Discussion on Greek political, financial issues + new elections

[Stavroforos]

Is it true that Tsipras called snap elections for September?

He will announce them tonight.

what chances does GD have the next elections ?

Thankfully, much lower chances than you might hope.

[Emperor Arcturus Mengsk]

How can people support the deal if the voted overwhelmingly against a slightly better one?

Polling is a crap pseudoscience that's how

I don't know how it goes in other countries but here, poll results are usually way off.

[Andreius Pretorianus]

He will announce them tonight.

Thankfully, much lower chances than you might hope.

as long as GD exists in the pools, the reistence lives.

Even if they will not win these elections , their day will come , when greeks will realise that politics isn t about right or left , it s about traitorous scumbags and nationalists.

[Emperor Arcturus Mengsk]

as long as GD exists in the pools, the reistence lives.

Even if they will not win these elections , their day will come , when greeks will realise that politics isn t about right or left , it s about traitorous scumbags and nationalists.

I think it's pretty safe to say that the idea of ethnicity and nation state belongs in the past in a globalized world.

The only way to keep those two values intact is to be like North Korea.

I forgot Israel

[RNV]

I'm worried more by the fact that it seems the greeks renounced to fight than by anything else. The memorandum is just a suicide, and Golden Dawn is, let's say with an understatement, sub-optimal.

We'll see... I have yet to understand how the economy is supposed to restart (please save me the fairy tale about confidence because it forgets that in any economy there must be someone who buys to have someone who produces).

[Kyriakos]

Tsipras announcing move for new elections, likely in a month.

Triggered by 20 Syriza MPs arguing for abandoning the eurozone/switching back to drachma. They are exprected to be in their own -newly formed the next days- party.

Meh. Well, i suppose it had to happen. I regard it as pretty much certain that Tsipras will be the next PM once more, and possibly with full autonomy this time (in this parliament he had an alliance with the 10-MP Independent Greeks party).

I will either be voting for Tsipras/Syriza (most likely, i like Tsipras and some others there, and their policies, despite a few clowns) or Ind Greeks.

The new election will likely mean the end of Pasok in Parliament. They barely got 4% last time. Also ND (center-right-crook) is set to lose a lot of seats. Not sure about GD and KKE.

BTW: is Konstantopoulou and Varoufakis still in Syriza? Cause i like them, despite their trolling

[Akrotatos]

Here we go again....the dude does not want to govern but Greeks will vote him nonetheless. That'll show him

[Kyriakos]

^You shall feel the wrath of super-Tsipras in the next parliament

Or Alexis Kidd.

[Stavros_Kalmpou]

BTW: is Konstantopoulou and Varoufakis still in Syriza? Cause i like them, despite their trolling

Nope, Konstantopoulou is going with Lafazanis. I am not sure about Varoufakis

[alhoon]

How can people support the deal if the voted overwhelmingly against a slightly better one?

Because they're stupid sheeple.

Syriza told them to say NO. They voted NO!
Then SYRIZA told them that they brought the best deal possible. So they back the deal.

[Kyriakos]

Nope, Konstantopoulou is going with Lafazanis. I am not sure about Varoufakis

This sucks...Zoe>Lafazanis surely.

And yeah, i don't see Varoufakis being in a Lafazanis-led party. In fact Varou would likely get more votes by himself.

Anyway, it was about time we had an election again, i mean too much stability would be weird now

[alhoon]

Tsipras said:
«θα συνεχίσουμε πιο έμπειροι, πιο έτοιμοι, πιο προσγειωμένοι»
(Translation more or less: "We will continue more experienced, more prepared, more grounded to reality")
He kinda accepts he has been wrong, naïve and foolish all those years. I expect the Opposition, those he was calling traitors and evil scumbag all those years to continue demanding an apology.

Here we go again....the dude does not want to govern but Greeks will vote him nonetheless. That'll show him

Meh, true.

[Stavros_Kalmpou]

This sucks...Zoe>Lafazanis surely.
And yeah, i don't see Varoufakis being in a Lafazanis-led party. In fact Varou would likely get more votes by himself.
Anyway, it was about time we had an election again, i mean too much stability would be weird now

Indeed, Lafazanis and Varoufakis don't mix at all! The problem with the breakoff MP's of SYRIZA is that they have no leader. I believe Lafazanis would make a good leading figure, but he is not very popular with the people. Zoe on the other hand would be good to attract voters from SYRIZA and other parties. Varoufakis on the other hand, would have been the perfect man to challenge Tsipras' popularity with the people, especially the younger, but he doesn't want to be with Lafazanis

Tsipras said:
«θα συνεχίσουμε πιο έμπειροι, πιο έτοιμοι, πιο προσγειωμένοι»
(Translation more or less: "We will continue more experienced, more prepared, more grounded to reality")
He kinda accepts he has been wrong, naïve and foolish all those years. I expect the Opposition, those he was calling traitors and evil scumbag all those years to continue demanding an apology.

So he simply says that he will continue the policy of the previous goverments, shinking us further into debt and more agreements and instability. He will win these elections, but I am not so sure about the ones after these...
About the Opposition, they have the right to be pissed off I think He became all the things he called them in less than a year.

[Elianus]

And the sheep that we call countrymen will vote for this worthless wannabe rebel once again. Most Greeks do deserve everything that is coming.

[Basil II the B.S]

Because they're stupid sheeple.

Syriza told them to say NO. They voted NO!
Then SYRIZA told them that they brought the best deal possible. So they back the deal.

Hard to blame the average Greek when everyone has been lying to them. Except Golden Dawn, they truly mean what they say.

[alhoon]

Hard to blame the average Greek when everyone has been lying to them. Except Golden Dawn, they truly mean what they say.

And DHMAR, the small, ex-government partner that was in the previous government going for the reasonable leftwing road and vanished politically for the decision. You see, they were open from the start that they would be pro-bailout, not saying they would tear up memoranda or calling for referendums. And till 2015 SYRIZA demonized them for that.

And now, through Tsipras own words (as well as actions in the past months) it's clear as day that they were right, that they were reasonable, that they weren't the europhile traitors SYRIZA blamed them to be.
They were everything SYRIZA hopes to be after these elections when they shed the radicals.

I may vote for DHMAR again, just because.

And before anyone says they are sell-outs... we saw the brave idealists of SYRIZA!
At least DHMAR was open from the beginning that they wouldn't blow things ups. And if we still have "κλαδικές συμβάσεις" it's because of Kouvelis (I don't know the English word, it's a thing that companies hire people on a predefined contract with the whole union declaring how much a person would be paid, number of vacation days etc).

Sure, these kind of agreements have lost tons of power and all... but they still exist. In a degraded form sure, but it's easier to push them back than to build them from scratch.


As a note, I think the ex-DHMAR SYRIZA MPs (Panousis, Kyritsis, Anagnwstakis) are standing with the government instead of breaking away.

[Basil II the B.S]

Isn't there anyone willing to take Greece out of the Euro nightmare?

[alhoon]

Yes. several small parties.

[Basil II the B.S]

It's going to be a rather pointless election then.

[alhoon]

It's going to be a rather pointless election then.

We know. It's just for SYRIZA to get rid of the old SYRIZA and transform to a moderate left party, more or less like those they demonized for years. Better late than never...