Faction Reveals Thread - Eastern Roman Empire

[warman222]

So I think given CA's plan on how they plan to reveal the playable factions I feel this deserves it's own thread. Why NO ONE has posted this news here is beyond me. They have released the first of their faction reveals: The Eastern Roman Empire! No doubt tying in to the recent trailer. it involves a screenshot showing a cataphract unit with both lances and bows. No idea how accurate that is but I don't care cause it looks pretty neat. Here's that aforementioned screenshot:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

And of course a link to the wiki page as well.

http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Total_War...n_Roman_Empire

Now another reason why this deserves it's own thread is what CA said on the Total War forums. They are going to be doing factions reveals EVERY WEEKDAY indefinitely. They didn't mention when they were going to stop. Here's a quote from there and a forum link:

Do you want to know more about the playable factions in Total War: ATTILA? Don't worry, we will be revealing one faction per weekday from now on and today we start with one of the most influential and powerful factions of time: the Eastern Roman Empire!

http://forums.totalwar.com/showthrea...action-Reveals

If this thread stays up I'll update this thread with every reveal they do. Pretty neat all things considered. (Please keep the discussion civil, PLEASE!)

[Linke]

Wait we get one every day? thats Awesome
and can someone please tell if those Clibanarii horse archers and those masks are accurate? becuase they look awesome as.

[b257]

The textures on the scale and lamellar needs improvement, looks fake, looks like plastic.

[Abdülmecid I]

Ok, I won't whine about historical accuracy, but still two rants: a) The models, like the horse armor look exactly like the ones of Rome 2, even NTW was much better than Empire in graphics. Sorry but it looks like a mod, not "a brand new addition to the series". b) Am I the only one who finds the soldier faces horrible? They are very detailed, but their shape is totally ridiculous, imo. I honestly prefer the faces of NTW, they were less detailed, but more human.

[warman222]

Also while I see your point about how technically ERE isn't a reveal, they had to start somewhere! I think it would be easier to get the ones we already know out of the way to make things better a few days later. Since after all the reveals are coming out more frequently we shouldn't have too much more redundancy going forward. Although I would be shocked if the reveal for tomorrow wasn't WRE but hey, I'd rather them get it out of the way now. Also it would be silly to have a factions page without the two Roman Empires, wouldn't it? Since technically the reveal is more just adding to the factions page.

[AnthoniusII]

So I think given CA's plan on how they plan to reveal the playable factions I feel this deserves it's own thread. Why NO ONE has posted this news here is beyond me. They have released the first of their faction reveals: The Eastern Roman Empire! No doubt tying in to the recent trailer. it involves a screenshot showing a cataphract unit with both lances and bows. No idea how accurate that is but I don't care cause it looks pretty neat. Here's that aforementioned screenshot:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

And of course a link to the wiki page as well.

http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Total_War...n_Roman_Empire

Now another reason why this deserves it's own thread is what CA said on the Total War forums. They are going to be doing factions reveals EVERY WEEKDAY indefinitely. They didn't mention when they were going to stop. Here's a quote from there and a forum link:



http://forums.totalwar.com/showthrea...action-Reveals

If this thread stays up I'll update this thread with every reveal they do. Pretty neat all things considered. (Please keep the discussion civil, PLEASE!)

The first horsemen capable to use all kind of weapons in Roman Army created by Belisarius with his famous Voukelarii (those that share the same food with their master).
But those men (strangely the 1st real native troops for a long time) created long after the Atilla game begins. Flavius Velisarius used for him and his Voukelarii white plumes to avoid messed up in the political strugles of the Constantinople that were created or supported by Venetoi and Prasinoi.
The question that remains is why those "wise" guys in CA insist to use the Palaeologian Aquilla instead of the clasic one!

[texoman81]

Also while I see your point about how technically ERE isn't a reveal, they had to start somewhere! I think it would be easier to get the ones we already know out of the way to make things better a few days later. Since after all the reveals are coming out more frequently we shouldn't have too much more redundancy going forward. Although I would be shocked if the reveal for tomorrow wasn't WRE but hey, I'd rather them get it out of the way now. Also it would be silly to have a factions page without the two Roman Empires, wouldn't it? Since technically the reveal is more just adding to the factions page.

Also the picture of ERE units clearly look like Sassanids not Romans. The split of the WRE and ERE just occurred, their armies were not instantly transformed into Eastern armies. In fact in 395 all Roman armies were in the West. Some of them didn't make it back east to chase off the huns until 398. Just more clues about how inaccurate this game is going to be. They actually made improvement in historical accuracy in R2 compared to R1 but they are going the opposite direction again now.

[LestaT]

If it stick with one faction per week then we probably will see all factions and not just playable ones. There will be a lot more weeks even if the game is going to be released in February. What's next ? WRE ?

p/s: can someone post what's been written from the wiki ? Can't access the wiki (and even official forum) from my office (though somehow TWC did get through. )

[LestaT]

Still, can someone post the actual 'article' ? Will be another 10-12 hours before I can get back home.

[Markas]

The first horsemen capable to use all kind of weapons in Roman Army created by Belisarius with his famous Voukelarii (those that share the same food with their master).

What do you mean? The Schola scutariorum clibanariorum were armed with bow, sword and Kontos, and far predated Belisarius. This unit is more likely to be them.

But those men (strangely the 1st real native troops for a long time) created long after the Atilla game begins. Flavius Velisarius used for him and his Voukelarii white plumes to avoid messed up in the political strugles of the Constantinople that were created or supported by Venetoi and Prasinoi.

But there's nothing to suggest these are those troops, unless you have some evidence.

The question that remains is why those "wise" guys in CA insist to use the Palaeologian Aquilla instead of the clasic one! What are the "preasures" CA has from west europe "interests" that prefer to show them selves un-educated rather to corect a simple mistake???

You can't be serious. You were already answered in this thread (which by the way, is utterly bizarre). The double-headed Eagle was not used solely after 1264 as you bizarrely claim and is perfectly acceptable without your recourse to odd conspiracy theories. The Strategicon tells us that each Tribune had a silk cape with the motif on. Add to that I guess CA wanted two separate eagle images for two separate factions.

It is, as you correctly say in your odd thread, just a game, and this-

The "Christianity" issue in the game -as previewed already- may promote religius hate in the real lives of the players!

Makes me think you really need to get things in perspective.

[IlluminatiRex]

The semantics of what counts as a reveal has nothing to do with the topic of the thread. As such, I'm requesting that you keep it on topic, which would be the content of the reveals themselves. Any comments or questions about moderation can go in the Moderation Commentary Thread, which is located here.

[LestaT]

Nope it's mean everyday

Thanks. What else is posted on the wiki ? I can't access them from my office. Another 6 hours maybe before I can get home.

[PointOfViewGun]

Because I value proper formatting.

Eastern Roman Empire

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“The division of the Roman Empire has unshackled the East, allowing it to take control of the Roman world. ”



The new administrative centre at Constantinople has allowed the Eastern Romans to replace the antiquated systems throttling the economy and enfeebling Rome’s Emperors. As a result, new trade networks and fiscal reforms fill its coffers, all run by a centralised bureaucracy and a powerful state church. The East has safely weathered the storm of barbarian migration, often by diverting them into the West. However, the young Emperor Arcadius will have to negotiate barbarian threats, court intrigues, and the ever-present Sassanid menace to ensure that the last light of the Roman Empire continues to burn.

While the Western Roman Empire ails and withers, the Eastern Roman Empire is an economic powerhouse, and reaps the benefits of this through treasury interest and trade tariffs. Militarily, she begins the campaign in a reasonably capable position, but with a clear and immediate threat as Alaric leads his Visigoth armies into Roman-held Thracia and Macedonia… mere regions away from Constantinople itself.

[Son of Horus]

Will definately be playing the ERE. Hopefully it will be a challenge to keep all those provinces at the start, and not a case of "drop the taxes, weather the sieges with garrisons". Mark Antony was my favourite Emperor Edition Roman Faction after all, although if the Armenians are still knocking about...

[AnthoniusII]

What we need to know:
1st: For laong time soldiers of both parts of the empire were of Germanic origin and not native ones!
They may used Roman equipment or/and tactics but Roman citizens were no longer the recruitment pool of both of Armies.
Example: Officer of infantry in Justinian's Era:

Watch carefully the "germanic" spears with the famous german (or later known also as slavic) spearhead!
Also nottice the Seax knife of that warrior!
The rest of his equipement is Roman of the 4th-6th century!
An other example: "German" officer of teh same era!

This guy also uses Frangiska axe exept the Seax knife!
The 1st real native Roman soldiers re-emerged under the will of Belisarius but not in the era of Attila game!
Banner man of Justinian Era:

Some one mentioned that East Roman troops (of that pic) look more or less like Sassanids!
Lets make this clear! Romans affected (in the east) by Parthians and later by Sassanids! In fact eastern Empire coppied several aspects from Sassanids!
The Roman Emperor was "King of Kings" just like the Sassanid Sachansach! The Roman cavalry adopted many tactics and equipment from Sassanids and much later from Avars!
I still don't get it why CA insists with the Palaelogian Aquilla instead of the Cloasic Aquilla for both Empires of it could use the XP sign (like the banner man) again for both empires!
Why CA tries so hard to show that Eastern Roman Empire was not Roman at all???
Gothic King of Spain:

Goths (espesialy in Italy but mostly in Spain) adopted much of the Roman administration system .
The Roman influence in his armor is the leather background of his "steppe" kind of lammelar cuirass!

[Totalheadache]

The textures on the scale and lamellar needs improvement, looks fake, looks like plastic.

My thoughts exactly. Think the same re Rome2 and am struggling to improve things...(using sweetfx etc).

What we need to know:
1st: For laong time soldiers of both parts of the empire were of Germanic origin and not native ones!
They may used Roman equipment or/and tactics but Roman citizens were no longer the recruitment pool of both of Armies.
Example: Officer of infantry in Justinian's Era:

Watch carefully the "germanic" spears with the famous german (or later known also as slavic) spearhead!
Also nottice the Seax knife of that warrior!
The rest of his equipement is Roman of the 4th-6th century!
An other example: "German" officer of teh same era!

This guy also uses Frangiska axe exept the Seax knife!
The 1st real native Roman soldiers re-emerged under the will of Belisarius but not in the era of Attila game!
Banner man of Justinian Era:

Some one mentioned that East Roman troops (of that pic) look more or less like Sassanids!
Lets make this clear! Romans affected (in the east) by Parthians and later by Sassanids! In fact eastern Empire coppied several aspects from Sassanids!
The Roman Emperor was "King of Kings" just like the Sassanid Sachansach! The Roman cavalry adopted many tactics and equipment from Sassanids and much later from Avars!
I still don't get it why CA insists with the Palaelogian Aquilla instead of the Cloasic Aquilla for both Empires of it could use the XP sign (like the banner man) again for both empires!
Why CA tries so hard to show that Eastern Roman Empire was not Roman at all???
Gothic King of Spain:

Goths (espesialy in Italy but mostly in Spain) adopted much of the Roman administration system .
The Roman influence in his armor is the leather background of his "steppe" kind of lammelar cuirass!

+rep! You only need look at the Anglo-Saxon armour as well. The Sutton Hoo helmet was a Sassanid copy I believe..

[Jokern]

I still don't get it why CA insists with the Palaelogian Aquilla instead of the Cloasic Aquilla for both Empires of it could use the XP sign (like the banner man) again for both empires!
Why CA tries so hard to show that Eastern Roman Empire was not Roman at all???

That's a fairly easy question to answer. To most people, the Eastern Roman Empire's most well-known symbol is the twin-headed eagle. It's only natural to use such a symbol people can easily recognize the faction at a glance. Doesn't really matter if the eagle was first used 900 years later to the large demographic who aren't history buffs.

I wouldn't say that CA are trying to make the ERE "not Roman". Though they might deviate a lot from each other much later, game developers have to take into account the gameplay versus historical accuracy. It would be boring from my point of view if the WRE and the ERE had copy-paste units. Giving the ERE a more "eastern flavor" helps differentiate the factions so that the player can feel he's not playing the same faction a little bit more to the right.

[Undeadsloth]

If there are people out there who are upset about the faction symbol, just mod it out with a symbol your more comfortable with (when and if modding tools come out).

[Doe3000]

Looks cool, although the masks on the Cataphracts look sort of chubby or warped.

[Undeadsloth]

Looks cool, although the masks on the Cataphracts look sort of chubby or warped.

This is the only mask that i've found that looks similar to the ones the cataphracts are wearing.