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Thread: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - last update: 26. December 2016

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    Default Re: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - open - last update 19. February 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by alQamar View Post
    first of all thanks for this excellent example of how I expected the posts here well screenshots aren't needed.

    If you have the time it would be cool to know how the performance is with SLI / SLI off and also on other presets. So you would need a maximum of 8 runs for the benchmark to share us an excellent example !


    RPG's post is like I would like to have it. Clean and easy, so I can directly use it for the original post. It would be cool if all people that have posted here already, or posted in Dr. Freuds earlier thread that got merged, could actually follow this example.

    The more presets you can be bothered to test, the better our variety of results and actually also the quality and reliability of the figures.
    I'll run more detailed tests when I get off work, but I don't think it's reflective of what my rig should be running. My results should be closer to Freud's than they are currently.

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    Default Re: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - open - last update 19. February 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by SPARTAN VI View Post
    I'll run more detailed tests when I get off work, but I don't think it's reflective of what my rig should be running. My results should be closer to Freud's than they are currently.
    What are your complete specs? (CPU, GPU, RAM, SSD/HDD...)?

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    Default Re: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - open - last update 19. February 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Freud View Post
    What are your complete specs? (CPU, GPU, RAM, SSD/HDD...)?
    CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K @ 4.4GHz
    CPU Cooler: Antec Kuhler H2O 620 Liquid CPU Cooler
    Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard
    Memory: Corsair XMS 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 CL11
    Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" SSD
    Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
    Video Card: PNY XLR8 GeForce GTX 770 2GB (SLI)
    Video Card: PNY XLR8 GeForce GTX 770 2GB (SLI)
    Case: Antec P280 ATX Mid Tower Case
    Power Supply: Corsair CX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply

    Same nvidia driver as you.
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    Default Re: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - open - last update 19. February 2014

    Specs:
    3770k
    32gig ram gskill something or other
    samsung 840 pro
    2 evga gtx titan superclocked
    windows 7 64b

    uploaded cpu-z to pastebin
    http://pastebin.com/4PC6MBDR

    Settings:
    Extreme Preset

    FPS:
    1st Time
    Max 49
    Average 26.3
    Min 19

    2nd Time (still at extreme)
    Max 50
    Average 40.7
    Min 31

    WAT??? Maybe to do with how hot my cards are running? Hotter = more performance after all for titans IIRC .. idk.. Or maybe benchmark giving strange results as others have mentioned. Oh , I realized I was running another game in the background which I forgot about. That's probably why.
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    Default Re: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - open - last update 19. February 2014

    Gonna start off with just a single GTX 770 since SLI doesn't appear to be working correctly.

    Intel i5 3570K, @4.4 GHz, 16 GB RAM 1600 MHz CL 11-11-11-30 GTX 770 2GB, Windows 7 Home 64bit, Resolution 1920x1080

    extreme quality:
    min FPS: 13
    avg FPS: 19.7
    max FPS: 24

    maximum quality:
    min FPS: 21
    avg FPS: 28.2
    max FPS: 36

    quality:
    min FPS: 33
    avg FPS: 42.5
    max FPS: 54

    performance:
    min FPS: 44
    avg FPS: 58.2
    max FPS: 69

    maximum performance:
    min FPS: 66
    avg FPS: 96.4
    max FPS: 121

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    Default Re: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - open - last update 19. February 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by SPARTAN VI View Post
    CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K @ 4.4GHz
    CPU Cooler: Antec Kuhler H2O 620 Liquid CPU Cooler
    Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard
    Memory: Corsair XMS 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 CL11
    Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" SSD
    Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
    Video Card: PNY XLR8 GeForce GTX 770 2GB (SLI)
    Video Card: PNY XLR8 GeForce GTX 770 2GB (SLI)
    Case: Antec P280 ATX Mid Tower Case
    Power Supply: Corsair CX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply

    Same nvidia driver as you.
    CPU is slower + it has less cache, and RAM is slower. + many people report that SLI isn't working for them. In my case I tried both - SLI On and Off - and I can say that SLI for me is working perfectly. Almost double performance when On. You should check your Nvidia control panel, maybe it hasn't recognized Attila so profile wasn't applied.

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    Default Re: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - open - last update 19. February 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Freud View Post
    CPU is slower + it has less cache, and RAM is slower. + many people report that SLI isn't working for them. In my case I tried both - SLI On and Off - and I can say that SLI for me is working perfectly. Almost double performance when On. You should check your Nvidia control panel, maybe it hasn't recognized Attila so profile wasn't applied.
    The biggest determinant would be the CPU, but it doesn't explain why there's a 10% perfromance degredation at the "quality" preset when SLI is on. I should be seeing closer to a 65-75% increase as you are. RAM speeds have been shown to have little to no impact in gaming performance.


    What I've tried so far:

    • Uninstall, reinstall nvidia driver (clean).
    • Switch GPU placement on mobo.
    • Switch SLI bridge placement on GPUs.
    • Enable "performance" perference for GPU's 3D settings in nvidia control panel.
    • Mobo BIOS update.
    • Ran each GPU individually, both run identically.
    • Switch PhysX processing to CPU.
    • Tried alternate frame rending 1 and 2 (SLI option).
    • Uninstall/reinstalling Attila TW (in progress).


    Things I still want to try:
    • Remove SLI bridge.
    • Try a different SLI bridge.
    • Flash GPU BIOS versions to match each other.
    • Get rid of GTX 770s...

    So far SLI has been working as expected in other applications and yields results consistent with other GTX 680/770 users in synthetic benchmarks (e.g. Unigine Valley/Heaven).
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    Default Re: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - open - last update 19. February 2014

    Really strange SLI behavior. Do u have Geforce Experience installed? if yes - check for updates there. Maybe it'll download needed profile. I have it installed and Attila is recognized there.

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    Default Re: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - open - last update 19. February 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Freud View Post
    Really strange SLI behavior. Do u have Geforce Experience installed? if yes - check for updates there. Maybe it'll download needed profile. I have it installed and Attila is recognized there.
    I do have GeForce Experience loaded, but I don't pay it much attention; I'm usually working out of the nvidia control panel. I'll take a look at the GFE profiles though and see if anything stands out.

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    Default Re: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - open - last update 19. February 2014

    Hi guys I've finished the Overclocking comparison, it is below the hyperthreading and multicore figures.

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post14360604

    So far the CPU clock literally means nothing when above 3.8 GHz, but interestingly enough on low CPU speed, the game boosts up, so runs faster than expected. This is very likely the case because the benchmark is not CPU intensive at all. I still wish they had made the a CPU bench like in Shogun 2, in addition to the GPU heavy benchmark it is in Attila.
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    Default Re: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - open - last update 19. February 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by alQamar View Post
    So far the CPU clock literally means nothing when above 3.8 GHz,
    That's most likely because your GPU is limiting the CPU.

    If not limited by other PC components or some kind of framerate limiter in the software, a faster CPU will always give more FPS.

    You can also see in the ComputerBase review that their CPU scales very well above your numbers with the same quality preset. But they use much faster GPUs.

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    Default Re: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - open - last update 19. February 2014

    CPU:Intel i7 3770 @3,40 GHz 3,90 Ghz(turbo enabled) GPU: GTX 970 OC 4GB DDR5 MSI
    RAM:8 GB RAM 1600 Mhz CL9 OS: Windows 8.1 pro 64bit,Resolution: 1920x1080p
    Driver: 347.52
    extreme quality (needs 3-4 GB VRAM) -> Despite having 4 GB of VRAM Attila considers that I only have 3 GB of them
    min FPS: 21
    avg FPS: 31
    max FPS: 39

    maximum quality: (the recommended by the game is this one):
    min FPS: 33
    avg FPS: 40,8
    max FPS: 51

    quality:
    min FPS: 41
    avg FPS: 50,7
    max FPS: 68

    performance:
    min FPS: 56
    avg FPS: 69,9
    max FPS: 83

    maximum performance:
    min FPS: 89
    avg FPS: 116,9
    max FPS: 164

    CPU-Z logfile:https://mega.co.nz/#!HJVFTahQ!CPR5Cv...KdgzpKqkhNSWQA
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    Default Re: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - open - last update 19. February 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Freud View Post
    My results:
    Specs:
    i7 5930k @ 4.5GHz
    16gb ram 2666 CL 13-14-14-39
    GTX 680 SLI 2gb Vram
    Windows 8.1 64bit
    Resolution: 1920x1080

    quality:
    min FPS - 64
    average FPS - 70
    max FPS - 88
    What a shame, why don't you play on MAX Quality with that power? You can easily achieve a steady 40FPS there, at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymous_joe View Post
    Having the same issue with an 870M. It's not being detected and performance is pretty dreadful.
    Yeah, have a buddy with a similar issue. Now the min system requirements don't mention Laptops, the "Optimus" switch or whatever they call it nowadays is really something that refuses to work ever so often. Try to install Nvidia's new 347.52 if that's possible on the Laptop. If it doesn't work, tough luck mate. As we know CA, they keep optimizing, and as always, Laptops are going to get it too one day. Not even as the last ones, the last are MAC users, if any at all and ever

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    Default Re: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - open - last update 19. February 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Ritterlichvon86 View Post
    What a shame, why don't you play on MAX Quality with that power? You can easily achieve a steady 40FPS there, at least.
    I play on mix of Quality and Max Quality. But I'm Vram limited + I like to play with increased unit sizes (1,25 1,5 2) so I have to balance performance and quality

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    Default Re: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - open - last update 19. February 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by A Barbarian View Post
    That's most likely because your GPU is limiting the CPU.

    If not limited by other PC components or some kind of framerate limiter in the software, a faster CPU will always give more FPS.

    You can also see in the ComputerBase review that their CPU scales very well above your numbers with the same quality preset. But they use much faster GPUs.
    Do you really think my GPU is limiting my CPU on lower presets like quality / performance or extreme performance, Barbarian?

    When you see the 4770K scores, then you got an OC of +25,7% from 3.8 to 4.4 GHz, while the framerate gains about 10-12%. Just for my computer there no difference regardless the settings and CPU speed.
    I have no explaination for that behaviour. GPU limitation on such low settings would be really an exceptional excuse.

    Can anyone repeat the Overclocking / underclocking this on his own rig aswell? So far I miss to see your results at all Barbarian, haven't you bought Attila?
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    Default Re: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - open - last update 19. February 2014

    To me it looks like CA unloaded CPUs as much as possible and now the game really requires very good GPUs and, what surprises me the most, A LOT of Vram! I just finished a siege battle where I had 2 full stacks with unit multiplier set to 1.5(which means infantry unit had 240 men in it) and the enemy had about 20 units(garrison+reinforcements). FPS dropped to 20's in the beginning and I started to tweak graphics settings. I noticed that even switching off DOF alone gave me about 8 fps! Long story short - guess what gave me about 20 more fps? Changing texture quality from ultra to large! I have never seen such reaction to switching textures to lower sizes in any game. Usually game would just stutter from time to time when there's not enough Vram - but it wouldn't affect fps. Now I have to admit that CA wasn't lying about "you'll need next gen GPU to run Max Quality".
    Also it seems that unlimited Vram should be unchecked at all times, unless you have super GPU setup(SLI or Crossfire or single next gen) with at least 4 gigs of Vram.
    I tried turning Unlimited Vram off in the battle I mentioned above. It switched off screen space reflections, set Shadows to performance, set Terrain Quality to quality and set textures to Large. I got 50 fps average in such a large siege battle. Then I checked the log and it says that I had ~500mb Over Budget.

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    Default Re: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - open - last update 19. February 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by alQamar View Post
    Do you really think my GPU is limiting my CPU on lower presets like quality / performance or extreme performance, Barbarian?
    Sure, that's the most logical explanation. Or what else would prevent the game from running faster if you raise the CPU speed considerably? Only the RAM would be another (but unlikely) possibility. Faster CPU -> faster execution of program code -> higher framerate (if the graphics card can render the graphical part fast enough).

    Quote Originally Posted by alQamar View Post
    GPU limitation on such low settings would be really an exceptional excuse.
    Why shouldn't 63 fps (performance) or 99 fps (high performance) be the limit of a GTX 670 in Attila? I don't think that these numbers are unreasonable.


    Ok, I did a quick test with Maximum Quality Preset @ 1080:
    1) 4770K@4.2Ghz + 1x7970: 33 fps avg, 100% GPU utilization
    2) 4770K@4.2Ghz + 2x7970: 50 fps avg, 2 x 75% GPU utilization (=150% of 1 GPU)

    That shows exactly that the 4770K@4.2Ghz was limited by the single 7970 (@1100Mhz) for the Maximum Quality preset.

    Also, alQamar, you can just lower your screen resolution to reduce the GPU load. Then check whether the scaling still stops @ 3.8Ghz.
    Last edited by A Barbarian; February 21, 2015 at 01:35 PM.

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    Default Re: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - open - last update 19. February 2014

    Intel I7 4790K, @4.0GHz, 8 GB RAM 1600 MHz CL 10-10-10-30, MSI GTX 770, Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit, Resolution 1920x1080p

    CPU-Z file: CPU-Z.txt

    Results:
    http://youtu.be/GoS-_Je8fpo?list=UU0...oE67atrFKZZM9g

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    Default Re: TWC Total War Attila benchmark thread - open - last update 19. February 2014

    @Praetorian_spqr
    Actually, your settings are being downgraded automatically because your card only has 2GB of VRAM. At 0:37 in your video u can see that message popping up in the loading screen.
    I think u have to check 'unlimited video ram' to avoid downgrading.

    If u go to the %APPDATA%\The Creative Assembly\Attila\logs folder in Windows explorer u can check the gfx.log.txt file to see which settings were downgraded exactly.
    Last edited by A Barbarian; February 21, 2015 at 05:06 PM.

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