Why has Rome no siege weapons in 139 BC

**Mr. J** · February 14, 2015, 03:42 AM

Can anyone tell me why I can't recruit siege weapons in BC 139 playing as the Romans?

I have huge cities in Italy and I have build all the barracks and academy.

Is the siege weapons tied to a reform?

I have fought against siege weapons in a battles against either Macedonia, Karthadast or Epirus.
I can't remember which nation, as I at the time were being attacked by all the neighbouring nations and it got a little hectic.

**Ryoga84** · February 14, 2015, 09:18 AM

Romans can't build siege weapons (as ballistae, catapults and the like) until the polybian reform. With the Polybian reform, you can build them with city barracks.
I suppose this should mimic the technological improvement the Romans get from submitting the Magna Graecia (as the Greeks were more techologically advanced).

**Mr. J** · February 15, 2015, 01:38 AM

Thank you for your reply.

The Polybian reforms has occurred many turns ago and I have upgraded all the barracks and still I can't recruit the siege weapons.

Could it be the The Marian reforms instead of the Polybian?

**Ryoga84** · February 15, 2015, 07:24 AM

uhm...
this is the standard recruitment register for polybian city barracks

Code:

        city_barracks_A2 requires factions { seleucid, } and building_present_min_level government gov1 and building_present_min_level hinterland_reforms1 romani2 and not building_present_min_level hinterland_reforms1 romani3
        {
            capability
            {
                recruit "roman missile accensi" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman missile accensi" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman missile accensi" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman missile accensi" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman missile accensi" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman missile accensi" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman missile accensi" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman missile accensi" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman missile accensi" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman missile accensi" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "italic cavalry campanian" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "italic cavalry campanian" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "italic cavalry campanian" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman infantry hastati" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman infantry hastati" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman infantry hastati" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman infantry hastati" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman infantry hastati" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman infantry hastati" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman infantry hastati" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman infantry hastati" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman infantry hastati" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman infantry hastati" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman infantry principes" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman infantry principes" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman infantry principes" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman infantry principes" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman infantry principes" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman infantry principes" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman infantry principes" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman infantry principes" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman infantry principes" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman infantry principes" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "samnite infantry spearmen" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "samnite infantry spearmen" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "samnite infantry spearmen" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "generic siege 30mina" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource C and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "generic siege 30mina" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource EA and hidden_resource E and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "generic siege 30mina" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource C and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "generic siege 30mina" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource NW and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "generic siege 30mina" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource EA and hidden_resource E and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "generic siege 30mina" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource D and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "generic siege 30mina" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource D and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "generic siege 30mina" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource C and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "generic siege 30mina" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource D and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "generic siege 30mina" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource EA and hidden_resource C and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "generic siege 30mina" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource C and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "generic siege 30mina" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman infantry polybian triarii" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman infantry polybian triarii" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman infantry polybian triarii" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman infantry polybian triarii" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman infantry polybian triarii" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman infantry polybian triarii" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman infantry polybian triarii" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman infantry polybian triarii" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman infantry polybian triarii" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman infantry polybian triarii" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "generic siege 3span" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource C and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "generic siege 3span" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource EA and hidden_resource E and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "generic siege 3span" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource C and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "generic siege 3span" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource NW and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "generic siege 3span" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource EA and hidden_resource E and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "generic siege 3span" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource D and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "generic siege 3span" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource D and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "generic siege 3span" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource C and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "generic siege 3span" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource D and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "generic siege 3span" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource EA and hidden_resource C and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "generic siege 3span" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource C and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "generic siege 3span" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman skirmisher velites" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman skirmisher velites" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman skirmisher velites" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman skirmisher velites" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman skirmisher velites" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman skirmisher velites" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
                recruit "roman skirmisher velites" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman skirmisher velites" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman skirmisher velites" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8
                recruit "roman skirmisher velites" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource SW and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource n8
            }

in bold the basic siege machines, the requirements corresponds to the regions of Attike, Delta Neilou, Epeiros, Greseoallra, Heptanomis, Lydia, Mysia, Peloponnesos, Rhodos, Syria, Thessalia, Trinakrie

all greek regions, so, if you want siege machines, you need at least Syracuse or Massalia

(by the way, all this is in the Recruitment Viewer)

**Mr. J** · February 15, 2015, 11:23 AM

The code in my "export_descr_buildings" file is identical with your post.

I have control of Syracuse and Massalia with a type 2 government and all barracks build. Both are huge cities.

I will just have to do without them and continue to siege the cities for one turn and then assault them to expand my empire.

Thank you for your efforts.