionally due to the Ptolemies starting off as being so much more powerful than Koinon Hellenon.

Speaking of ancillaries, as the Romani faction I recently took Syracusae in Sicily and gained the Archimedes ancillary for my faction leader Manivs Valerivs Maximvs. However, I noticed you guys deliberately removed my favorite line from the description of this most worthy and famous Greek mathematician & inventor: "it's a shame he's so argumentative." PUT IT BACK! PUT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS BACK...and while you're at it, this phrase you removed from his ancillary description.

Also, I want to say one positive thing followed by much-deserved criticism: I LOVE the new Celtic voice mod. The Celtic units sound so menacing and sinister, it's great. The Greeks on the other hand...good Lord...what have you guys done? The voice actor is just not as good as previous ones, hands down, on top of the sound quality diminishing to a contemptible degree. It's barely audible, sounds about as muffled as an old record from the 1930s, and has that "tin can" quality to it. For the love of all that is holy, please record these again and please find a better voice actor, preferably one who still has some testosterone.

[Wulfburk]

Heh, yeah its not to sound rude to the new voice actor, its just that we are so used to the HOPLITAI HAPLOI, PHALANGITAI and SOMATOPHYLAKES STRATEGOU, the first impression i got when i got to play EB 1 back then, was "man, these greeks and macedonians dont sound puny at all, they sound like some badass motherers" Made me start appreciating them way more, even outside of EB, lol

I do miss them in this version.

[JC_von_Preussen]

I have not played EB1 for long, so I can't compare the greek voices from then and the current ones.

I noticed there is a difference btw the greek voices as Ptolemics and as KH. I'd say the Ptolemaics have a poorer recording (tin can) but there's some emotion into it. The KH (so far, new campaign), sound clearer, yet quite neutral, almost without emotion. I'm no pro at all. So I can't say...

I do LOVE the fact there is greek in the game. Has there been an effort put into having Greek divided into different dialekts and accents ? I would suppose the Greek spoken by Makedon colonists in Egypt would be quite different from the one in Attike. Right ?

[Roma_Victrix]

I have not played EB1 for long, so I can't compare the greek voices from then and the current ones.

I noticed there is a difference btw the greek voices as Ptolemics and as KH. I'd say the Ptolemaics have a poorer recording (tin can) but there's some emotion into it. The KH (so far, new campaign), sound clearer, yet quite neutral, almost without emotion. I'm no pro at all. So I can't say...

I do LOVE the fact there is greek in the game. Has there been an effort put into having Greek divided into different dialekts and accents ? I would suppose the Greek spoken by Makedon colonists in Egypt would be quite different from the one in Attike. Right ?

The changes are a lot more recent than that. Are you a new player? The voice acting I'm talking about, although originally from EBI, was in EBII as recently as version 2.3 and we are now at v. 2.35. Some original stuff is actually still there, for instance, the Molosson Agema cavalry still sound the same as in the last version (thank God), but other units not so much. Basically all the Illyrian units now have voice commands, and they all unfortunately have that terrible audio quality with the mediocre voice acting.

[Rad]

Thureopherontes Hippeis - could you give those guys proper spears and tweak their helmets a bit? They deserve it
The mailed Thorakitai, Thorakitai Epilektoi and other units that use the same torso model - could the belt be changed? It looks very rough and simple compared to the unit.

[LusitanianWolf]

I do have an suggestion to make the late game more interesting for the "barbarian" factions, inspired by the Lugian "Celtic Overlord" concept:
A new government called Gallic/Lusitanian/Celtiberian/Germanic Overlord that could be used on provinces outside of the traditional sphere of influence of these factions and would allow some conversion, slow recruitment of factional elites and professionals/mercs (starting with very slow refresh and increasing a but after the culture assimilation), some locals with the drawback of causing hight unrest.
This could be used to.simulate the establishment of a small ruling elite over an hostile native population and would allow barbarian factions to recruit some of their iconic units away from their homeland.

[alex33]

Thorakitai Epilektoi

Thorakitai Epilektoi are still using a placeholder model so this appereance is not final.

[COMIS -3- ΠΑΝΙΩΝΑΡΑ]

I don't know of it is possible but can you make basilike patris available in the three Hellenic capitals to be built without script?Alexandreia, Seleukeia and Pella?

[Roma_Victrix]

Thorakitai Epilektoi are still using a placeholder model so this appereance is not final.

I'm definitely going to pee or poo my pants when I finally see the finished model for Thorakitai Epilektoi. Might need an adult diaper from that point forward. It gonna be good.

[Rad]

Thorakitai Epilektoi are still using a placeholder model so this appereance is not final.

The belt remains.
I know that the Epilektoi aren't final, but the stuff I point out has a bad habbit of festering into other units

[Tactics Mayers]

Is the Indian Unit roster really complete?

I don't expect the Indians to match the heavy infantry and cavalry of Greeks but current roster doesn't exactly match the advances the Indian military made in terms of armor and weapons duting Asoka's reign. The only native elite unit they have are chariots

[QuintusSertorius]

Is the Indian Unit roster really complete?

I don't expect the Indians to match the heavy infantry and cavalry of Greeks but current roster doesn't exactly match the advances the Indian military made in terms of armor and weapons duting Asoka's reign. The only native elite unit they have are chariots

They still have a few units to go, there's some mercenary infantry and Indo-Sakan cavalry. Indo-Greeks are the heaviest native units.

They have lancers as well, though they replace the chariots.

[Tactics Mayers]

They still have a few units to go, there's some mercenary infantry and Indo-Sakan cavalry. Indo-Greeks are the heaviest native units.

They have lancers as well, though they replace the chariots.

Those Indo-Greeks aren't exactly "native" in the strictest terms. They are basically Iranians and other native people influenced by Hellenic military tactics and arms.

I meant by actual native Indians. Besides the Indian Macemen, the Indian Bodyguards and the Chariots, are these the only native Indians with armor? Are the Indian Guild Warriors from EB1 still in concept or are they just fantasy units?

[QuintusSertorius]

The EB1 units are fantasy, we already have the guild units in the urban roster - Macemen, Spearmen and Archers.

[Rad]

By the way, Quintus - I maxed out another war temple.
The extra +1 exp bonus to cavalry from it works just fine. It just doesn't stack with other cavalry exp boosts.

[Aper]

By the way, Quintus - I maxed out another war temple.
The extra +1 exp bonus to cavalry from it works just fine. It just doesn't stack with other cavalry exp boosts.

About temples, are you planning to revise them? Because currently I have some doubts about their balance, I think governor is much better than the others, followed by fertility, that is not different enough from farming (at least for barbarians), while battle, happiness and forge seems inferior choices (again, especially for barbarians). TBH, I extensively modded them in my installation. Any thoughts?

[QuintusSertorius]

About temples, are you planning to revise them? Because currently I have some doubts about their balance, I think governor is much better than the others, followed by fertility, that is not different enough from farming (at least for barbarians), while battle, happiness and forge seems inferior choices (again, especially for barbarians). TBH, I extensively modded them in my installation. Any thoughts?

Not really; we're limited by the small number of relevant capabilities that buildings have.

[Aper]

Not really; we're limited by the small number of relevant capabilities that buildings have.

I understand, but what I meant is that each temple tier bonus need a rebalance. For example IIRC (I didn't keep a backup of the original files ) the tier 4 of the FUN temple due to the law malus actually grant a smaller net public order bonus than the other temples, plus the corruption increase; and the smaller upkeep cost doesn't make much sense IMHO, it would be better tied to a more management focused temple, or I'm wrong?

Since this thread is meant to contain suggestions, I suggest the changes I made in my files : the general guidelines are slower happiness bonus progression but increased unique benefits.

TEMPLE OF BATTLE: +1 exp is too weak, I would never build them in vanilla EBII, removed cavalry exp bonus because doesn't make much sense for infantry based factions.
BATTLE TIER 3: HAPPINESS +2, +1 EXP
BATTLE TIER 4: HAPPINESS +2, +2 EXP
BATTLE TIER 5: HAPPINESS +3, +3 EXP

TEMPLE OF FARMING: I see this priests as really good at managing local economy, so increased farming level and reduced upkeep costs. Removed pop increase because it robs fertility temple of its uniqueness. Good for smaller and more isolated factions that need cash.
FARMING TIER 3: HAPPINESS +2, +1 FARM, 100 UPKEEP
FARMING TIER 4: HAPPINESS +2, +2 FARM, 100 UPKEEP
FARMING TIER 5: HAPPINESS +3, +3 FARM, 150 UPKEEP

TEMPLE OF FERTILITY: focused on pop growth
FERTILITY TIER 3: HAPPINESS +2, +1 POP GROWTH
FERTILITY TIER 4: HAPPINESS +2, +2 POP GROWTH
FERTILITY TIER 5: HAPPINESS +3, +3 POP GROWTH

TEMPLE OF FORGE: this is very tricky, because you put very different deities here, and what makes sense for one doesn't for others. In the end I just stole the construction time bonus from governor temples and put it here, rebalancing it to have a real effect on most buildings. It makes somewhat sense and make the temple worth of its price.
FORGE TIER 3: HAPPINESS +2, CONSTR TIME -20%
FORGE TIER 4: HAPPINESS +2, CONSTR TIME -25%, RETRAIN BONUS 1
FORGE TIER 5: HAPPINESS +3, CONSTR TIME -35%, RETRAIN BONUS 2

TEMPLE OF FUN: focused on, duh, fun. Big happiness bonus, good for troublesome regions.
FUN TIER 3: HAPPINESS +3
FUN TIER 4: HAPPINESS +4
FUN TIER 5: HAPPINESS +5

TEMPLE OF GOVERNORS: this temple reduce corruption and promotes trade, emphasizing the "lawgiver" aspect of divinity. Stern justice reduce happiness, though (PO net bonus at each tier is the same of most other temples anyway). Good for big sprawling factions.
GOVERNORS TIER 3: LAW +3, HAPPINESS -1
GOVERNORS TIER 4: LAW +4, HAPPINESS -2, REMOVED TRADE MALUS
GOVERNORS TIER 5: LAW +5, HAPPINESS -2, REMOVED TRADE MALUS

That's it, I hope it was worth of your reading time.

TL; DR: please make temples more balanced to each other at each tier, and make their bonuses more relevant.