[Ideas] Roman unit suggestion thread

[Sebidee]

Hi guys,

After the nomad mod will come the Romans! It will be the last standalone mod and afterwards I'll compile each of them into a single overhaul.

Please share your suggestions for Roman units in this thread.

[Drakeb22]

Well, for a start.


The Roman army was in a state of constant evolution throughout the era the game covers, having a sudden jump from Hastati to the legions doesn't really make alotta sense. I propose either having a "Late" Republic version of the three main types of infantry of the Roman Triplex Acies, or just having them become "Roman Infantry, Roman Heavy Infantry, and Roman Veterans(Spears). The only other notable gap in the roman ranks would have to be the Antesignani which, for the most part, were the evolution of the velites into the marian legions, serving as scouts and light infantry to protect the legions while marching and fighting. They could be represented by a "Early" Antesignani unit which would arrive with the "Late" Infantry to replace the velites, then later when the legions arrive there could be a more professional, better armored version as a upgrade. Some kind of late archer could also be represented as Sagittarii introduced after the Marian reforms.

The Roman army however, is known for its utilization of Auxiliary troops, and never really fought any major battles without them or various allied troops to cover the roles of light infantry, cavalry, and skirmisher support. While the game does provide a decent selection of Auxilia, I believe a recycled or slightly reskinned version of different troops from the other unit packs would be a fantastic addition for regional recruitment, with some kind of unit cap to keep the romans reliant on their own troops with regional troops serving in limited complicity. Some renaming would be required for some of the mentioned groups/units. (Auxilia location names pulled from this map http://www.honga.net/totalwar/rome2/...me&t=auxiliary )

Italian Auxilia
Sardinian Archers

Celtic Auxilia
Salyes Javelinmen
Insubrian Cavalry

Germanic Auxilia
Chaucii Spearmen
Batavian Axemen
Axe Riders

Gallic Auxilia
Veteran Spears
Shield Brothers

Illyirian Auxilia
Illyrian Archers
Illyrian Peltasts
Gallo-Illyrian Cavalry

Thracian/Dacian Auxilia
Pileati Cavalry
Tarabostes Bowmen

Iberian Auxilia
Saguntine Warriors
Cantabrian Nobles
Soliferrum Javelinmen

Hellenic Auxilia
Exiled Successor Pikemen
Macedonian Prodromoi
Archadian Spearmen

Asia Auxilia
Exiled Successor Pikemen
Phrygian Peltasts
Trallian Slingers

Egyptian Auxilia
Exiled Successor Pikemen
Ptolemaic Prodromoi

Arabian/Syrian Auxilia
Judean Theurophoroi

North African Auxilia
Mercenary Maure Infantry

[LeicsFox]

I would also add, perhaps having some of these auxiliary units available in custom battles would be useful

Other than this Roman units also seem slightly lacking in Naval power, the Roman Empire developed a very powerful navy over time with specialist marines, modeled on legionaries, as well as sailors and archers.
(also for the final compilation mod, can Illyrian Marines be made a mercenary unit, with a cherry on top)

[Drakeb22]

I would also add, perhaps having some of these auxiliary units available in custom battles would be useful

Other than this Roman units also seem slightly lacking in Naval power, the Roman Empire developed a very powerful navy over time with specialist marines, modeled on legionaries, as well as sailors and archers.
(also for the final compilation mod, can Illyrian Marines be made a mercenary unit, with a cherry on top)

Adding mercenary units requires Startpos editing unless their tied to a building, so I don't so that part happening. Having them as a Auxilia style unit would work however, and they could be tied to Seb's Auxilia for everyone pack. Also, seconded on some kind of Roman Marine.

[LeicsFox]

Adding mercenary units requires Startpos editing unless their tied to a building, so I don't so that part happening. Having them as a Auxilia style unit would work however, and they could be tied to Seb's Auxilia for everyone pack. Also, seconded on some kind of Roman Marine.

perhaps more than one type of marine (swords +shields, and bows)

[RexImperator]

I'd like to see the German Horse Guards as a general's unit for late Roman armies of shock cavalry.

Also, slave legionnaires, Volones for the early armies which can be upgraded into Cohortes Voluntariorum for later armies. They would be a middling legionnaire unit (Principes-ish level) but much cheaper to upkeep. Volones were armed with temple treasures as the state had no other reserve of weapons at the time, Cohortes Voluntariorum would have been much the same as other legionnaire units.

[Sebidee]

I'd like to see the German Horse Guards as a general's unit for late Roman armies of shock cavalry.

Also, slave legionnaires, Volones for the early armies which can be upgraded into Cohortes Voluntariorum for later armies. They would be a middling legionnaire unit (Principes-ish level) but much cheaper to upkeep. Volones were armed with temple treasures as the state had no other reserve of weapons at the time, Cohortes Voluntariorum would have been much the same as other legionnaire units.

I like that, they could be like light legionnaires and recruitable from the auxilla chain.

[Marcuss Crassus]

Hi Sebidee.
I would like to suggest a few units:
Regular
early triarii (military barracks 1) upgradeable to vet legionaires
antesignani (military barracks 2) upgradeable from velites or leves
heavy legionaries (military barracks 3) upgradeable to armoured legionaries
Auxiliaries
aux archers (aux barracks 3)
aux light cavalry (aux barracks 3) can throw javelin
aux heavy cavalry (shock cavalry) (aux barracks 3)
Garrison
Urban cohort (military barracks 4 of city 4) only garrison

I hope that some of these units will be added to the pack

[Drakeb22]

Could also draw some units for the early years from the Socii, notably some kind of italian spearmen or italio-hellenic hoplite since, although not common after the adaption of the maniple as the military standard, would still be around in the allied states in limited numbers. To prevent them from showing up later just have the spearmen upgrade to some kind of auxilla and the hoplites either be limited or upgrade to some heavier auxilla spearmen (Maybe a Italian flavored Auxilla unit with precursor jav's to set them apart from vanilla auxilla spears? Or some kind of shield wall?).

Also, a light, mobile auxilla made up of foreign troops with some skirmishing potential could be organized as Exploratores. Although it is noted that the allied scouts served in both a mounted and foot variety.

[Sebidee]

I like the Exploratores (even if they are ripped off from Attila )

Here's some other interesting stuff I found for similar units. Maube we could have a complete upgrade chain for Roman scouts:

• Cohors tumultuaria (from tumultus, "chaos"): irregular auxiliary unit.
• Cohors speculatorum: guard unit of Mark Antony composed of scouts.

Also if we are looking for An elite Auxilliary unit we also have these, could be a good excuse to give the Romans strong late game spear men:

• Cohors torquata: auxiliary unit granted a torques (military decoration).

One question guys, are you ready for Elite Roman Cavalry?

[LeicsFox]

My body is ready

[legend of rome ii]

you did an excellent job but when you get round to doing Rome after the nomads could you make for them elite legionary cohorts based on barebones wars with their first cohort, heavy legionary cohorts based on Augustus total war, two separate legionary cohorts with all mail armour in one unit and scale armour in the other unit, two units auxiliary infantry with spears and swords and italic legionary helmets, two units of auxiliary cavalry with roman cavalry helmets and armed with spears and spatha swords, a unit of elite auxiliary horse archers with italic helmets and composite bows if possible for your roman unit suggestion thread. please inform me if you want to accept this offer and include these proposed units in your future roman roster expansion. thank you

here's how to find the proposed units...

barebones is a Rome total war mod that has the elite legion that i described to you. you can download it on twcenter forums and you will find it inside the roman factions inside the mod. the legionary heavy cohort with no pilum can be found in Augustus total war in both of the roman factions. the auxiliary infantry described below can be based of Leonardo's imperial legions of Rome mod here in the workshop, the spatha sword equipped auxiliary cavalry can based from veteran cavalry from the mod Roma Invicta also on this workshop, the cavalry helmets can be based off the original meaning unmodded Rome 2, the cavalry horse archers can be based of mcshooterz Rome unit pack. The spear armed auxiliary infantry and cavalry can be based off Rome 2 mods or from the game itself. please inform me if you found these guidelines to tracing units helpful
links Augustus_Total_War_1.3.7z intw
barebones wars BareBonesWars_81_Full.exe filefront

[Drakeb22]

I like the Exploratores (even if they are ripped off from Attila )

Here's some other interesting stuff I found for similar units. Maube we could have a complete upgrade chain for Roman scouts:

• Cohors tumultuaria (from tumultus, "chaos"): irregular auxiliary unit.
• Cohors speculatorum: guard unit of Mark Antony composed of scouts.

Also if we are looking for An elite Auxilliary unit we also have these, could be a good excuse to give the Romans strong late game spear men:

• Cohors torquata: auxiliary unit granted a torques (military decoration).

A full upgrade chain for the scouts sounds fantastic. That way you can have the skirmishers (velites) scouts (irregulars) and infantry (legions) all have upgrade paths letting the roman army be a fighting force that just evolves over the course of the game. On that note, and I know judging by the workshop it's been done to death, you could have a socii archers > auxiliary archers >Sagittarii as well as adding a upgrade chain to the spear auxilia, maybe socii spearmen > vanilla auxilia > Somekind of Spear Cohors

[Gobo31]

First off, Sebidee, I'm a big fan and I created this account just so I could help give my input on your mods. Keep up the good work!
According to Polybius, the first roman cavalry were lightly armed and armored spear cavalry, so a pre-marian light cav, Equites celeres, would make sense.
Also, Shock cavalry was common throughout Rome's history, from lancer cavalry in the 2nd punic war to the later imitation cataphracts.
Foederati provided most of the cavalry force in the later years of the empire, so expanded auxiliary cav would be nice. For instance, a more melee competent light numidian cav, heavier Gaulish and German Taifali melee cav, and successor-esque shock cav from Greece and Syria. During the Principate, the elite cavalry in the empire were the Alae, a heavily armored spear and spatha cavalry.
The standard Roman Auxiliary cav historically used javelins, so an armored skirmisher cav makes sense.
I like and second the idea for an upgrade chain for scout and skirmisher units, and an upgrade on the standard velites would be interesting maybe. Perhaps a heavier armoured velites called Velites Parma after the shield they would've used.
A morale boosting standard bearer infantry unit would be useful and flavorful.
That's all I can think of for now, hope this gives you some ideas!

[Sebidee]

All great suggestions gobo, definitely going to use them for cavalry. A light pre-marian cavalry unit sounds good and some more diversity to the auxiliarries. I was going to add aux skirmisher cav and the Elite Alae before but the Celeres, Cataphracts and light aix cavalry will make it in as well I think Infantry ideas are good too!

What about an Eagle unit for a morale buffer?

[Drakeb22]

All great suggestions gobo, definitely going to use them for cavalry. A light pre-marian cavalry unit sounds good and some more diversity to the auxiliarries. I was going to add aux skirmisher cav and the Elite Alae before but the Celeres, Cataphracts and light aix cavalry will make it in as well I think Infantry ideas are good too!

What about an Eagle unit for a morale buffer?

How would we make it different from the Eagle Cohort?

[Sebidee]

How would we make it different from the Eagle Cohort?

I was thinking a small unit of really decked out soldiers with an extra shiny eagle. Morale and ability unit only, no real fighting strength.

[Drakeb22]

I was thinking a small unit of really decked out soldiers with an extra shiny eagle. Morale and ability unit only, no real fighting strength.

That'd be pretty cool, maybe make them a general choice to encourage that rally the troops from behind kind of responsibility.

[RexImperator]

Could be called the Imago or Imago Standard Bearers.

Imagos were standards made to look like the Emperor, so it was a political affiliation of the Legions to the Emperor (or a rival claimant in times of civil war). It also implied that the Emperor was watching the soldiers encouraging them to be brave and possibly receive promotions.

http://www.primaryhomeworkhelp.co.uk...rs/ceasecl.jpg

[legend of rome ii]

hey Sebidee
sorry to post this proposal again but I can't seem to delete my posts on thisthread
you did an excellent job but when you get round to doing Rome after the nomadscould you make for them elite legionary cohorts based on barebones wars withtheir first cohort, heavy legionary cohorts based on Augustus total war, twoseparate legionary cohorts with all mail armour in one unit and scale armour inthe other unit, two units of auxiliary infantry with one unit armed with spearsand the other unit armed with gladius swords and both units using the italiclegionary helmets, two units of auxiliary cavalry with roman cavalry helmetsand armed with one unit armed with spears and the other unit with spathaswords, a few unit of auxiliary cavalry miliaria with the equipment describedabove and a unit of auxiliary horse archers with cavalry helmets and compositebows if possible for your roman unit suggestion thread.
I also agree with reximperator that Imago Standard Bearers and Cornicen hornblowers and Draconarius cavalry standard bearers should be added to your romanoverhaul.

I don't wish to bother you but please inform me if you want to accept thisoffer and include these proposed units in your future roman rosterexpansion.thank you

here's how to find the proposed units...

barebones is a Rome total war mod that has the elite legion that i described toyou. you can download it on twcenter forums and you will find it inside theroman factions inside the mod. the legionary heavy cohort with no pilum can befound in Augustus total war in both of the roman factions. the auxiliaryinfantry described below can be based of Leonardo's imperial legions of Romemod here in the workshop, the spatha sword equipped auxiliary cavalry can basedfrom veteran cavalry from the mod Roma Invicta also on this workshop, thecavalry helmets can be based off the original meaning unmodded Rome 2, thecavalry horse archers can be based of mcshooterz Rome unit pack. The speararmed auxiliary infantry and cavalry can be based off Rome 2 mods or from thegame itself. the sword armed auxiliaries can also be based off Leonardo's imperiallegions of Rome mod. if you do not know what miliaria means look up divide etimperia's auxiliary overhaul.please inform me if you found these guidelines totracing units helpful
would you be able to delte my other posts please thank you
links Augustus_Total_War_1.3.7zintw
barebones wars BareBonesWars_81_Full.exefilefront
http://www.roman-empire.net/army/pics/imaginifer-01.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Draconarius_-_Roman_Cavalry_Reenactment_-_Roman_Festival_at_Augusta_Raurica_-_August_2013.JPG
http://www.erminestreetguard.co.uk/CORNICEN%20FULL.jpg