So why Mixer? You know i believe in nothing and i'm very happy in my life. I don't need a god or someone else to see the difference beetwen evil and god. I don't need to believe in something to make my choice in my life.
P.S.Dear Portuguese Rebel, did i make some mistake in my answer about sex?Please correct me, tk's
Civitate
Relax Drusus, you made no mistake, your logic is good B)
"Yes, I rather like this God fellow. He's very theatrical, you know,
a pestilence here, a plague there... He's so deliciously evil."
Stewie, Family Guy
why does it get to you?Originally posted by Mixer@Nov 27 2003, 09:31 AM
I'm catholic too! go pro-life! well anyways, the one thing that gets me is not people that don't believe in God (agnoticism), but put the deny there is a God(atheism) and there never will be a God...
He that will not reason is a bigot, He that cannot reason is a fool, He that dares not reason is a slave.
Banzai jūden-ki
Because we BELIVE in a god! I am sure people who believe in god get to you. Its because its the opposite beliefs. Because you dont believe in god you probably think you have something over us, an advantage.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."
http://www.apollocinema.net.tc/
ximan = pronounced "zee-man"
Dont presume you san speak for mixer, as well as dont presume you know what i think. No, i dont think i have an advantage over any theists. ( what is it, a race?) Its the fervent blindsided theism that gets to me...people that cant see outside the realm of mythology into the realm of reason...that gets to me...
btw, i am not an atheist, i could not, for the life of me, call myself that..I am an agnostic with atheist leanings, i dont presume to know what ignorant men are sure of...
He that will not reason is a bigot, He that cannot reason is a fool, He that dares not reason is a slave.
I agree with you full-heartedly Boris.
Come on now, man. You know Im not blindsided and you know my beliefs. I like you, Boris, inspite of our difference. Don't think low of me because I believe there is a God.Dont presume you san speak for mixer, as well as dont presume you know what i think. No, i dont think i have an advantage over any theists. ( what is it, a race?) Its the fervent blindsided theism that gets to me...people that cant see outside the realm of mythology into the realm of reason...that gets to me...
1. i never refered to you anywhere on this post.
2. i dont think less of anyone for your theism..i thought i made that clear
3. thank you sejanus...
He that will not reason is a bigot, He that cannot reason is a fool, He that dares not reason is a slave.
1. well you didnt
2. so suck it
Im just sayin, you hate blind sided theism.....and you might consider me like that. And you don't hate me. I hate athiests who refuse to see God. B)
touche' Ma FrIeNd
Banzai jūden-ki
i'm sorry, but I consider atheists train of thought quite weird. That doesnt mean I hate you boris, even though it is vice versa with you on me.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."
http://www.apollocinema.net.tc/
ximan = pronounced "zee-man"
not so ximan, in fact, im rather taking a liking to the new you, so logn as you remain non-imflamatory...and, please, for teh last time, NOT atheist....read above (the post with bold on it), and read carefully....
He that will not reason is a bigot, He that cannot reason is a fool, He that dares not reason is a slave.
British Patriot
atheists are pretty much a contradiction. i mean an atheist doesn't simply not believe in any god, they refuse to acknowledge the existance of god.
this means that they think about god as much as a believer does, albeit in terms of denial.
Greek Pride
Nice thinking tBP!
Life is like Chess, once you make a move you can't take it back.
Many people confuse atheism with agnosticism, either out of ignorance or fervor or both. Communist ideolgues like Trotzky were atheists. I dont think there are many atheists nowadays - most people in the developed countries, where higher education is a common good and culture has incorporated a lot of tolerance tend to put religion where it belongs - on the 'funny fantasies' shelf (at best) or in the trashb in of history (usualy).
Atheism sure is contradictory in terms of believing it has proof X doesnt exist because the existance of X cannot be proved. But theists are even more contradictory in believing in something that cannot be proved, and using irrational arguments to prove something in a rational exchange.
Richard Rorty has a great essay called 'Religion as a conversation stopper'- a conversation being the major form of communication and the backbone of civillisation, cannot be built around untrasmittable information. And when a fanatic meets a person open for knowledge you know who has the tool to stop the conversation.
I think most religions are terribly naive and generaly completely corrupted from the very beggining in their logic and approach. Those few mystical movements like the muslim sufi, the jewish kabbalists and the early christian 'fathers from the desert' emphasise the individual act and the fact that knowledge of 'the way' is not trnasmittable, while cuttin away all the dogma and the things that make a religion what it is - making it in fact a process of self discovery rather than vulgarizing the environment with fanaticism.
sic transit gloria mundi
Id hate to be the third voice of agreement but trobalov beckons.
Atheisms is as mathematically illogical as theism.
If god does exist then he ( notice he, a woman could never f uck things up like this) is the quintessential electron, a dot in a large cloud we cant pin point. the closest we can get, to continue the mathematical analogy, would be a probability.Thus, god is the electron in schrodingers famous equaitions. ie...we know that the (psi)^2 is there, but we dont know if the (psi) positive or negative, if it is real, or not.
( as we everythign else, i believe, or rather, i hold as having a high probability of truthfulness, that we dont know anything for certain, i guess that would make me a skeptic as well, hand me the barrel Diogenes
Boris
and yes, as an agnostic with atheist leaning, i think abut god all the time....i red a lot about him too, its a lot like the lone quest of the church fathers, except teh desert is my dorm, and instead of living on twigs and water i live on hummus and wine
He that will not reason is a bigot, He that cannot reason is a fool, He that dares not reason is a slave.
Civitate
I've yet to find an agnostic with a theist leaning...
Many people who choose to say that they are agnostics do so to avoid the hassle of the question:
"Can you prove that god does not exist?"
However, like i said before, this is a false question. The burden of proof is on the the proponents of an existing divinity. If by lack of proofs we have to accept an agnostic position, then that position must also be taken regarding other things, like ghosts, fairies, santa...
Yep, i have a temporary position of atheism, and i'm willing to review it at any time if new evidences are produced. Until then, "god/s" is/are an unecessary hypothesys to explain the universe.
"Yes, I rather like this God fellow. He's very theatrical, you know,
a pestilence here, a plague there... He's so deliciously evil."
Stewie, Family Guy
Totally, i hold god in the same light as teh toothfairyIf by lack of proofs we have to accept an agnostic position, then that position must also be taken regarding other things, like ghosts, fairies, santa...
unneccesary hypothesis indeed. Isnt also rather comfortable, i mean, if we all just took it "as is", we wouldnt have to think, or even wonder. Christian Theism in the form adopted formally by the church of Aquinas, is but an invitation to mental inertia, an intellectual cop-out of teh highest order.Yep, i have a temporary position of atheism, and i'm willing to review it at any time if new evidences are produced. Until then, "god/s" is/are an unecessary hypothesys to explain the universe.
I have to however, come to the defense of agnosticism.
1. Ive met plenty of agnostic with Theists leanings, in that they they want a god to exists and fin dthe idea not only palpatable but convinving. However, their intellegence ( and so far theve been very intelligent people) and reason betrays them.
2. Can you prove that the toothfairy does not exist? Nope, cant speak for ALL agnostics , but i dont want to jump to conclusions, not that i lack teh fortitude, but i dont fall into teh same trap theists do,they believe without proof, i will not disbelief with out a ppossibility of falsibility, however ludicrous the idea, it would betray my own sense of reason.
boris
He that will not reason is a bigot, He that cannot reason is a fool, He that dares not reason is a slave.
From what I'm reading (and correct me if I'm wrong), the existence of God is cannot be proven or disproven, but that instead we must judge his existence on probability.
Just trying to make sense of this.
Sejanus
That depends. You hav eto take into consideration the the word "PROOF" is very subjective. For some "people", the existence of scripture is "proof" enough, while you and I may find this laughable.
For others, sometimes no proof will subside, for we dont really beleive in any proof at all.
Even if we didi find some highly probable proof, we wouldnt know how to understand it. This is of course under the assumption, that god ir "IRRATIONAL", that is, he works outside teh bounds of reason. if god worked inside teh bounds of reason, then, of course, he could be dissproven easily
He that will not reason is a bigot, He that cannot reason is a fool, He that dares not reason is a slave.
You cannot believe in something that your mind can fully know and understand. Belief is by default a venture into the unknown.
A-theist means without god, whereas a-gnostic means more or less without knowledge or, to be more precise, refusing to know. So an agnostic is not someone who doesnt believe in God, she is rather someone who doesnt care to know if God exists or not, because she she deems it a waste of her precious time to bother over something so unnecessary. She is more of a follower of the famous advise given by Buddha to one of his students when asked whether god existed - 'You are like a man shot with a poisoned arrow, who instead of taking the offered remedy, wants first to know what color were the eyes of the archer'. In other words - who cares.
Apparently another way to find God is to take on the art of watching stones grow.
sic transit gloria mundi
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