In death all are equal, just ask this atheist.

[fkizz]

Zimmerman's let off is not of any consequence. Whether he was cleared or not, the result would have been the same, someone killed over a misjudgement. A world without armed busibodies is undoubtably a safer one.

Hm.. then the ones left holding the guns would be the ones who refuse the law, ie. the criminals, who now have a sheep hunting fest on the disarmed civilians. Not to speak of black markets, like in USA alcohol ban before the first New Deal with Roosevelt.

The whole gun debate thing is messy and depends on country culture and situation. I don't think a world consensus exists, in some countries gun ownership makes sense, in others it doesn't. That's how I see it.

[Winston Smith]

On a personal level, I am opposed to the existence of things like the Hijab. However, despite that, and despite my avowed atheism, I don't believe it is the business of the state to enforce dress codes on the populace. I dislike religion in general. I dislike authoritarianism far more.

[Gaidin]

Zimmerman's let off is not of any consequence. Whether he was cleared or not, the result would have been the same, someone killed over a misjudgement. A world without armed busibodies is undoubtably a safer one.

What you miss is your misguided want for new laws doesn't stop the lawbreaker. Also, Zimmerman was let off because the prosecutor didn't charge him for manslaughter because politics. Get over it.

[mongrel]

Hm.. then the ones left holding the guns would be the ones who refuse the law, ie. the criminals, who now have a sheep hunting fest on the disarmed civilians. Not to speak of black markets, like in USA alcohol ban before the first New Deal with Roosevelt.

The whole gun debate thing is messy and depends on country culture and situation. I don't think a world consensus exists, in some countries gun ownership makes sense, in others it doesn't. That's how I see it.

Don't they have police foirces in America? Judging from all the cop shows I have seen I have reason to believe there are.

What you miss is your misguided want for new laws doesn't stop the lawbreaker. Also, Zimmerman was let off because the prosecutor didn't charge him for manslaughter because politics. Get over it.

I expect criminals will use whatever tools necessary to carry out their profession. My issue in this thread is with angry idiots who seem to be allowed to walk the streets, and apparently enter people's property armed and unchallenged. That the state was merciful on Zimmerman is of less importance than the fact he can walk around tooled up in the first place. Confine the stand your ground law to one's own property and public safety can be improved without interfering with the tribal idea that citizens must be armed to the teeth.

[classical_hero]

Zimmerman's let off is not of any consequence. Whether he was cleared or not, the result would have been the same, someone killed over a misjudgement. A world without armed busibodies is undoubtably a safer one.

So people don't get killed unless someone has a gun in their hands?

[Gaidin]

That the state was merciful on Zimmerman is of less importance than the fact he can walk around tooled up in the first place. Confine the stand your ground law to one's own property and public safety can be improved without interfering with the tribal idea that citizens must be armed to the teeth.

If the state was "merciful" instead of playing the necessary politics and the demands of the people on Zimmerman they'd have had a shot at a conviction because they'd have charged him with something lesser than murder and might have been able to prove it. The stand your ground law had absolutely nothing to do with the trial or anything at all except for words being said a few times by the Mother in an annoying fashion. But of course you have it backasswards because you're talking from emotion and not analysis.

[Papay]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-in-bangladesh

Here we had another incident of an atheist blogger hacked to death in Bangladesh. Its not the first time that this is happening although to be fair this happens at a time of high political tention in Bangladesh with members of the top Islamist party being sentenced to death by the government

[Brihentin13]

Zimmerman's let off is not of any consequence. Whether he was cleared or not, the result would have been the same, someone killed over a misjudgement. A world without armed busibodies is undoubtably a safer one.

So, let's get rid of police and security guards!

Criminals, yes and rarely, but never vigilantes.

Yes, criminals get guns, regardless of laws, hence the whole "criminal" thing. A "vigilante" is one who takes the law into their own hands and thus breaks it. So vigilantes are also criminals, which we've established will break laws to get guns regardless.

reckon most people are not competent to possess deadly weapons such as guns.

With that argument, realize that most people are not competent to drive motor vehicles either. Cars can be rather deadly. Today, my life was endangered several times by stupid people who can't drive worth a damn, but not once by a gun. If we are assuming that man is inherently stupid and irresponsible, then man does not need rights, he needs a nanny government to direct his life so that he does not harm himself or others. A properly trained government worker should take away your car, then transport you to and from your government controlled job, where you will be watched and led about carefully so you don't harm yourself or others.

[SorelusImperion]

So, let's get rid of police and security guards!

In the US that might actually be helpfull given that dangerously many seem to suffer from "digitus scabiosus"

[G-Megas-Doux]

Digitus scabiosus?

Finger Scabies, not quite the translation for itchy trigger finger. Scabies being when small mites burrow into the skin.

prurigine means itching.

Prurigine Digitum.

Still love the reference so +1 rep.

[mongrel]

Yes, criminals get guns, regardless of laws, hence the whole "criminal" thing. A "vigilante" is one who takes the law into their own hands and thus breaks it. So vigilantes are also criminals, which we've established will break laws to get guns regardless.

Yet this vigilante wasn't locked away until murder charges were brought. Zimmerman wasn't even locked away.

With that argument, realize that most people are not competent to drive motor vehicles either. .

Correct, that is why God gave us driving liciences. Crap, mad, and drunk drivers aren't allowed to drive.

I have read examples of such incompetents as the mother who killed herself fiddling with a loaded gun in her bra (why conceal a weapon in your own house and why have a round in chamber when your gun is resting on vital organs?) and the trainer who gave a 9 year girl an Uzi and didn't live to the the 180 degree spread of bullets.

[Denny Crane!]

So anything loosely connected to atheism is motivated by atheism despite no clear solid causal links. So Christianity makes people paedophiles. Cool.

[Brihentin13]

Yet this vigilante wasn't locked away until murder charges were brought.

...after he was assaulted, then defended himself.

Correct, that is why God gave us driving liciences

You also need a license to carry a concealed firearm. People who are packing unlicensed are already breaking the law.

I have read examples of such incompetents as the mother who killed herself fiddling with a loaded gun in her bra (why conceal a weapon in your own house and why have a round in chamber when your gun is resting on vital organs) and the trainer who gave a 9 year girl an Uzi and didn't live to the the 180 degree spread of bullets.

"I have read examples," is a bit anecdotal, but I'll go ahead and address this anyway. Stupid people did stupid things and hurt themselves. One does not hide a firearm in one's breasts and expect it to end well. Hell, one does not place a wallet in one's breasts and expect it to end well. The stupidity of some should not repress the rights of others. As for the child shooting a man with an Uzi, once again, stupid actions have stupid consequences. I never said to give children firearms. While some parents justifiably want empower their children with knowledge and training of safe firearms operation at a young age, this should be done in a certain setting in a certain way. Just letting a child loose with an automatic weapon(which, recall, is already banned for general use, even in America) is going to end badly. The trainer should have been holding the child's arms in place to compensate for the recoil. Once again, the stupidity of some should not effect the rights of others.

[mongrel]

So anything loosely connected to atheism is motivated by atheism despite no clear solid causal links. So Christianity makes people paedophiles. Cool.

Read the damned thread before you post.

...after he was assaulted, then defended himself..

Still a vigilante with a gun, if he wasn't the former or didn't pack the latter, there would be one more person alive right now.

..You also need a license to carry a concealed firearm. People who are packing unlicensed are already breaking the law. .

I understand that they are as easy to acquire as One Direction fan club memberships, in some places.

."I have read examples," is a bit anecdotal, but I'll go ahead and address this anyway. Stupid people did stupid things and hurt themselves. One does not hide a firearm in one's breasts and expect it to end well. Hell, one does not place a wallet in one's breasts and expect it to end well. The stupidity of some should not repress the rights of others. As for the child shooting a man with an Uzi, once again, stupid actions have stupid consequences. I never said to give children firearms. While some parents justifiably want empower their children with knowledge and training of safe firearms operation at a young age, this should be done in a certain setting in a certain way. Just letting a child loose with an automatic weapon(which, recall, is already banned for general use, even in America) is going to end badly. The trainer should have been holding the child's arms in place to compensate for the recoil. Once again, the stupidity of some should not effect the rights of others.

Stupid people shouldn't have lethal weapons. No problem with competent people having them, in controlled circumstances.

[SorelusImperion]

The stupidity of some should not repress the rights of others.

It's not about wallets we are talking about powerfull tools who if handled improperly are extremely dangerous not only to the person making the mistake but also to innocent bystanders.

[Emperor Arcturus Mengsk]

Stupid people shouldn't have lethal weapons. No problem with competent people having them, in controlled circumstances.

I couldn't resist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxMMrPoBq0M

[Gaidin]

Stupid people shouldn't have lethal weapons. No problem with competent people having them, in controlled circumstances.

Define stupid. And define lethal weapon.

[Denny Crane!]

Define stupid. And define lethal weapon.

Kitchen knife, baseball bat. Presumably he wants mittens stapled onto their arms to prevent them holding any handled object.

[mongrel]

Define stupid. And define lethal weapon.

Why?

[Gaidin]

Why?

So that law enforcement has something resembling a policy. You do know how this works, right? If you can't define these two things in any useful manner your wanted law will again be written off as an off the cuff rant and ignored. It won't even be countered because it's just plain useless. For the tenth time in this thread alone.