"FatherAnc" and "GeneralWithAncKilled" condition do not work

[gsthoed]

From docudemons:

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Identifier:              FatherAnc
Trigger requirements:    character_record
Parameters:              ancillary name
Sample use:              FatherAnc holy_grail
Description:             Test to see if character's father posses this ancillary
Battle or Strat:         Strat
Class:                   FATHER_ANC
Implemented:             Yes
Author:                  Grig
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Identifier:              GeneralWithAncKilled
Trigger requirements:    character_record
Parameters:              ancillary name
Sample use:              GeneralWithAncKilled holy_grail
Description:             Test to see if a general with specified ancillary was killed in the battle
Battle or Strat:         Both
Class:                   GENERAL_ANC_KILLED
Implemented:             Yes
Author:                  Grig

I tested mostly the "FatherAnc" condition, but I see that "GeneralWithAncKilled" condition works in the same way. The event I used in most tests was the "FatherDiesNatural" which was triggered both by death of old age and via kill_character DET_NATURAL.
Well, they do not work as described. They always returns false when I use an ancillary name and always true if I use ancillary type, regardless if this ancillary is relevant or not ("if "father" has this ancillary or any ancillary of this particular type or not).

Is there anyone that has these conditions work in the way they are described in docudemons?

[Withwnar]

I have it in my notes that GeneralWithAncKilled doesn't work. Somebody must have said it somewhere.

TATW uses quite a few FatherAnc conditions and always with FatherDiesNatural but I can't confirm either way if it works. However, there's nothing in the way that they're coded to prevent ALL children from getting the anc even though they are supposed to be unique items. I don't recall any reports like "I have two Nenya rings" so might suggest that the condition doesn't work.

Anyway, I just tried FatherAnc with a CharacterSelected EDA trigger: didn't work. I tried something similar in CS - in case it was an EDA issue only - and it didn't work there either. No log errors, just a silent fail.

Kingdoms grand campaign, crusades and tuetonic all use FatherAnc 24 times. Surely these are all broken then.

When you try TYPE it is probably an error (in the log too?) because there is no anc with such a NAME, and a condition that results in an error is treated as "true".

[Gigantus]

FatherAnc tests for the type, not the name - see here.

Edit: never mind - just confirmed that a non-existing type fires true as well.

[Titus le Chmakus]

GeneralWithAncKilled does not work, that is certain. Dunno for FatherAnc, never used it ...