Total War: ATTILA - Celts Culture Pack Unit Spotlight!

[IlluminatiRex]

This thread is about the Celtic Culture pack and its units, it is not about what gender generals are, the gender of another user, or whether or not another user is in school.

[Godless Crom]

Ok, I see. So the Christian faith made them put their pants and shoes away to some extent?

Now to be fair, we do have evidence that shoes and pants were worn by the medieval Irish, archaeological and textual. The barefoot thing seems to have been a conscious sort of antiquitarianism among the Gaelic aristorcracy in the later middle ages, meant to recall the "heroic era" of Cuchulain, Fergus Mac Roich, and others. Pants are ambiguous, but seem to have been associated with either being lower-class, or being a mercenary, or perhaps both.

[♘Top Hat Zebra]

Ok, I see. So the Christian faith made them put their pants and shoes away to some extent?

Well, have you ever seen the Pope wearing pants?

Pantslessness is next to Popeliness.


Personally, I don't like the idea of this RP. I'll doubtless not buy it until a significant sale, and get all the DLC in a bundle.

I sure do hate DLC.

[geala]

Now to be fair, we do have evidence that shoes and pants were worn by the medieval Irish, archaeological and textual. The barefoot thing seems to have been a conscious sort of antiquitarianism among the Gaelic aristorcracy in the later middle ages, meant to recall the "heroic era" of Cuchulain, Fergus Mac Roich, and others. Pants are ambiguous, but seem to have been associated with either being lower-class, or being a mercenary, or perhaps both.

I know that there is evidence for pants and shoes with Irish and partly Picts. But there is also evidence that many went without. I'm sad that CA does not use the chance to get some diversity into the so far boring game when it is historically possible.

Concerning the "nostalgia" interpretation of going barefoot, are there trustworthy hints for it in literature or other texts? I read (in secondary literature, not the original) that the Rule of Ailbe of Emly directed that persons of respect should not go barefoot how ascetic they were (that to Christian influence). That seems to hint that going barefoot was more connected to the lower classes, that it was not uncommon and not well liked for higher society strata members. Perelhos on the other side hundreds of years later, maybe more or less the first foreign source not biased against the Irish (like Giraldus Cambrensis) clearly reports even members of the class that formed the armoured cavalry going barefoot and barelegged. What happened in between? In my opinion going barefoot in Scotland and Ireland is partly just a very practical habit. Leather soles and wet grass are very dangerous companions.

[caratacus]

You could also say, that nobles may have chosen not to wear shoes to appear less different than their subjects. We know that many Irish had bare feet until the end of the Nineteenth century. I think bare feet were very common until quite recently in the Gaelic speaking areas of Scotland and Ireland. This Elizabethan woodcut from 1570 "Drawn after the Quick" (means drawn from live subjects) quite clearly shows barefooted Irish warriors. If they were bare footed then, I doubt they were booted hundreds of years before! But perhaps a wish to appear as your heroic ancestor looked might have been a motivation.

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In a land largely devoid of roads and in a climate which was temperate with high precipitation, making the earth frequently muddy and wet. Leather shoes and pants wouldn't have been very practical to wear, as they would have been constantly muddy and saturated as @geala says. Given that a good pair of boots was expensive to buy, it was easier to do without if your income was low. However in colder climates in northern continental Europe, having your legs and feet covered was a protection from extreme cold.

I do note that none of these Celtic units are barefooted and where are the Pictish crossbowmen CA?

[Ireland]

Do any of you believe there might be an event in game when playing as the ebdani that a st. Patrick figure might appear and start converting or give the option of converting your state religion? Around the appropriate time of course.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

Do any of you believe there might be an event in game when playing as the ebdani that a st. Patrick figure might appear and start converting or give the option of converting your state religion? Around the appropriate time of course.

Only if it is random and can hit all faction.

"A strange man has being to convert "random religion" in your province of "one of your regions"."

[Ireland]

Does anyone have a clue what the ebdanian faction traits are? Other then the guerrilla deployment.

[Jokern]

Does anyone have a clue what the ebdanian faction traits are? Other then the guerrilla deployment.

From the Steam page:

"Ebdanians
Alongside the common Celtic traits for raiding, the Ebdanians also have talent for sacking and looting that combined gives them a unique playstyle and rivalled potential for profiting bloodily at their enemies' expense."

So my guess is that they get bonuses for sacking and looting settlements.

[hessia78]

shame that we won't be able to play as the britons

[caratacus]

shame that we won't be able to play as the britons

This mod enables you to pay as the Romano-Britons
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...21&searchtext=
and this one adds extra units;.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...chtext=britons
Haven't tried them myself yet.

[EireEmerald]

Why do the Irish have Gallowglasses? First of all the Irish never had gallowglasses unless they were mercenaries from the North or Scotland, secondly this is centuries before they ever appeared in Europe. Gallowglasses were medieval.