A Band of Brothers (WH40K IG Discussion, Interest & OOC Thread) [Updated: 17/10/2014]

[Ace_General]

OOC: My unit is jumping as a battalion with grav suits to seize an airfield. Once the intial airfield is taken, Air mobile (think sorta like updated modern helicopter troops like eylesians), Gunships and CAS(close air support) and heavy direct fire support weapons and artillery along with fuel, ammunition, and mechanic units will be airlifted in to form a FOB (Foward Operating base) and Fire base

Oh, and also, as a sorta educational note, because not every studies these things like I do, there is 3 kinds of Airborne troops. First is traditional parachute airborne troops (or in this case grav chutes) that jump out of planes and on the ground serve as light infantry, very much like the WW2 82nd Airbone of Band of Brothers fame. Not in use very much these days for large scale landings, but used more for smaller operations and special forces.

The second is Airmobile or Air Cav airborne, flying around in Helicopters and with Helicopter gunships, like you see in Vietnam and in the movie apoycalpse now. These units pack alot of firepower and have good air support but are vunerable to AA fire to an extent
Here is the Air assault scene from Apoccaylpse now, in case anyone is European or something and hasnt seen it. Essentially you fly in and blow the living Bejeezus out of of the landing zone, and take out whatever objective or seize the terrain you need, then hop back on the choppers and go do it again


The third type is Mechanized Airborne, which only the soviets and later russians were crazy enough to do. Essentially, instead of using helicopters or fighting as light infantry, they drop the paratroopers with armored personal carriers and they rely on rather lightweight but powerful weapons like mortars, ATGMs, Automatic Grenade launchers, autocannons, MRLS systems, flamethrowers, and even a shoulder fired rocket that is something called thermobaric, which is like a flamethrower and a concussion grenade that collapses your lungs with the shockwaves, which is totally WH40k Grimdark

My unit is the first type of airborne and serves also as a special forces unit but is trained for all 3 types of operations, but at least for the setting of the game, most of the Vahallan units are trained to be mechanized Airborne, with some elite units having the first of 3-4 battalions being tradiontional parachute style troops to serve as pathfinders, recon troops, and as special forces for unconventional missions

[McScottish]

My unit is the first type of airborne and serves also as a special forces unit but is trained for all 3 types of operations, but at least for the setting of the game, most of the Vahallan units are trained to be mechanized Airborne, with some elite units having the first of 3-4 battalions being tradiontional parachute style troops to serve as pathfinders, recon troops, and as special forces for unconventional missions

Firstly, as long as most of them die it's fine.

Secondly, no.

Vallhallans are none of these things- they are ice-fighting specialists, mostly artillery and infantry. This is what they will be for this setting. I allow the battalion that your guy is in to be some form of 'special squad', but the rest of the regiments will not be.

If you want airborne troops, then go for the Elysians or Harakoni, do not start changing the lore itself to fit in with your plans.

Catachans are not armoured fists, Cadians are not Jungle specialists, and Vallhallans are not mechanised, airborne or special forces.

I'll allow your Captain's lot to be a 'prototype' battalion, but that is all.

Do not push this, or it will be over, for you, before it begins.

[Dirty Chai]

Suggestions of where the medic/field surgeon comes from?

[Ace_General]

Firstly, as long as most of them die it's fine.

Secondly, no.

Vallhallans are none of these things- they are ice-fighting specialists, mostly artillery and infantry. This is what they will be for this setting. I allow the battalion that your guy is in to be some form of 'special squad', but the rest of the regiments will not be.

But to make it make sense in the lore, rather the 9 Guards Airborne are light infantry/Recon unit with the 1st battalion trained for airborne operations and special forces training.

If you want airborne troops, then go for the Elysians or Harakoni, do not start changing the lore itself to fit in with your plans.

Catachans are not armoured fists, Cadians are not Jungle specialists, and Vallhallans are not mechanised, airborne or special forces.

I'll allow your Captain's lot to be a 'prototype' battalion, but that is all.

Do not push this, or it will be over, for you, before it begins.

I was just saying that given my reading of the universe, like from the Ciphas Cain books it would make sense for the Vallhallans to be mech airborne as the Vahallans actually moblized a fair ammount of Mech Infantry, Artillery, and armored regiments.

The Elysians and Hakranoi are more what I would call airmobile vs an actual paratrooper type unit

Though to have the regiment my dudes come from make sense, its more a light infantry/ recon unit that hast the 1st battalion that is experimentally given special forces and airborne training.

[McScottish]

Suggestions of where the medic/field surgeon comes from?

None, though I'd suggest taking a look at the list of Guard regiments and seeing which one(s) you like the flavour of.

If there aren't any...just make one up!

[Iron Aquilifer]

Ciphas Cain books it would make sense for the Vallhallans to be mech airborne as the Vahallans actually moblized a fair ammount of Mech Infantry, Artillery, and armored regiments.

The Elysians and Hakranoi are more what I would call airmobile vs an actual paratrooper type unit

The only time in the Ciphas Cain books we see them using aircraft is when they are initially deploying, from slow, lumbering dropships. In our reality I can see that being considered airmobile, but since it is the only way even armoured regiments are deployed, then I wouldn't exactly say that Valhallans are airborne specialists. Again in the Cain novels I don't actually recall them performing any great assault manouvers, let alone one with any air-support, like, at all.

As to Elysians not being actual paratroopers: you did say that they were actual paratroopers in the previous post, regarding Grav-chutes. Everything they have is small-arms/deployed in the initial drop, hence: paratroopers.

[Ace_General]

The only time in the Ciphas Cain books we see them using aircraft is when they are initially deploying, from slow, lumbering dropships. In our reality I can see that being considered airmobile, but since it is the only way even armoured regiments are deployed, then I wouldn't exactly say that Valhallans are airborne specialists. Again in the Cain novels I don't actually recall them performing any great assault manouvers, let alone one with any air-support, like, at all.

As to Elysians not being actual paratroopers: you did say that they were actual paratroopers in the previous post, regarding Grav-chutes. Everything they have is small-arms/deployed in the initial drop, hence: paratroopers.

I was under the impression the Elysians flew around in gunships and were really the only unit that really did airmobile ops. *Shrug* I guess I wasnt exactly right

IDK I wanted to make a company of Russian Paratroopers IN SPESSS because I just watched this movie about the VDV(Russian Airborne) in afghanistan

[Dirty Chai]

Perhaps the Minervans? The upcoming film "Fury" makes me interested in tanks.
Or perhaps Scintillians or Canticans or Maccabeans..

[Ace_General]

IDK, the whole Vahallan thing is very trope filled and contrived, I think Im gonna write backstory and lore of a world that was a colony of Vahalla but has its own backstory and culture and social attitutes that hew more closely to Russian culture and how man would be in the world of WH40k

IDK, the Vahallans are really just to..............American to really be something I would find interesting playing. Like having women serve in combat and not nearly religious or superstitious or drunk and far to progressive and positive and not having the right sense of humor.

[McScottish]

Perhaps the Minervans? The upcoming film "Fury" makes me interested in tanks.
Or perhaps Scintillians or Canticans or Maccabeans..

All pretty fine choices! Any of them would be exceptional troops, and well-selected, just pinning one down that is liked by you is the hard part.

IDK, the whole Vahallan thing is very trope filled and contrived, I think Im gonna write backstory and lore of a world that was a colony of Vahalla but has its own backstory and culture and social attitutes that hew more closely to Russian culture and how man would be in the world of WH40k

IDK, the Vahallans are really just to..............American to really be something I would find interesting playing. Like having women serve in combat and not nearly religious or superstitious or drunk and far to progressive and positive and not having the right sense of humor.

That's fine, then don't make them connected to the Valhallans at all. Just create your own regiment based around the ideas you have, there's no need for them to even be remotely alike to any existing regiment(s).

[Ace_General]

All pretty fine choices! Any of them would be exceptional troops, and well-selected, just pinning one down that is liked by you is the hard part.





That's fine, then don't make them connected to the Valhallans at all. Just create your own regiment based around the ideas you have, there's no need for them to even be remotely alike to any existing regiment(s).

Fair enough,

For the time being, Im going to call my homeworld Rodina. Thats gonna be a placeholder because in Slavic languages Rodina, which is usually translated but really means land of ones people, and actually predates the modern ideas about nationalism and has religous and cultural undertones. Reminds me of a conversation I had with a russian that Rodina doesnt mean motherland and that anyone can have one then we tried to figure out what mine would be and failed

Also watching videos about the Milita regiments in the Donbas sorta inspired what I want to do, and instead of having a bunch of men who from early adulthood wanted to be killing machines in the Gaurd, these were regular dudes who had war come to them and they had to learn to be warriors. That also to me makes them more human then a bunch of Stock, very Americanized Rah Rah soldiers.

I watched some videos about ISIS on the youtubes, and it almost seems their khronite cultists.

[Dirty Chai]

So I got Tapatalk thinking it might make it easier to post, but looks like it doesn't.

I really want to RP.. grrr!
We're like doing this awesome 40K D-Day invasion and I can't be involved yet

[Ace_General]

As long as it dosent anger the MODissariat, I think it would a smart move to post an add for this game in the WH40k subfora

Also, when is the new Gaunt's ghosts gonna come out?

[Ace_General]

So I got Tapatalk thinking it might make it easier to post, but looks like it doesn't.

I really want to RP.. grrr!
We're like doing this awesome 40K D-Day invasion and I can't be involved yet

Just be like a subordinate operator like Larkin or Mkoll or something

[Dirty Chai]

Using my neighbor's internet for an hour

[Dirty Chai]

Okay, so I couldn't get to the juicy parts in the time given to me, so I'll get those next time I get a chance.
For now, here ye are.

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Username: Bastard Feudalism


Character Name: Paul Wolfram


Former Regiment/Organisation: 3rd Maccabian Janissaries


Gender: Male

Origin: Agri-world of Vallenin


Age: 26


Rank, Career, and Skills: Sanctioned Psyker; ages 7-19 under the Scholastica Psykana; 2 years in Imperial Guard Psyker training; 5 years in the Gol'Ket Crusade.



Weapons: Psyker's staff, common knife & pistol;


Armour/Attire: Maccabian uniform & mask, adorned with runes and intricacies; with grey fatigues underneath.
A large coat is often over it all.


Equipment/Other: Rations, mess-kit, canteen, etc;


Physical Description: n/a


Mental Description/Personality: n/a


Background/History: n/a

Edit: It's not at all what I really want, so consider this probably an early draft.

[Narf]

Jaquelina Miratza Rosenkrantz, joined the The Scintillan Fusiliers at a young age. She's the fourth daughter of the Noble Family Rosenkrantz and was one of the few from Scintilla who joined out of a sense of duty. This decision was met with mixed responses from home some who applauded and some who felt it was a wrench in their plans for her future. But since she was the fourth daughter, and thus one of the children with little to inherit in the twisted web of Scintillan society. She was allowed to join, and was trained. When stationed in the Spinward Front she and her company was combined with one of Catachans. This was quite the culture shock to begin with, but over the months they found a great comradery which none would have expected nor wished for in the beginning. This lead a Maveric of a Commander to combine them permanently into a Special Operations Company, Specialized in going behind enemy lines, The Scintillian diciplin, training and resource prioritization, worked very well with the Catachans ingenuity, improvisation and ferocity- these things soon blended together to one unit, one style unique and apart from either of the two companies traditional styles taught from home. They became a unit used for three things there. As a key part of the Spinward Front war effort, they were used as a reconnaissance units allowing the army to scout out enemy movements and positions, their keen senses and training allowed them to swiftly ambush enemy patrols attempting to do the same. Due to their role, this reconnaissance unit invariably operated far ahead of the army commanders, requiring considerable autonomy and personal initiative, traits that breed a strong sense of daring and recklessness. They became particularly valued since the normal reconnaissance units from the Catachans displayed all the typical ill-discipline, that such autonomy normally breeds. But in her unit it was the qualities of both worlds, a reconnaissance unit that was disciplined, unorthodox and effective, they were considered a invaluable assets to any army commander. Furthermore they came to be used as a linchpin units in some strategies, a hunter-killer unit which in city or forest terrain packed a deceptively heavy
firepower, also used to linger behind the front lines until called upon, then pushing forward quickly to strike down priority targets in support of the rank-and-file. Many hunter-killer units develop a hero mentality from their exploits, dealing the killing blow to enemy after enemy, and so outsiders tend to regard them as glory-seeking mavericks. Which strongly became the case with these, atleast by the other Scintillian Guards, who looked upon the unit with disdain and perhaps a bit of envy. They did not understand how high-born scintillians could work with the likes of the Catachans. And least of all in the muddied situations they did so in. On the Catachans side the unit was seen with less disregard, though they found their fellow Catachans to be needlessly neat and cautious for their role, though could not argue with their results. The truth was it was no longer a Unit of Catachans and Scintillians it was something singular and new.

When the Gol'ket Sectors request of reinforcements arrived to Scintillia they could neither decline nor send their beloved troops. As they rarely deployed them far from Scintilla, and when they did it was in the softest and most luxurious billets available in the theatre. Of which there were none in Gol'ket. It was therefore it came to be her unit that was send, a unit not entirely of Scintillians and one that had distanced itself for their norms already. In Gol'ket they became known for many of the same things as they had been in the Spinward Front, a regiment skilled at surviving in the wilderness, and its soldiers masters of operating in forest or city terrain. Hunters and trackers almost without peer, there are few who could escape their pursuit. Rosenkrantz became known as The Bloody Rose as she earned some infamy and fame over the course of their exploits. The regiment’s warriors are vicious up close, deadly in melee as well as at range. Armed with the tools of their grim trade, they are not afraid to face their enemies in single combat, and feel the hot blood of the freshly-slain on their skin. Because of this they came to be seen as slightly mad due to the fact that their enemies are Orcs, enemies one only engaged in physical combat if one had a particular death-wish. They were though, very effective even considering the grand difference in physiology between humans and Orcs. This Regiment had become uniquely armed due to to the connections of the Scintillians, and the passed on skills from the Catachans, aswell as the skill they had developed in unison. The Scintillians has had long ties with the Adeptus Mechanicus, and though not privy to the many secrets of that organisation, they willingly accept the wisdom of the Priests of Mars. As a testament to this unity, the regiment’s warriors are well provisioned and sport many more bionics and augments than is typically the case, with veterans often sporting bionics to replace organs and limbs lost to the horrors of their particular style of warfare. The regiment’s duties require them to move unseen across the battlefield(forest/city), and for this reason, they have been equipped with colour-shifting chameleoline, which helps them blend in with their surroundings. Due to the Scintillians in the regiment, The regiment has been marked as a supply priority by the Munitorum, keeping them well-supplied with ammunition, food, medical equipment, and other consumables. Due to their reletively low numbers and the low numbers of Scintillians on the front lines as these this is no strain though. The Catachans before joining with the Skintillians had been in the Fungus jungles of Thrax and fought the orcs there. Experience that now came to good use again.

Equipment list: 1 Good Craftsmanship lascarbine and 6 charge packs, 1 Best Craftsmanship laspistol and 4 charge packs, 2 Best Craftsmanship power-swords, 1 Good Craftsmanship knife, 1 suit of Best Craftsmanship ornamented light carapace armour, 3 frag grenades, 2 smoke grenades, 1 anointed maintenance kit, 1 set of field gear (dress uniform, poor weather gear, rucksack, basic tool kit, mess kit and water canteen, blanket and sleep bag, rechargeable lamp–pack, grooming kit, dog tags, Imperial Infantryman’s Uplifting Primer, 6 weeks’ rations), 1 gas mask, 1 searchlight.

The Units Primary goal in the current war have been to ambush Orc supply trains, explosives mostly, which often ruins one stealth, and then taking out the survivors. They way they do this is duel-wielding power-swords wearing a simplified light version of Scintillian Carapace Armour. Their response with chargin the attacking Orcs in melee rarely fail to surprise the Orcs. 'Umies attakun mele?!

They are The Red Devils, For they always return from combat with a gruesome amount of blood-spatter, be it from melee, blood spewn from their explosive charges or grenades, it dosn't really matter. But that the origins of their nickname.

Not yet entirely accepted!

[Ace_General]

Jaquelina Miratza Rosenkrantz, joined the The Scintillan Fusiliers at a young age. She's the fourth daughter of the Noble Family Rosenkrantz and was one of the few from Scintilla who joined out of a sense of duty. This decision was met with mixed responses from home some who applauded and some who felt it was a wrench in their plans for her future. But since she was the fourth daughter, and thus one of the children with little to inherit in the twisted web of Scintillan society. She was allowed to join, and was trained. When stationed in the Spinward Front she and her company was combined with one of Catachans. This was quite the culture shock to begin with, but over the months they found a great comradery which none would have expected nor wished for in the beginning. This lead a Maveric of a Commander to combine them permanently into a Special Operations Company, Specialized in going behind enemy lines, The Scintillian diciplin, training and resource prioritization, worked very well with the Catachans ingenuity, improvisation and ferocity- these things soon blended together to one unit, one style unique and apart from either of the two companies traditional styles taught from home. They became a unit used for three things there. As a key part of the Spinward Front war effort, they were used as a reconnaissance units allowing the army to scout out enemy movements and positions, their keen senses and training allowed them to swiftly ambush enemy patrols attempting to do the same. Due to their role, this reconnaissance unit invariably operated far ahead of the army commanders, requiring considerable autonomy and personal initiative, traits that breed a strong sense of daring and recklessness. They became particularly valued since the normal reconnaissance units from the Catachans displayed all the typical ill-discipline, that such autonomy normally breeds. But in her unit it was the qualities of both worlds, a reconnaissance unit that was disciplined, unorthodox and effective, they were considered a invaluable assets to any army commander. Furthermore they came to be used as a linchpin units in some strategies, a hunter-killer unit which in city or forest terrain packed a deceptively heavy
firepower, also used to linger behind the front lines until called upon, then pushing forward quickly to strike down priority targets in support of the rank-and-file. Many hunter-killer units develop a hero mentality from their exploits, dealing the killing blow to enemy after enemy, and so outsiders tend to regard them as glory-seeking mavericks. Which strongly became the case with these, atleast by the other Scintillian Guards, who looked upon the unit with disdain and perhaps a bit of envy. They did not understand how high-born scintillians could work with the likes of the Catachans. And least of all in the muddied situations they did so in. On the Catachans side the unit was seen with less disregard, though they found their fellow Catachans to be needlessly neat and cautious for their role, though could not argue with their results. The truth was it was no longer a Unit of Catachans and Scintillians it was something singular and new.

When the Gol'ket Sectors request of reinforcements arrived to Scintillia they could neither decline nor send their beloved troops. As they rarely deployed them far from Scintilla, and when they did it was in the softest and most luxurious billets available in the theatre. Of which there were none in Gol'ket. It was therefore it came to be her unit that was send, a unit not entirely of Scintillians and one that had distanced itself for their norms already. In Gol'ket they became known for many of the same things as they had been in the Spinward Front, a regiment skilled at surviving in the wilderness, and its soldiers masters of operating in forest or city terrain. Hunters and trackers almost without peer, there are few who could escape their pursuit. Rosenkrantz became known as The Bloody Rose as she earned some infamy and fame over the course of their exploits. The regiment’s warriors are vicious up close, deadly in melee as well as at range. Armed with the tools of their grim trade, they are not afraid to face their enemies in single combat, and feel the hot blood of the freshly-slain on their skin. Because of this they came to be seen as slightly mad due to the fact that their enemies are Orcs, enemies one only engaged in physical combat if one had a particular death-wish. They were though, very effective even considering the grand difference in physiology between humans and Orcs. This Regiment had become uniquely armed due to to the connections of the Scintillians, and the passed on skills from the Catachans, aswell as the skill they had developed in unison. The Scintillians has had long ties with the Adeptus Mechanicus, and though not privy to the many secrets of that organisation, they willingly accept the wisdom of the Priests of Mars. As a testament to this unity, the regiment’s warriors are well provisioned and sport many more bionics and augments than is typically the case, with veterans often sporting bionics to replace organs and limbs lost to the horrors of their particular style of warfare. The regiment’s duties require them to move unseen across the battlefield(forest/city), and for this reason, they have been equipped with colour-shifting chameleoline, which helps them blend in with their surroundings. Due to the Scintillians in the regiment, The regiment has been marked as a supply priority by the Munitorum, keeping them well-supplied with ammunition, food, medical equipment, and other consumables. Due to their reletively low numbers and the low numbers of Scintillians on the front lines as these this is no strain though. The Catachans before joining with the Skintillians had been in the Fungus jungles of Thrax and fought the orcs there. Experience that now came to good use again.

Equipment list: 1 Good Craftsmanship lascarbine and 6 charge packs, 1 Best Craftsmanship laspistol and 4 charge packs, 2 Best Craftsmanship power-swords, 1 Good Craftsmanship knife, 1 suit of Best Craftsmanship ornamented light carapace armour, 3 frag grenades, 2 smoke grenades, 1 anointed maintenance kit, 1 set of field gear (dress uniform, poor weather gear, rucksack, basic tool kit, mess kit and water canteen, blanket and sleep bag, rechargeable lamp–pack, grooming kit, dog tags, Imperial Infantryman’s Uplifting Primer, 6 weeks’ rations), 1 gas mask, 1 searchlight.

The Units Primary goal in the current war have been to ambush Orc supply trains, explosives mostly, which often ruins one stealth, and then taking out the survivors. They way they do this is duel-wielding power-swords wearing a simplified light version of Scintillian Carapace Armour. Their response with chargin the attacking Orcs in melee rarely fail to surprise the Orcs. 'Umies attakun mele?!

They are The Red Devils, For they always return from combat with a gruesome amount of blood-spatter, be it from melee, blood spewn from their explosive charges or grenades, it dosn't really matter. But that the origins of their nickname.

Not yet entirely accepted!

Interesting, seems to be a pretty kick ass unit. Will be interesting to see how they interact with the Destanikii of the Rodinan Special Purpose regiment. They seem very gung-ho and glory seeking and whatnot. IDk I think our units will get along if we both get wasted and get in some drunken shennanigans, then sit around and make creative insults about other regiments lack of genitalia or sexuality

Also, I would like to create a Company ToE (table of equipment) and parent regimental doctrine. Would weapons like RPG style rocketlaunchers with varying heads(AP, Frag, Themobaric, under slug rifle and automatic grenade launchers, an ATGM team, 1 HMG (Heavy machinegun) per Platoon (though placed into a weapons company), and a LMG and 2 SAWS. Nothing to high tech, but alot of Dakka.

The idea being the Rodinans are a rather industiralized world that create large Motorized Rifle regiments with ample artillery and armor support with the emphsis being on massed firepower and shock. And the regiment my guys come from is spec ops/airborne shock troops, and make up for not having tanks or APCs or having artillery support in the Area of operations by having alot of infantry support weapons, better training, and a very offensive mindset among the officer corps

If I was to sum up the doctrine it would be: Surprise, Shock, Violence of Action, intensity, determination. Like you come in from an unexpected direction or at an unexpected time and attack with such ferocity and ordinance in as small a place as possible and in as short time as possible to gain the initiative from the enemy. Then when you have that initative, you press that advantage as much as possible and keep on the offensive using firepower and shock and a high temp of operations to destroy the foe and take whatever the objective is.

Actually alot of this is coming out of US Marine Corps and Soviet Tactical doctrine

Plus, unless in combat my dudes will always be wearing dope Aquamarine berets and everyone at the rank of Sgt. or Above will have huge peaked caps and big bouie knife combat blades on them at all time. And when not under a direct ground assult, they will always be brewing strong dark heavily sugared tea and squating and making dirty jokes and insults about other regiments and officers and singing sad songs on beat up gitaurs. Also, they have a reputation for getting absolutely blasted and raising hell behind the lines

So to give a ToE for a Squad
12 men

Rifle Squad
1sr fireteam(support section)
-1 Squad leader (sgt.)
-1 Medium machinegun/auto-lasgun
-1 Designated marksmen(a full length higher powered lasrifle with a scope and Semi auto only or a semi automatic autogun)
-1 RPG/rocketlauncher trooper

2nd Fireteam
-1 Fireteam leader/secondary squad leader (lascarbine)
-1 Automatic Rifleman(heavy barreled large capcity autolasgun)
-1 Grenadier Rifleman(Lascarbine with under barrel greand launcher)
-1 Rifleman (lascarbine with bayonet, explosive charges

3rd fireteam same as the one before

Platoon
3 rifle squads, + command and support squad

Command and support squad
1 Platoon Commander (Lt.) (lascarbine, )
1 Platoon Sargeant(combat shotgun, submachinegun, chainsword)
1 Radioman(lascarbine)
2 man Heavy Stubber team(I.E. think like a .50 cal)
1 Flamer
2 man Automatic Grenade launcher team(idk its sorta like a bolter, but with bigger less complicated more explosive rounds like this

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Combat medic

[McScottish]

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[Zectorman]

@McScottish

HmmMMM?!?!?