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    Default Re: US WARSHIP HEADS TO YEMENI WATERS; COULD BLOCK IRAN WEAPONS

    Reuters report contradicts the op, in that the Pentagon is denying the ships are going to intercept Iranian vessels:

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Navy has sent an aircraft carrier and a guided-missile cruiser into the waters near Yemen, officials said on Monday, heightening the U.S. maritime security presence as concerns mount over Yemen's escalating conflict.

    The U.S. Navy sent the carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt and its escort cruiser, USS Normandy, from the Gulf into the Arabian Sea on Sunday. Army Colonel Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, denied reports the ships were on a mission to intercept Iranian arms shipments to Yemen.

    [...]

    The U.S. Navy said it had increased its presence in the area because of the instability. It said in a statement the purpose was to "ensure the vital shipping lanes in the region remain open and safe."
    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/to...50420?irpc=932

    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula's_Horse View Post
    They doesn't need legal right; there is no international police that'll come and arrest a country for breaking the law. International law is really nothing more then an excuse for powerful nations to enforce their will on weaker ones. If it ever applies the other way around, the powerful nations just ignore it and there's not much anyone can do short of forcing a confrontation (which you could do regardless of their grievance's legal standing; no police for that either).
    Depends entirely on who's in power whether conservatives or liberals. Since its Obama, we can expect the US to not blatantly use its power over the sea lanes to support Saudi Arabia, not without some of kind UN green light.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula's_Horse View Post
    Personally, I suspect the American ships sent are actually there less to do practical blockade work, and more to make sure the Iranians don't try to play chicken with the Saudis, risk starting a war and jack up everybody's oil prices.
    Can be, really the deployment does any number of things including merely protecting US assets in the region and deterring Iranian weapon deliveries:

    The UN security council has scheduled a vote on a draft resolution that would impose an arms embargo on leaders of*Yemen’s Shia Houthi rebelsand their key supporters – ex-president Ali Abdullah Saleh and his son.

    The resolution, with the vote to be held on Tuesday, is aimed at ending the Houthis’ military campaign against supporters of the embattled current president, Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi, and the rebels’ attempt to take over the strategic Middle East country.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-houthi-rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by IrishBlood View Post
    HA! Tell that to the ship full of aid for Gaza that the Isrealis boarded! International law is only applicable for those that it can be enforced upon. If the US navy wants to board a ship, then you either let them or risk an act of war. Simple as that.
    No its clearly not that simple. Israel is viewed extremely negatively by the rest of the world because of their actions. International law does not exist to force states to comply but as a forum and a standard for norms. If states want to defect they are free to do so with all the consequences.

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    Also why wasnt this posted in the already existing Yemen civil war thread?
    Use the report button.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyar Son View Post
    Yemeni-Americans were stranded in Yemen but the primary US concern is helping Saudi Arabia beat Iran in its proxy war.
    the Indian Navy is actually ferrying people to Djibouti, Americans among them, props to India here. the thing is though India has to wait for lulls in fighting because ports are dangerous. the US Navy is racing to assist the Indian Navy and possibly start ferrying people themselves.

    if some Houthis or an Iranian vessel pokes their head out they may be blasted back to Persia, so don't do it.

    Last edited by snuggans; April 20, 2015 at 07:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toho View Post
    Mmm, an empty gesture by the US to placate the sauds? yea, thats possible.
    its hard to imagine US doing anything more than that.
    ​I hope it is just that. We shouldn't be interfering in this conflict more than providing intelligence. Although I'm hoping we stop even that



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    All in all, it is just a chess move.

    I remember the days when Georgia was invaded by Russia. President Bush did nothing of value. But now that the Ukraine is in crisis and Yemen too, it seems the US is all too ready to flex its muscles by openly supporting certain groups at war. In fact the US as of right now is fighting two proxy wars, one with Russia to a small extent and to a larger extent one with Iran.

    Remember, Obama won a Nobel peace prize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snuggans View Post
    if some Houthis or an Iranian vessel pokes their head out they may be blasted back to Persia, so don't do it.
    I should make this a signature.
    Purely because of how dumb and how hilariously it is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyar Son View Post
    All in all, it is just a chess move.

    I remember the days when Georgia was invaded by Russia. President Bush did nothing of value. But now that the Ukraine is in crisis and Yemen too, it seems the US is all too ready to flex its muscles by openly supporting certain groups at war. In fact the US as of right now is fighting two proxy wars, one with Russia to a small extent and to a larger extent one with Iran.
    That is an extremely generous use of the word 'proxy war'. We might as well call it what it is: non-involvement. US support in those places are token, half hearted attempts aimed more at making minor political statements than actually deciding the fate of the conflict. Contrast with the daily bombing of Islamic State costing billions by comparison.

    And really now, 7 years is all it takes to start remembering Bush as being less belligerent than Obama? Damn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toho View Post
    I should make this a signature.
    Purely because of how dumb and how hilariously it is written.
    remember to include the pirate emoticon too, it's essential. yarggh!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sire Brenshar View Post
    That is an extremely generous use of the word 'proxy war'. We might as well call it what it is: non-involvement. US support in those places are token, half hearted attempts aimed more at making minor political statements than actually deciding the fate of the conflict. Contrast with the daily bombing of Islamic State costing billions by comparison.

    And really now, 7 years is all it takes to start remembering Bush as being less belligerent than Obama? Damn.
    Did you expect it to take more or something? Maybe less?

    You call it non-involvement at the end of one sentence then describe US supporting, i.e. involving itself in the conflict. You might distract the argument and argue semantics but I'll just cut you short right now. What does it mean when a country provides extensive intelligence to a country at war then moves an armed fleet just off of Yemeni waters? Oh right, my mistake, half-hearted and minor

    Its a prize, get over yourself.
    Get over what?

    Reuters report contradicts the op, in that the Pentagon is denying the ships are going to intercept Iranian vessels:
    Quote from that article:
    The other U.S. warships in the region include two destroyers, two mine-sweepers and three amphibious ships carrying 2,200 U.S. Marines.
    These actions are self evident. The blockade is there. Conflict provided the justification for the forces present, and conflict in addition to any Yemeni-Americans left there will provide justification for forces to invade.
    Last edited by Aikanár; April 21, 2015 at 01:57 PM. Reason: off-topic (personal reference)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyar Son View Post
    Did you expect it to take more or something? Maybe less?
    Maybe if it was a different generation Id expect it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boyar Son View Post
    You call it non-involvement at the end of one sentence then describe US supporting, i.e. involving itself in the conflict.
    What I wrote is not at all complicated. US actions in Syria and Ukraine are more symbolic than substantive. They make little to no difference in actual outcome, unlike the actions taken against Islamic State. Hence the term proxy war is just concept stretching in the extreme.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boyar Son View Post
    You might distract the argument and argue semantics but I'll just cut you short right now. What does it mean when a country provides extensive intelligence to a country at war then moves an armed fleet just off of Yemeni waters? Oh right, my mistake, half-hearted and minor
    Semantics matter. Its like the difference between murder and collateral damage, is it not important in your eyes? Insignificant? I hope not.

    What extensive intelligence are you referring to exactly?

    I said, the previous examples were halfhearted and token. The possibility of major US involvement is obviously real, but not at all certain yet. What the security council decides matters, Saudi interests matter, the affects upon oil trade matter. If US citizens or even foreign nationals are caught in the conflict it matters.

    Merely maneuvering existing forces already in the region isnt a sign of a imminent invasion - its a sign of being prepared for any outcome, in a region where the US has or perceives it has major interests.

    But Im not pumping my chest screaming Obamas a blood hound thirsting for war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boyar Son View Post
    Get over what?
    Using Obama's Nobel Peace award as some kind of point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boyar Son View Post
    These actions are self evident. The blockade is there. Conflict provided the justification for the forces present, and conflict in addition to any Yemeni-Americans left there will provide justification for forces to invade.
    What else, the rotation of planes over the Baltics and deployment of advisors to Ukraine a sign of war at any second? Of US advisors in Iraq last year evidence another soon to be US ground invasion?

    Jumping the gun arent we. And it has more to do with simply disliking Obama than any kind of real interest of US foreign affairs.

    Yes, those 2000 marines, which is a tiny number, have been in the region since who knows when. Theyre part of the USS Guam reaction force, look it up for yourself. Not my fault youre unaware of what US are forces are abroad, and where.
    Last edited by Aikanár; April 21, 2015 at 01:58 PM. Reason: continuity
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    It seems Saudis are going to start a ground invasion .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithridates II the Great View Post
    It seems Saudis are going to start a ground invasion .
    ​Source?



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    Here: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/0...155500641.html

    They seem to have achieved their set goals for the air campaign, so now they are moving on to 'phase 2'. Now there is a lot of speculation as to what phase two actually is. The Saudis claim it will be reinforcing their border, anti-terrorism activities and the beginning of a political solution to end the conflict.

    However, the mass mobilization of the elite Saudi national Guard (to my understanding they are an elite border guard rather than army reservists like their American counter parts) along the Yemeni border makes many believe that a potential Saudi ground attack could be coming soon.

    All we can do is speculate until we see tanks starting to roll across the border!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithridates II the Great View Post
    It seems Saudis are going to start a ground invasion .
    Ha, the Saudi army is largely imaginary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hookah Smoking Caterpiller View Post
    Ha, the Saudi army is largely imaginary.
    I actually want to see them try.
    Though I doubt they would welcome the embarrassment.

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    I suspect if you spend 80 billion dollars (ranked 3th) a year you can go around and shoot someone. But golden guns doesn't give you victory.

    Let's hope everyone uses its mind and settle peace.
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    An Intelligence Vet Explains ISIS, Yemen, and "the Dick Cheney of Iraq"

    The Gulf Cooperation Council needs to invade Yemen with ground forces, like, yesterday: The Saudis are fighting the wrong war right now with the Houthis in Yemen. They are allowing AQAP to take South Yemen and all of their weapons. So we now have a well-armed and funded al-Qaeda caliphate rising on the Arabian Peninsula, thanks to the Saudi Iranian obsession. They view the Iranians as a sabre at arm’s length, and it makes them blind to the ISIS/AQ dagger at their throat. Solve it all by coming down through Oman, land troops in Aden and take control of the country. Someone has to, and soon.
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    The Houthis have made territorial claims on Saudi Arabia, so that may be another reason to squash any such pretensions.

    As for Al Qaeda, the enemy of my enemy ...
    Eats, shoots, and leaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K View Post
    As for Al Qaeda, the enemy of my enemy ...
    That's always worked so well with Al Qaeda. But since AQ and Saoudi Arabia are two sides of the same coin, anyway...

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    Saudi airstrikes against Sana'a airport force Iran's aid plane to return


    An Iranian cargo plane carrying medical aid and foodstuff for crisis-hit people in Yemen has been forced to return as Riyadh pushes ahead with its deadly airstrikes against the Arab state, Press TV reports.

    Press TV has learned that the Iranian aircraft, which had earlier received permits from Omani and Yemeni aviation officials to cross into Yemen’s airspace, could not land at the international airport in the Yemeni capital, Sana’a, as Saudi warplanes were violently striking the runway of the civil airport.


    The development comes days after Saudi fighter jets intercepted an Iranian airplane, carrying humanitarian aid to Yemen, and prevented it from entering the Yemeni airspace on April 22.
    Following Riyadh’s interception of the Iranian aid flight, Iran’s Foreign Ministry summoned Saudi Arabia’s chargé d'affaires in Tehran to express its protest over the move.


    An Iranian Foreign Ministry official said the Saudi move came after the Iranian Red Crescent Society (IRCS) had obtained the necessary permission to fly in the Oman-Yemen route and send a plane in coordination with the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in order to fly Yemeni patients back to Iran and distribute medical aid to the injured in the war-wracked country.


    Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister for Arab and African Affairs Hossein Amir-Abdollahian said on Sunday that Saudi Arabia’s blockade of Yemen and its prevention of the delivery of the Islamic Republic’s humanitarian aid to the country will not go unanswered.
    “We consider all options for helping the Yemeni people and immediate dispatch of humanitarian aid and transfer of the injured,” he noted.


    Saudi Arabia launched its air campaign against Yemen on March 26 - without a United Nations mandate - in a bid to undermine the Houthi Ansarullah movement and to restore power to the country’s fugitive former president, Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi, who is a staunch ally of Riyadh.


    On April 21, Riyadh announced the end of the first phase of its unlawful military operation, which has claimed the lives of nearly 1,000 people so far, but airstrikes have continued with Saudi bombers targeting different areas across the country in a new phase.

    According to Yemen’s Health Ministry, the month-long Saudi aggression has killed nearly 150 children and around 100 women.
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    a pressTV article? you might as well have asked Khamenei himself what he thinks of the situation

    also you can't just post the body of the article and write nothing of your own

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