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    CA Developer Icon Unit reveal: Theban Hippeus (Boiotian League)



    Our next Campaign Pack for ROME II - Wrath of Sparta will feature new unit rosters for its four playable factions to reflect the warfare of the Peloponnesian War. To mark the occasion we thought it would be nice to tell you a bit more of some of the elite units at your disposal. To kick things off we have the Theban Hippeus of the Boiotian League.


    "If we are victorious, the Peloponnesians, without the support of the Boiotian cavalry, will never invade our lands again."


    These were the words of the Athenian general Hippocrates to his men before the Battle of Delium against the Boiotian League. Led by the Thebans, the league was a confederation of city states, including Sparta, on the Greek mainland north west of Attica.


    Ironically it was the very cavalry that Hippocrates wanted to crush which brought about his defeat, in what was to be his last battle. The Theban General Pagondas had deployed his troops in an asymmetric line with heavy emphasis on his right flank where the Thebans faced off the Athenian forces. Pagondas’ hoplites were formed 25 rows deep as opposed to the usual eight. However, despite the advantage in numbers, the disciplined Athenian front line was holding.


    Meanwhile on Pagondas’ weaker left flank, the rest of the Boiotian allies were outmatched. But as the battle teetered on a knife-edge, the Theban general played his ace. He sent part of his cavalry around the hill behind the Boiotian army to support his left flank. When they seemingly appeared from nowhere and charged downhill to strike the enemy, the Athenian right was shocked into disarray and swiftly routed.


    The Theban Hippeis had effectively won the battle. Unsurprisingly, it was Thebes which produced Pelopidas, one of the first great Greek cavalry commanders, a few decades later, whose expertise inspired Phillip II and Alexander the Great himself.

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    Are you sure, you wanted to post this in the Attila section? xD
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    Yeah you may have posted to the wrong subforum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airkiller52 View Post
    Yeah you may have posted to the wrong subforum.
    Fixed.

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    Default Re: Unit reveal: Theban Hippeus (Boiotian League)

    The picture looks like its half a artwork and half a model

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linke View Post
    The picture looks like its half a artwork and half a model
    Blasphemy ! Its a in-game footage.

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    Mirin' that cuirass. Might have to get started on a Peloponnesian "Time Warp" mod soon.

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    Brah I'm mirin full homo

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    These were the words of the Athenian general Hippocrates to his men before the Battle of Delium against the Boiotian League. Led by the Thebans, the league was a confederation of city states, including Sparta, on the Greek mainland north west of Attica.


    You guys at CA have no idea what you're talking about,do you? Sparta was never a member of the Boeotian league.Sparta was the leading city-state of the Peloponnesian league during the Peloponnesian war.Even a sloppy/quick search at Wikipedia would confirm you that,but you didn't bother to do even that.

    This is literally the first sentence in Wikipedia:

    The Peloponnesian War (431–404 BC) was an ancient Greek war fought by Athens and its empire against the Peloponnesian League led by Sparta.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peloponnesian_War

    And people still wonder why there are no proper hoplite phalanx mechanics,animations and shields and no Syracuse on the map.
    Last edited by perifanosEllinas; December 08, 2014 at 08:01 PM.

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    Historically, CA is off to a very bad start here. Greek cavalry in this period simply wouldn't have been so heavily armored. These look like lancer/charging cavalry, and they wouldn't have carried a shield or an aspis which didn't really become widespread in Greece until after Alexander.

    But, at least they gave the Greeks beards, it looks like.


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    Quote Originally Posted by perifanosEllinas View Post


    You guys at CA have no idea what you're talking about,do you? Sparta was never a member of the Boeotian league.Sparta was the leading city-state of the Peloponnesian league during the Peloponnesian war.Even a sloppy/quick search at Wikipedia would confirm you that,but you didn't bother to do even that.

    This is literally the first sentence in Wikipedia:



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peloponnesian_War

    And people still wonder why there are no proper hoplite phalanx mechanics,animations and shields and no Syracuse on the map.
    This post makes my day. Whenever CA can be corrected to this extent says something about the direction CA is taking as a game maker if I can use that term. My anticipation for Atilla is waning when I see stuff like this.
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    HAHAHA, Sparta a member of the filthy THEBAN LEAGUE?


    DO YOU WANT TO DIE SLOWLY, HELOT?!

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    Just...wow. I don't even know what do say bout Spartans being Boeotians. Wonder if we'll get Vikings, nukes and Greek Orthodoxy in this expansion too like we will in February's expansion.

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    Good grief who wrote this?

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    Btw, I'm gonna bash more on this thread saying this (yes I'm evil, spartan cruelty for calling us boeotians) :


    Those "Boeotian Hippeis" look so generic, that if it wasnt for the thread giving them such name, they would be unrecognisable and could belong to any faction and be any unit. Put some damn uniqueness into them, add some plumes, ornamented ciurasses and proper shield patterns, this look mediocre if nothing below. They could be the macedonian companion cavalry or anything, there is nothing about that picture that tells me "that is a theban cavalryman".

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    He he, just some harmless comment here:

    - Firstly, no reins

    - The saddle looks conspiciously like the four-horned model invented by the Gauls and adopted by the Romans. Saddles were not widely used in the period of Peleponnesian war, and if they were, they were more likely to be of Scythian style.

    - This is still a matter of debate, but shields were not widely used by cavalrymen until the Successor period. The counter-argument is: riders began to adopt shield as development in saddle allow them better control of the horses, and the rider in the picture does use saddle.

    - I love the details of the Boeotian helmet and the shield rim Keep it coming

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    Quote Originally Posted by Achilles Lacedaemon View Post
    Btw, I'm gonna bash more on this thread saying this (yes I'm evil, spartan cruelty for calling us boeotians) :


    Those "Boeotian Hippeis" look so generic, that if it wasnt for the thread giving them such name, they would be unrecognisable and could belong to any faction and be any unit. Put some damn uniqueness into them, add some plumes, ornamented ciurasses and proper shield patterns, this look mediocre if nothing below. They could be the macedonian companion cavalry or anything, there is nothing about that picture that tells me "that is a theban cavalryman".
    Of course, how dare they look similiar to the barely known and some obscure unit like Companion Cavalry.

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    haha good shot Achilles, right in the ankle!.

    Seriouslt though!, the cover looks like someone gave up half way, kinda like cough* R2
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    I think it is some mistake on their part, either they wanted to pronounce that Sparta was also part of Pelopennesian league, or they wanted to mention another city. Because when you look at the mention NORTH-WEST OF ATTICA it can't be the Sparta (and as seen in game that Sparta localisation is more or less proper, I don't see the problem )

    But yeah mistake is mistake, and good for pointing that out
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    This unit has been in game since DEI mod was introduced and many other mods who have created similar greek units! Well done CA for creating a useless unit that you have stolen from another mod! Having no creativity and having to use other modders work is a really poor display on a lack of initiative from the employees, enough said.

    This unit is just a replicant of the Companian Cavalry unit in vanilla game!!
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