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    It seems like a PR move since afaik boko haram is getting smacked down pretty hard. they can both use it as a propaganda victory but it's hard to tell if it will have an impact since IS is already so well known, and they are getting pushed back almost everywhere, while I don't see why any foreign jihadists would be drawn into the african hinterlands instead of syria.
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    http://news.yahoo.com/islamic-state-...134656965.html

    Now we have Al Shabaab in Somalia "replacing" its alliance with Al Qaeda to ISIS. Apparently the Al Qaeda is everywhere myth is replaced by the ISIS is everywhere myth

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    Still dont understand the difference
    Latter were fighting a country that opposed US, so that makes them "good guys" or something.

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    ISIS just kill muslims.ISIS use media nicely . It is big theatre. Someone works good.

    1) Muslims=terorists
    2)iterfering middle east , draw new border , ethnic imigraitons

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papay View Post
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isi...giance-n322511


    Beware. ISIS expanded to Nigeria. So now we have branches to 6 countries(Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Nigeria, Afghanistan). All that in less than a year. I am impressed
    What is this "we" business? Are you part of ISIS and a supporter of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by classical_hero View Post
    What is this "we" business? Are you part of ISIS and a supporter of them?
    My mistake. In my language the "we" is used ironically when someone claims something and, as a show of ironical approval, you say "we" to show that you agree. Anyway ISIS replaces Taliban in Afghanistan

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-border.html

    Since the western public doesnt know what is going on in these countries, you claim that they are "ISIS" to justify interventions. The same happened with Al Qaeda for 15 years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papay View Post
    My mistake. In my language the "we" is used ironically when someone claims something and, as a show of ironical approval, you say "we" to show that you agree. Anyway ISIS replaces Taliban in Afghanistan

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-border.html

    Since the western public doesnt know what is going on in these countries, you claim that they are "ISIS" to justify interventions. The same happened with Al Qaeda for 15 years...
    You don't even bother reading your own links. The previous article you posted explained that Boko Haram pledged allegiance to IS, meaning the are simply an ally in Africa. What is so unbelievable about that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiberios View Post
    You don't even bother reading your own links. The previous article you posted explained that Boko Haram pledged allegiance to IS, meaning the are simply an ally in Africa. What is so unbelievable about that?
    That Nigeria and Iraq are some thousands of miles away each other

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    That Nigeria and Iraq are some thousands of miles away each other
    Yes, the distance must be quite prohibitive. How are they even able to communicate with each other?
    Quote Originally Posted by Enros View Post
    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sumskilz View Post
    Yes, the distance must be quite prohibitive. How are they even able to communicate with each other?
    SO boko Haram takes orders by ISIS? In which language do they speak? Do Nigerians know Arab? Do Arabs know the Nigerian language?

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    Do Nigerians know Arab?
    Yes, a lot of Muslims know some Arabic, but Northeastern Nigeria even has people who speak Arabic as their first language: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chadian_Arabic

    Do you also believe that no one in ISIS speaks English?
    Quote Originally Posted by Enros View Post
    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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    That Nigeria and Iraq are some thousands of miles away each other
    The Nigerian militant group Boko Haram has pledged official allegiance to ISIS, according to an audio statement released online Saturday. In the audio, a man claiming to be Boko Haram leader Abubakar Shekau appears to address ISIS leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi, and also calls on Muslims throughout the world to declare a similar loyalty.

    The message, posted via Boko Haram social media accounts, was confirmed by Flashpoint Intelligence, a global security firm and NBC News consultant. According to Flashpoint, the audio confirms what many analysts have said would happen: a bridging between Boko Haram and ISIS. Boko Haram is also following ISIS's trend of releasing messages online and mimicking the terror network's propaganda.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isi...-audio-n319256

    That is how they publically communicate. It's not like Boko Haram has suddenly turned into the IS clone, it is just that they have entered into an alliance. They both operate independently if each other. Again, what is so fundamentally unrealistic about that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiberios View Post
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isi...-audio-n319256

    That is how they publically communicate. It's not like Boko Haram has suddenly turned into the IS clone, it is just that they have entered into an alliance. They both operate independently if each other. Again, what is so fundamentally unrealistic about that?
    It's not an alliance, JASJD has given bayah (pledge of allegiance) to the Islamic State, meaning it's part of it and doesn't consider it as an alliance in anyway, especially if now JASJD is known as West Africa Wilayat.


    Coalition bombs the Islamic State and the Islamic State is fighting their puppets (YPG, FSA, IF, Peshmerga, Iraq), but Islamic State is their agents? Because that makes sense lol
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    http://news.yahoo.com/afghan-officia...35120.htmlISIS prese

    ISIS present in Afghanistan

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    http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/07/20/...New%20Campaign

    President Ghani "convinces" Obama that ISIS has suddenly replaced Taliban in Afghanistan.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/22/wo...shabaab-video/

    Al Shabaab pledges alliance to ISIS.

    All these of course are made up. We must convince the public that our neocon wars must continue

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    Made up cause Papay says so. Apparently groups around the world saying they pledge allegiance to the IS just can't be possible.
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    While you are at it, allow Germany to rearm, it's not like they committed the worst atrocity in modern history, so having a strong army can't lead to anything pitiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    Made up cause Papay says so. Apparently groups around the world saying they pledge allegiance to the IS just can't be possible.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-10111964.html

    This article claims that Qaddafi loyaltists captured Sirte some months ago. At the same time it labels these people as "ISIS". So what exactly are they? Are they Qaddafi loyaltists or ISIS? I will tell you what they are. They are just one of the many movements in thee muslim-arab world that reject a western democracy. These movements are all labeled as "ISIS" for propaganda reasons although they have nothing to do with "ISIS" on other countries

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papay View Post
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-10111964.html

    This article claims that Qaddafi loyaltists captured Sirte some months ago. At the same time it labels these people as "ISIS". So what exactly are they? Are they Qaddafi loyaltists or ISIS?
    They were loyalists who joined up with the ISIS. No different than the former Iraqi Baathists who joined the IS in Iraq. The loyalists want back in power and see joining the IS as a way to do that.

    Don't see how this is so complicated. If it was simply attacking groups that were against Democracy and calling them IS, then why doesn't the US call the Taliban the IS? Or Al-Nusra in Syria? or the multitude of Islamic groups fighting there?
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    While you are at it, allow Germany to rearm, it's not like they committed the worst atrocity in modern history, so having a strong army can't lead to anything pitiful.

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    I think ISIS is real. It exists (unfortunately).

    On the plus side, I'm looking forward to the day when it doesn't exist any more.

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