[WIP] Supremacy Total War (Alternate History/Fantasy Mod)

**TomatoesYay** · March 11, 2015, 06:57 PM

The Supremacy Mod! The above is also a banner if you wanna use it.

Quick description of what the heck this is:

The Supremacy Mod is a fantasy mod, with factions mirroring real-world cultures. All units, buildings, models, etc. will be smooshed together into a single faction the way I see fit, of course in a none-offensive and creative way!

In depth description of the mod:

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Originally I wanted to create a global mod, situated somewhere around the 1200's AD which would stretch from the Americas to East Asia. However, that was quickly shot down after a few factors. The first being the hardcoded limits that haven't been lifted yet (shout out to the memory editors out there that are working on getting rid of it), so I could only have 7 cultures, which is definitely not enough to represent the whole world. The second factor is that a lot of other mods have already done this. Then I decided to do a mod on the Imjin Wars, or something on East Asia. Then I found out a lot of Chinese people have already done those mod in a much better way than I ever could. I also remembered how I performed an epic-fail on my first attempts on modding the game a few years ago, not even passing through the thresholds of modding the world. So I got quite bummed out and played some Westeros Total War, which somehow magically inspired me to just ditch my historical restrictions and create a fantasy mod instead! Then I had another dilemma. How should I make this fun? I know that the point of Total War is obviously war, but I have always been that guy that never really finished the campaign. I've always had shorter goals like united an island and then just standing there with nothing to do because I was already strong enough. Then I've decided that I should create 7 different victory conditions that suit the cultures of the factions! And the "short" and "long" victory conditions would be that one will be a special victory condition, while the other will be a classical M2TW victory condition. That should satisfy all audiences, right?
Lastly, I also know how offensive this may be to some people, grouping their cultures with others that some might not like. That's why I created a thread asking for opinions and I've received 100% positive opinions (sorry lizards) on this thread here: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?683863-Would-this-be-offensive&p=14414566#post14414566! So I vow to keep this as creative and non offensive and as fun as possible!

Quick Warning: I will also be using some terminology that do not necessarily mean what they are in their real world counterparts. For example, I am going to use the word "Shogun" instead of the proper "Emperor" as the leader of the East Asian faction, only because of one reason: it sounds awesome and more unique than a generic "Emperor". I really hope this is OK with everyone. I have done similar things with words like Tlatoani and Shah and Sultan. So please keep this in mind!

The Factions:

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The Map:

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Credits:

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Final Notes:

Despite being such an alternative history/fantasy mod, I am actually going to have to do a ton of research to incorporate as many cultural awesomeness as I can into each faction! And also I'm trying to make things as unique as possible, such as having different types of navy ships and unique units (except for some generic peasant units lol). For example, ships for the Moku Empire won't have any frigates or triremes, but turtle ships and junk ships and bunes! I've said this on my previous thread before: "Because I'm East Asian, and I've studied a lot of East Asian stuff, I know how to make it so that a faction based off of East Asia would be non-offensive and unique. But I'm definitely not a genius, and I don't know too much about other cultures other than European, East Asian, and some Indian." I need help from other people of different backgrounds. Like languages, your second language will never be as good as your native language, and same here with knowledge. I can find the littlest details of East Asian cultures to make it cool, but I probably won't be able to find even a ship from Africa. That's why if you guys have any suggestions, even if your native culture is the same as mine, I am open to everything. Please do help! ^_^

**TomatoesYay** · March 15, 2015, 10:20 PM

Screenshots:

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**Gebilde** · March 16, 2015, 07:46 AM

Woha good job so far, Reminds me a bit on the Thera mod.
When did you beginn building the Mod?

**Roman Heritage** · March 16, 2015, 10:37 AM

Ok, here you've got your Atlantean councillor!

Anyway, I like the map. Looks like a map I made of old for a roleplay game with my friends. Are you planning on going for the 199 settlements? That's perhaps where you'd need most help. 199 names are quite hard to invent from scratch :/

**TomatoesYay** · March 16, 2015, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Gebilde

Woha good job so far, Reminds me a bit on the Thera mod.
When did you beginn building the Mod?

Hiya! Thanks for the praise! I started modding a few days ago. :3

**TomatoesYay** · March 16, 2015, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Roman Heritage

Ok, here you've got your Atlantean councillor!

Anyway, I like the map. Looks like a map I made of old for a roleplay game with my friends. Are you planning on going for the 199 settlements? That's perhaps where you'd need most help. 199 names are quite hard to invent from scratch :/

Ah yes I will be trying to add as many settlements as possible! And yes I definitely need help haha, so far I've only taken names that are either mythological or very old city names that no longer exist or are not fresh in our minds.

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Update: I also reached out to a few mod creators requesting permission to use their models. If they agree then this mod will be on fai-yaaah!!! (Fire)

I also just bought Rome Total War so I'll be working on importing those units soon!

Lastly I also did some research on african maritime history and dang this is so hard to do lol, also I downloaded a whole bunch of Indian paintings, and thanks to my hindu mythology class, those of you that know about the ramayana and the Mahabharata might get a good laugh from the art choices :3

Update 2: New screenshot! I downloaded Aura's Byzantium City Strat Models and they're AMAZING!

**TomatoesYay** · March 16, 2015, 10:35 PM

Sometimes I just can't find the right art on Google for some of the event pictures, so I have to make my own. This is my very first one I made for the Deva Empire faction! This is the picture that's going to show up when The Devas learn of a faction that has been destroyed:

**TomatoesYay** · March 18, 2015, 02:51 AM

New Screenshots! I spent all day today creating new event pics (the pictures that show up when you get a mission, kill a general, etc.) for each culture, and so far I've finished 98% on the MOku and Atlanteans, 100 % on the desert and alfheim (because they're already done by the game, I might tweak a bit of stuff here and there though), and 30% on the deva, and 0% on the rest.

I'm also going to be using different portraits for all cultures. One pet peeve of mine with other mods is that they didn't have any models for other cultures, so this is the first thing I did haha. Also they'll have different strat map models. I've recently imported lots of Rome Total War stuff into the Atlantean Republic. I'm also using Rome 2 Total War concept art (even though the game is crappy the artwork is amazing)

**CavalryCmdr** · March 19, 2015, 06:46 AM

Cool art work, I like the "painting effect" on them, you should look for some decent tapestry pics for the northern European factions.

**Roman Heritage** · March 19, 2015, 10:28 AM

That "Nymeria" is so much "ASongofIceandFire"ish xD I agree with Cmdr, for the Kingdom of Alfheim tapestries could be a good artwork choice.

May I suggest some "Atlantean" names?

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**TomatoesYay** · March 19, 2015, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by CavalryCmdr

Cool art work, I like the "painting effect" on them, you should look for some decent tapestry pics for the northern European factions.

Thank you very much!! I'll look into the tapestry pictures!! At first I was going to leave them as the vanilla M2TW was but then decided against it. However I might do North Europe and the Desert Region people's eventpics last mostly because they already have a complete set, that way I can churn out the alpha version of this mod much quicker

))) oh! and if you ever have any tapestry recommendations I'm all ears!

Originally Posted by Roman Heritage

That "Nymeria" is so much "ASongofIceandFire"ish xD I agree with Cmdr, for the Kingdom of Alfheim tapestries could be a good artwork choice.

May I suggest some "Atlantean" names?

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Yay!! Thanks so much for the names! And Nymeria came up to my mind as soon as I was about to type in a name, and then I was like "wait is this from Asongoficeandfire? And then I tried to find out if Nymeria were an actual name and turns out GRR Martin made it up but it was too cool to pass off so I kept Nymeria hahaha grr martin dont sue me pls

I like all of the names you put up! I'll be working on it today to get it all in. I'll also update the thread today with background stories of each faction and also a larger world map of the provinces!!

I'm gonna work overtime today on this. Thank God for spring break lol

**TomatoesYay** · March 19, 2015, 11:18 AM

Made an icon to go with it! x3

**UndrState** · March 19, 2015, 02:30 PM

Good for you. I look forward for this

**TomatoesYay** · March 19, 2015, 02:42 PM

Thanks UndrState! I'll try my best to make it enjoyable xD I'm probably gonna release Alpha very quickly so that I know what to actually work on in terms of gameplay, as of now I'm just getting everything to be "unique" from each other so that no single culture are the same

**Warcrafthero** · March 19, 2015, 03:31 PM

Nice idea! good luck with your project

What about religions?.

**TomatoesYay** · March 19, 2015, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Warcrafthero

Nice idea! good luck with your project

What about religions?.

Thank you very much!! ^o^ I tried to make up religion names but failed to do so, and I am aiming for fictional religions. So far the only "fictional" ones I came up with is Teotl and Hellenism, and that's only because those religions did not have a name to start out with haha. The rest is just Christianity, Islam, Daoism, Voodoo, and Hinduism for now, just as a placeholder. If anyone has suggestions for fictional religious names, I'm all ears!

Or if you think that I should stick with real religious names, that's fine too!

UPDATE: I'm really stuck on what I should use for the Kingdom of Simba portraits D: Using too realistic pictures would probably not fit but at the same time using very African painting-styled portraits might not fit either...

And the link for someone's resource of African portraits are down too Q_Q

UPDATE 2: Not much done today mostly cause I spent the whole time trying to unpack the Teutonic and Britannia DLCs, I finally figured it out but it took forever :/ Hopefully I'll do more tomorrow after class!

**Roman Heritage** · March 20, 2015, 12:38 PM

Perhaps, for the Simba Kingdom's military scrolls, you might search for depictions of zulu warriors and stuff. They're pretty often depicted in a "triumph dancing" pose and with their traditional weapons, perhaps it could serve fine the purpose?

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The above, however, might be copyrighted, so I don't know if you can use it xD just to show what I meant.

Anyway, I hope you'll be using a variation of the Teutonic Knights' awesome winged helmets for Alfheim's elites, perhaps with Novgorod's scale armour

These would be awesome together, I'd guess.

Glad to know I might be of some help

If you need any help, expecially on the Atlanteans' culture and history, let me know

**TomatoesYay** · March 20, 2015, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Roman Heritage

Perhaps, for the Simba Kingdom's military scrolls, you might search for depictions of zulu warriors and stuff. They're pretty often depicted in a "triumph dancing" pose and with their traditional weapons, perhaps it could serve fine the purpose?

The above, however, might be copyrighted, so I don't know if you can use it xD just to show what I meant.

Anyway, I hope you'll be using a variation of the Teutonic Knights' awesome winged helmets for Alfheim's elites, perhaps with Novgorod's scale armour

These would be awesome together, I'd guess.

Glad to know I might be of some help

If you need any help, expecially on the Atlanteans' culture and history, let me know

Thank you very much! And yeah I'm definitely going to use the Teutonic Knights! The only reason I spent a whole day on unpacking the teutonic pack is because those knights would be the maker or the breaker of the alfheim kingdom hahaha

Also I think I'm going to go with a somewhat different approach to Alfheim than I originally intended to... We'll see how it goes after I'm done the Atlantean faction

Oh and thanks for the Zulu suggestion!! I'll just have to go through a whole buncha paintings haha but no biggie it'll be fun for me

Oh and... HELL YEAH I finally got the cape & helmet thing transferred over!! I'm so happy I could kiss an elephant right now

**TomatoesYay** · March 20, 2015, 03:31 PM

Now I have another problem... I'm not sure whether or not I should use the red forts from the Teutons for the Alfheim or keep using the regular castles.. because both of them look awesome. I'm trying to research if what the "faction_variant" folder means, and if it means another faction with the same culture can have another variance of buildings, then the kingdom of Alfheim will be split into 2 factions!

But at the moment, I'm still thinking of keeping the faction as 1 faction, but you would be able to get to choose who becomes the heir for the Alfheim kingdom, and the Alfheim family tree will consists of heirs from each houses, representing a different culture of Europe. And then you can just basically change the whole capital and the heir so that can kinda be the "high king" selection thingy.

UPDATE: Ugh these stupid .cas files are the worse thing to ever exist.. next to the stupid granny models that Age of Empires used... >

There are like absolutely nothing I can do to open, view, import, nor export anything even remotely related to these files. All the things KnightErrant made would not work for me, and no matter how many google searches I do none of their solutions work for me either. I really would like to just work on this mod without these stupid problems taking up the whole day aarggghh /rant

But seriously though I'm severely limited if I can't get these stupid .cas files to open raawwwwrrrrr

**Roman Heritage** · March 20, 2015, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by TomatoesYay

Now I have another problem... I'm not sure whether or not I should use the red forts from the Teutons for the Alfheim or keep using the regular castles.. because both of them look awesome. I'm trying to research if what the "faction_variant" folder means, and if it means another faction with the same culture can have another variance of buildings, then the kingdom of Alfheim will be split into 2 factions!

But at the moment, I'm still thinking of keeping the faction as 1 faction, but you would be able to get to choose who becomes the heir for the Alfheim kingdom, and the Alfheim family tree will consists of heirs from each houses, representing a different culture of Europe. And then you can just basically change the whole capital and the heir so that can kinda be the "high king" selection thingy.

Wait, I'm pretty much sure that if you use Vanilla Med II "North-European" castles, you should be able to use Teutonic red castles too, since the cultural ownership should be the same (Teutons are classed as North-European in their campaign, too, so...). I think there should be a chance of having both of them as possibilities on map. Anyway, If it wasn't possible, I'd use the Red ones, they're cool, unique and they should fit the faction

As for the Alfheim Kingdom, I like your idea. Are you going to implement such a feature in a similar way to "Next Heir Ancillary" submod in SS?
Anyway, this setup could also give the faction a certain unique flavour, and historical background. Let's say, "The Alfheim Kingdom was forged after centuries of conflicts between the sovereign dinasties of ........, ........ and ......, when, in the year ........, nearby the city of ......., the dinasties of ........ and ....... accepted, in a certain measure, the sovereign of the House of ....... Since then, Alfheim has been an independent, fierce and multiform State, in which powers are shared and held by the three houses, which have retained their original Kingship titles, with the House of ........ being the most prominent, as House of the High King. Since then, the rulers of House ...... have led Alfheim to great successes over their neighbours, defeating and incorporating the nearby kingdom of ......., launching attempts of colonization the shores of ......., and often warrying against their powerful souther/nouthern/western/eastern neighbour, the .............
Yet, despite House ..........'s successes, the other Houses secretly still remember the times when they were independent, and perhaps only wait for an occasion to strike, an occasion which could soon incur. Current ruler, High King .......... ...., has in fact proved in his youth to be a skilled warrior, a capable ruler and a wise diplomat, yet he is now approaching the winter of his life, with no direct heir but, after the death of his firstborn son, of his nephews. Whether the other Houses will retain their alledgiance to the Throne, fight for gaining control of it, or try to free themselves of the yoke of House ......., it is far to be a certain thing..."

Following this line, however, you could also split it in three factions, perhaps under control of the High House, represented as a one-city power, in a similar way to the Romans and Senate in Rome Total War. Being you the modder, you could decide which ones are the necessary conditions for the "coup d'etat", and decide whether it would happen sooner, or later, perhaps with a scripted event.

Hope it helps, it has been interesting writing it down

Also, will you use the original Byzantine name pool for the Atlanteans?

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