Protests against Transantlantic trade treaty (TTIP) between EU-USA

**~~Basil II the B.S~~** · July 16, 2015, 10:53 AM

Lol, TTIP is not about free trade. Tariffs are almost nonexistant. TTIP is about nonsense like the ISDS. You made the wrong investment? Well, sue the government and get a refund.
That's the opposite of free market. It's rewarding bad choices and redistributing wealth from the poor to the rich.

**Heathen Hammer** · July 17, 2015, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S

Lol, TTIP is not about free trade. Tariffs are almost nonexistant. TTIP is about nonsense like the ISDS. You made the wrong investment? Well, sue the government and get a refund.
That's the opposite of free market. It's rewarding bad choices and redistributing wealth from the poor to the rich.

Indeed. NAFTA does horrible things to Canadian economy with

like Walmart ruining small local businesses. I assume TTIP will play the same result to European economy, if not worse.

**snuggans** · July 17, 2015, 11:21 AM

dont worry folks, the european landscape is already dotted with burger kings and mcdonalds. and they pay property fees and commerce taxes, and some people choose them for some reason even with a local bakery right next door. actually the fast food places adopt local foods and bring in even more customers, sometimes the european local foods make it back to the american market if they are popular enough. if there's a demand, it works, and both governments involved aren't actually being dense : )

just people here continuously failing to understand basic capitalism

**Akrotatos** · July 17, 2015, 12:05 PM

A company having the right to sue a government is basic capitalism?

**~~Basil II the B.S~~** · July 17, 2015, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Akrotatos

A company having the right to sue a government is basic capitalism?

Depends. The point of ISDS is that company can sue governments if they adopt politicies that might hurt their investments.
That's ridiculous.
Political risk is part of the risk you have to consider when making an investment. It's like American companies want to eliminate the risk in investing. That's hardly free market at all.

**Collateral_dmg** · July 17, 2015, 12:20 PM

https://stop-ttip.org/sign/ Can I just leave this here?

**IronBrig4** · July 19, 2015, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer

Indeed. NAFTA does horrible things to Canadian economy with

like Walmart ruining small local businesses. I assume TTIP will play the same result to European economy, if not worse.

I never thought I'd agree with HH on anything, but here we are.

The US doesn't support its workers, while its companies focus on savings for shareholders and customers rather than on employees. The EU doesn't need that kind of system within its borders.

**Heathen Hammer** · July 19, 2015, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by snuggans

dont worry folks, the european landscape is already dotted with burger kings and mcdonalds. and they pay property fees and commerce taxes, and some people choose them for some reason even with a local bakery right next door. actually the fast food places adopt local foods and bring in even more customers, sometimes the european local foods make it back to the american market if they are popular enough. if there's a demand, it works, and both governments involved aren't actually being dense : )

just people here continuously failing to understand basic capitalism

Except that it has nothing to do with capitalism.