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    Jorge Ramos is a legend, lol

    after having been manhandled by Trump's bodyguard, other reporters in the room begin asking Trump about Ramos and requesting that he be let back in, which then Trump caves.

    when Ramos returns, he has a back-and-forth with Trump, where Ramos is asking him questions like "how are you going to deport 11m+ people?", "how are you going to reduce the debt", and Trump throws a couple of strawmen and swerves off-topic, literally started talking about his lawsuit with Univision. "do you know how much im suing Univision for?" "$500 million", that's his answer to Ramos's legitimate questions.

    now hate groups are offering to donate to Trump.

    people on here can't be serious about supporting Trump right? it's a joke right? he can't even answer simple questions about his most advertised policies. he says he doesn't need a prompter? he says he doesn't need to take cues from cards either but in the Mobile speech he kept looking down at something he had in the podium while he was sweating massively. he was definitely taking pointers from an index card or something, and his speech was still terrible and all over the place.

    is he advertising his run for president or is he advertising his book and hotels and golf courses? Trump is using the election as a platform to sell his things
    Last edited by snuggans; August 26, 2015 at 04:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chilon View Post
    I am unsure why you only focus on certain issues and ignore their correlates.

    For instance you bring up fraud in social programs, why not talk about all the corporate fraud? How about all the businesses like Halliburton that intentionally rip off taxpayers and then we have to pay even more money suing them under False Claims to recoup some of the losses.

    You talk about "people sitting on their asses not looking for a job". First, that is far less common than the Trump myth imagines but more importantly what about the corporate subsidies and farm subsidies that completely distort the market? What about paying midwest corn farming to destroy crops or forcing California to use midwest produced ethanol to give them a guaranteed market? Or how about how our markets are currently being completely skimmed by high frequency traders who are basically leeching about 160 Billion a year out of our economy to absolutely ZERO benefit?

    Republicans love to focus on the much smaller and less important "welfare hustler" as somehow much more offensive than corporate criminals who rip off taxpayers every day for far, far more money. You seem to like picking on the easiest targets, some welfare mom who might be lying to get a few extra hundred bucks a year and you ignore the white collar con artists and scandalous hustlers who are stealing millions and billions a year.
    Both are issues that need to addressed. When I talk specifically about one problem we face and not another you feel is important, there's no need to go off on a rant lad.

    There's also a huge issue that is going to screw up future generations which is related to welfare; the government incentives for poor people to have more kids. A lot of our growth in population is now coming from those who cannot afford children and simply pump more out to get more of that sweet welfare money. This needs to be changed.

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    Quinnipiac University's national poll, released Thursday, finds that Clinton remains the Democratic frontrunner with 45 percent, but her lead over Bernie Sanders has slipped by 10 percentage points. Sanders has 22 percent, and Biden comes in third with 18 percent.

    When voters were asked the first word that came to their mind about Clinton, the top three replies were indictments of her trustworthiness. The No. 1response was “liar,” followed by “dishonest” and “untrustworthy.” Overall, more than a third of poll respondents said their first thought about Clinton was some version of: She’s a liar.



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    Quote Originally Posted by snuggans View Post
    when Ramos returns, he has a back-and-forth with Trump, where Ramos is asking him questions like "how are you going to deport 11m+ people?", "how are you going to reduce the debt", and Trump throws a couple of strawmen and swerves off-topic, literally started talking about his lawsuit with Univision.
    That's the problem, Trump probably has no idea how to do any of the things he promises. He'll just end up ruining the race for everybody else, except Hillary (who'll suddenly appear as the more serious alternative. Who wouldn't, next to Trump). Maybe that was the plan all along.

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    Shillary's truckload of dirty laundry is a huge liability for Democrats and her corporate sponsors alike. If she faces Trump, she will definitely lose. Bernie could be a much more interesting choice, since he can pull same BS Obama pulled in 2008 with all the empty talk about being progressive and changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Shillary's truckload of dirty laundry is a huge liability for Democrats and her corporate sponsors alike. If she faces Trump, she will definitely lose. Bernie could be a much more interesting choice, since he can pull same BS Obama pulled in 2008 with all the empty talk about being progressive and changes.
    Let's be honest here, Bernie 'Cuck' Sanders has no chance of winning, thank God, because he is a self-proclaimed Socialist and is only popular with the group least likely to vote (18-25 year olds, only about 16% eligible actually vote.)

    I foresee Biden announcing his bid for the presidency very soon. Shillary will drop out or be sent to jail because of the sensitive information she had stored on private servers. This will allow Biden to fill that power gap. Trump vs. Biden would be rather interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrZanyGaming View Post
    Let's be honest here, Bernie 'Cuck' Sanders has no chance of winning, thank God, because he is a self-proclaimed Socialist and is only popular with the group least likely to vote (18-25 year olds, only about 16% eligible actually vote.)

    I foresee Biden announcing his bid for the presidency very soon. Shillary will drop out or be sent to jail because of the sensitive information she had stored on private servers. This will allow Biden to fill that power gap. Trump vs. Biden would be rather interesting.
    Liberal revolutionary Bernie Sanders, riding an updraft of insurgent passion in Iowa, has closed to within 7 points of Hillary Clinton in the Democratic presidential race.
    She's the first choice of 37 percent of likely Democratic caucusgoers; he's the pick for 30 percent, according to a new Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Politics Iowa Poll.
    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/sto...gust/71387664/

    Hillary has fallen 10% nationally in a one month. The Democratic party is splintering along the same lines as the Republicans: establishment vs outsiders. Martin O'Malley (Democractic candidate) called out the establishment for only having 4 debates before primaries begin calling the process rigged. The person making the decision about debates is Debbie Wasserman Schultz who publicly supported Hillary in 2008. If you bunched the polling numbers of the establishment candidates into a single Republican candidate you would see a similar situation to what is going on in the Democratic race.

    The fact that Hillary Clinton is already 20% towards the nomination through super delegates (10% of all super delegates have already committed to her) is an even bigger problem for the party. It's not as simple as Biden declaring "I'm running" and Biden is in it. The ground game necessary to reach the constituency is a massive operation which takes months if not years to create. Biden can use some of the former Obama staff but like I said he starts out -20% meaning he has to secure 66% of the remaining delegates or poach off Hillary. If he tries to poach off Hillary you will see the reemergence of PUMA.

    If the Sanders constituency believes the process is rigged in favor of the establishment, he may well run as an independent (he is technically an independent) setting up democrat establishment vs occupy wall street vs tea party vs republican establishment.

    Don't count Bernie Sanders out because you believe his constituency won't vote. Bernie Sanders phenomenon reminds me alot of Ron Paul 2008.
    Last edited by tgoodenow; August 29, 2015 at 09:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrZanyGaming View Post
    Shillary will drop out or be sent to jail because of the sensitive information she had stored on private servers.
    lol ok

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    Shillary will probably exit the race now, in exchange for not prosecuting her afterwards. Perhaps she tried to run for president in order to ruin it for Democrats? Making such a deal with Reps in exchange for letting her go sounds like something Shillary would definitely do.
    And voting for Biden is like adopting a 12 year old dog from a shelter, you know its just going to die soon afterwards.
    At least Bernie is entertaining, although economically illiterate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrZanyGaming View Post
    Let's be honest here, Bernie 'Cuck' Sanders has no chance of winning, thank God, because he is a self-proclaimed Socialist and is only popular with the group least likely to vote (18-25 year olds, only about 16% eligible actually vote.)

    I foresee Biden announcing his bid for the presidency very soon. Shillary will drop out or be sent to jail because of the sensitive information she had stored on private servers. This will allow Biden to fill that power gap. Trump vs. Biden would be rather interesting.


    If it ends up coming down to Trump VS Biden.
    How does Biden win that..?
    The biggest appeal about trump is that he is not a lifetime politician, that he is/was not part of the Bush/Obama fest The American people have been hit with for the past 14 1/2 years.. And Biden has been riding shotgun.

    I guess it's just way over my head on how he could actually win..




    Does not make sense to me..
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    I imagine he'd take the middle road between Hilary and Bernie, populist but (hopefully) with more realistic positions, if he just runs as obama 2.0 then he would probably loose the primary. Although his overall chances will be easier to judge once trump has more then talking points as his platform...
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    This thread is pure comedy gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snuggans View Post
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    is he advertising his run for president or is he advertising his book and hotels and golf courses? Trump is using the election as a platform to sell his things
    I hope he is. The world will not survive someone like Trump driving the big USA truck into a wall. I'm not really sure how any senior politician could take him seriously other than being forced with a gun to do so.
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    Shillary's platform is "Hmm, what are the popular talking points these days? I'll make that my position and then drop the act when I'm in office"



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    Quote Originally Posted by Char Aznable View Post
    Shillary's platform is "Hmm, what are the popular talking points these days? I'll make that my position and then drop the act when I'm in office"
    Is that not the platform of the vast majority of Politicians throughout the ages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Shillary will probably exit the race now, in exchange for not prosecuting her afterwards. Perhaps she tried to run for president in order to ruin it for Democrats? Making such a deal with Reps in exchange for letting her go sounds like something Shillary would definitely do.
    And voting for Biden is like adopting a 12 year old dog from a shelter, you know its just going to die soon afterwards.
    At least Bernie is entertaining, although economically illiterate.
    Define what you think the word probably means?

    Quote Originally Posted by snuggans View Post
    Jorge Ramos is a legend, lol

    after having been manhandled by Trump's bodyguard, other reporters in the room begin asking Trump about Ramos and requesting that he be let back in, which then Trump caves.

    when Ramos returns, he has a back-and-forth with Trump, where Ramos is asking him questions like "how are you going to deport 11m+ people?", "how are you going to reduce the debt", and Trump throws a couple of strawmen and swerves off-topic, literally started talking about his lawsuit with Univision. "do you know how much im suing Univision for?" "$500 million", that's his answer to Ramos's legitimate questions.

    now hate groups are offering to donate to Trump.

    people on here can't be serious about supporting Trump right? it's a joke right? he can't even answer simple questions about his most advertised policies. he says he doesn't need a prompter? he says he doesn't need to take cues from cards either but in the Mobile speech he kept looking down at something he had in the podium while he was sweating massively. he was definitely taking pointers from an index card or something, and his speech was still terrible and all over the place.

    is he advertising his run for president or is he advertising his book and hotels and golf courses? Trump is using the election as a platform to sell his things
    Oh, it's just the primaries. It's the most high profile part of the American system where the parties get so balkanised that the nazis, the freaks and the bitter failures get their few months every four years of audibility. They'll be discarded soon enough.

    The advice to Trump supporters must remain: the circus will be over soon. Try not to be the last clown out of the tent.
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    It would be nice if Kasich or Paul got the nomination



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    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/one-ke...141403426.html

    Meh... Half of those Republicans that were saying 3 months ago they would never vote for Trump, now view him favorably. Being a dick in politics seems to be winning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/one-ke...141403426.html

    Meh... Half of those Republicans that were saying 3 months ago they would never vote for Trump, now view him favorably. Being a dick in politics seems to be winning.

    I think this shows the negative effect of a concerted media campaign against someone who truth be told does represent a lot of the beliefs commonly held by most Republicans. I still don't think he has a chance of actually winning an election, but if I was Hillary Clinton I would be looking forwards to the same kind of bump once the Republicans truly ramp up their attacks on her.

    These two candidates started already with very high unfavorable and the constant bashing of them has the opposite effect of what it intends to do. It humanizes them, and causes people to stop and think "hey wait a second they are bashing some of my beliefs as well as they try and tar this person as 100% crazy". As well as highlighting not only the futility of the campaigns against him, but bringing all those people who criticize him down to his level (where he has a great deal of experience, and operates best).

    If the media (including social media etc.) had toned it down or ignored him entirely he would already be gone. They put him and his policies in the spotlight, and there really is no such thing as bad publicity for someone who has had it all already. No scandal could bring down Trump, bad business dealings? Everyone knows. An extra-marital affair? LOL. Racist gab? Please. This is a reality television star who has been a joke for decades, and all the pundits/commentators who think they will "bring him down" with a scathing report must truly be delusional. The more they needlessly point out the obvious the more they make it suddenly a two-sided debate, this isn't even the first time Trump has used this exact route with a Presidential candidacy (birth certificate)!!!!

    MSNBC, CNN and even Fox News hilariously should have left the jokes and snide comments about Trump to ACTUAL comedians, and reported on the news. They are the ones to blame.

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    The poll by SurveyUSA finds that matched up directly, Trump garners 45 percent to Clinton’s 40 percent.




    In other head-to-head matchups, Trump beats out Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) by 44 percent to 40 percent; Vice President Joe Biden by 44 percent to 42 percent; and former Vice President Al Gore by 44 percent to 41 percent.


    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...y-head-to-head

    What was everyone saying about trump's unelectability?

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