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    Default Re: Official complaint thread for Total War : Attila

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostam_e_Iran View Post
    Disappointing to say the least. You'd think a company that makes historical strategy games would be a little bit more informed than this. I'm afraid CA have already satisfied their primary customer base, Europeans, and that's all they need to do. It'a a shame really because this sort of games attracts young players and could potentially inspire them to focus their interest in History studies. I say this because my own son (8 years old) who would sometimes be allowed to play the original Rome1 has developed a great fascination with all the different soldiers and factions of that time frame.

    So there will be many who will not get an accurate depiction of the Sassanids Persian and other eastern factions for that matter and instead will get a stereotypical portray created by CA, for some it will be the first time they see or hear about the Sassanind Persian and it saddens me that this is what they will experience.

    Our hopes rest with the infinitely more talented modders out there to correct this Insult to such a great and influential super power of it's day. This goes to show that eastern stereotype is deeply embedded in the western psyche and is worse than I previously thought, because if a gaming company who focuses on history can't get it right what hope is there for the average player? This just cements the poor attitudes to the middle east. I don't blame west though, let's face it, we have the 1400 year old, outdated ideology to thank for this.

    Is it really surprising at this point though? I mean in Rome 2 we had a random assortment of Punic, Mesopotamian and Ethiopian names for the Arabs who didn't even have any facial hair.

    The entire map past Europe was labelled "Eastern" and given the exact same rosters as Persian client states except for a few unique units that were added later on. Playing in the East on ROME 2 was fighting a bunch of levy spearmen in bright pink pyjamas and from what we've seen so far it will probably be the same in Attila. and hey I am not from the camp of people who complain about everything but CA has been too lazy here, at least put their names in the right languages it's not that hard!

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    Default Re: Official complaint thread for Total War : Attila

    Quote Originally Posted by Karnil Vark Khaitan View Post
    sounds like a complaint to me.
    6: Can Attila game users expect a modding tool like the one CA promised but never gave to Rome II ones?
    7: Can you ensure players that large or minor factions wont die from starvation like in Rome II?
    8: Can you ensure Attila players that every faction will be able to trade no matter if it has a port near to its capital or not and avoid Rome II Sparta case ???
    9: Can we expect see more variety on skins of armors, hosres etc? If not why?
    10: Can CA ensure Attila buyers that they will not need an entire year to see a game close to what CA promises?
    Sound like info requests!
    Unless TWC staff wants to disapear "unpleasant" threads from public hiding them in huge threads!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthoniusII View Post
    Sound like info requests!
    Unless TWC staff wants to disapear "unpleasant" threads from public hiding them in huge threads!
    Just a thought!
    Here is a thought, you got good points, but it is your tone.

    Criticism is already hard to listen to, and making it harder if the tone is unfriendly.

    And I am sure that thread would not have been removed if, it was a friendlier tone, but that is just me.

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    Default Re: Official complaint thread for Total War : Attila

    Quote Originally Posted by Karnil Vark Khaitan View Post
    Here is a thought, you got good points, but it is your tone.

    Criticism is already hard to listen to, and making it harder if the tone is unfriendly.

    And I am sure that thread would not have been removed if, it was a friendlier tone, but that is just me.
    My friend the essense here in TWC is the interests of TW fans , as customers, players and modders!
    My tone of critisism must not be the major issue here.
    I beg CA members to give us some basic info and explain us few things that for more than a year started hard debates with no actuall answers!
    Its time CA to grab this opportunity and turn my "negative" tone and critisism to its favor by answering simple questions we all have.
    It would be my sutisfaction to learn by the most official lips , info that would make us all happy no matter if many would then accuse me for being biased.
    I have explained douzens of times that critisism has nothing personal to CA members but its our tool to show them weak points the game we so love , have!
    If we would always say "everything is perfect" then games would be in attari ('80s) standards even today! Our obligations is to "guide" CA developers to make even better games that we will love to buy again and again as most of us proved so far! Even when there are issues that technology of the time can not solve, a simple and detailess explaination by an official would offer the company a very possitive impact to the trust of the customers that they will feel that have been not be ignored!
    So forget my posting style! I may be a crazy guy or even something worst! Focus on the matters TW fans ask for clarifications and solutions. After all its the love of these games and the love and respect of this spesific community that make people like me insist to ask questions!
    TGC in order to continue its development seak one or more desicated scripters to put our campaign scripts mess to an order plus to create new events and create the finall missing factions recruitment system. In return TGC will give permision to those that will help to use its material stepe by step. The result will be a fully released TGC plus many mods that will benefit TGC's material.
    Despite the mod is dead does not mean that anyone can use its material
    read this to avoid misunderstandings.

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    Default Re: Official complaint thread for Total War : Attila

    Quote Originally Posted by AnthoniusII View Post
    My friend the essense here in TWC is the interests of TW fans , as customers, players and modders!
    My tone of critisism must not be the major issue here.
    I beg CA members to give us some basic info and explain us few things that for more than a year started hard debates with no actuall answers!
    Its time CA to grab this opportunity and turn my "negative" tone and critisism to its favor by answering simple questions we all have.
    It would be my sutisfaction to learn by the most official lips , info that would make us all happy no matter if many would then accuse me for being biased.
    I have explained douzens of times that critisism has nothing personal to CA members but its our tool to show them weak points the game we so love , have!
    If we would always say "everything is perfect" then games would be in attari ('80s) standards even today! Our obligations is to "guide" CA developers to make even better games that we will love to buy again and again as most of us proved so far! Even when there are issues that technology of the time can not solve, a simple and detailess explaination by an official would offer the company a very possitive impact to the trust of the customers that they will feel that have been not be ignored!
    So forget my posting style! I may be a crazy guy or even something worst! Focus on the matters TW fans ask for clarifications and solutions. After all its the love of these games and the love and respect of this spesific community that make people like me insist to ask questions!
    Yes, you asked some "questions", but it came across as complaints or more accurately as rhetorical questions.

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    Default Re: The forgotten promises of Rome II in Attila

    The game is slotted to be released next month. I don't think they're going to be hashing things out much more than they already have, so if any of your suggestions aren't already features in the game thus far, they probably won't be added at so late a date. The developers are probably just wrapping things up at this point.

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    Default Re: Total War: Attila - Pictures and Videos thread

    I agree with you Brivime. This is getting ridiculous. The axum, himyar and armenian leader share the same models and accents, and those units...

    I hope moders will fix this mess !

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    Default Re: The forgotten promises of Rome II in Attila

    The 2nd paragraph of GussieFinkNottle is about features that should have been in R2. At least I remember the emotional interaction and storyline from age old announcements.
    Its funny because even some things that could have been in R2, could not be implemented in Attila.

    This thread could gain even more examples of forgotten promises, if one wanted to look through all the official speeches pre-R2 release which are still available on the internet.

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    Default Re: Total War: Attila - Pictures and Videos thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BalrogOfMorgoth View Post
    I agree with you Brivime. This is getting ridiculous. The axum, himyar and armenian leader share the same models and accents, and those units...

    I hope moders will fix this mess !
    Is there a link showing Axum on the campaign map? If its true what you say then i can only say: What an insult. Axum, one of the mightiest empires of its time has to share models with cultures which dont even have the same skin-colour and also have culturally almost nothing in common with it. On the campaignmap i also see no Adulis (The most important harbour in the Red Sea and one of the most important in the world).
    The ignorance towards Africa still goes on, and i am sure it wont change after Attila as there are way too few people who actually care. Its really depressing...
    Last edited by LinusLinothorax; January 20, 2015 at 05:05 PM.

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    Default Re: The forgotten promises of Rome II in Attila

    Quote Originally Posted by Roma_Victrix View Post
    The game is slotted to be released next month. I don't think they're going to be hashing things out much more than they already have, so if any of your suggestions aren't already features in the game thus far, they probably won't be added at so late a date. The developers are probably just wrapping things up at this point.
    Perhaps because Attila is based on Rome II, they still have some early coding that might be compatible. Rome II certainly saw some big feature improvements in patching e.g. seasons, politics. At least, I hope they come back to these ideas in the future of the TW franchise, because they would make a pretty stupendous game.
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    Default Re: The forgotten promises of Rome II in Attila

    Quote Originally Posted by GussieFinkNottle View Post
    ........features include some originally expected to be in Rome II, such as:
    -The 'darker vision' of war, and dynamic fire raging across cities like in the original Carthage demo
    -Civilians (implied in Carthage screenshots)
    -Well-implemented politics
    -RPG generals
    -religion
    -deeper diplomacy involving the personalities of faction leaders as well as faction characteristics
    -Specialised agents
    -Emotional interaction, such as a centurion giving his men a word of encouragement before the drawbridge of a siege tower goes down, or soldiers recoiling in horror when the man next to them is struck by an arrow
    -Facial Expressions, including speech animations and expressions of terror, anger and the like, rather than the simple mouth-opening-and-closing yelling animation that is in Rome II
    -Spying giving diplomatic insight e.g. they want something of yours so are preparing to attack or will agree to a trade deal since they are interested in your glassware
    -A branching 'storyline' for the game, so dilemma choices can have consequences that echo down the ..........
    Very true, GussieFinkNottle !
    Last week I was looking back at those advertised elements of Rome 2 and I recognized all these things you listed. I'm with you in this request at CA.

    Good thread (+rep.)
    Last edited by Celtoi; January 20, 2015 at 09:33 PM. Reason: Txt format

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    Default Re: Total War: Attila - Pictures and Videos thread

    @ Brivime, I really hope those are placeholders, I too did not like what I saw in-game videos of the Middle East, Caucasia and Africa. If it remains it is extremely lazy and undermining.

    @ LinusLinothorax, Nobatia and the Axumites appear to have eastern faction leaders in-game. Also judging from the map Ethiopia has 3 city regions, I assume is Pachoras, Andulis (the one on the coast not far from Axum) and Axum.

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    Default Re: The forgotten promises of Rome II in Attila

    This would be great for everyone who owns R2. I just don't see it happening in case it diminishes sales of Attila.

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    Default Re: The forgotten promises of Rome II in Attila

    Quote Originally Posted by GussieFinkNottle View Post
    Which leads me to the point of this thread. If on release Attila is intended to be a heavily polished version of Rome II, I suggest CA works towards implementing the other things that were planned for Rome II but didn't make the cut, to really make this game the best it could be. Other trumpeted features Rome II was going to have:
    -Emotional interaction, such as a centurion giving his men a word of encouragement before the drawbridge of a siege tower goes down, or soldiers recoiling in horror when the man next to them is struck by an arrow
    -Facial Expressions, including speech animations and expressions of terror, anger and the like, rather than the simple mouth-opening-and-closing yelling animation that is in Rome II
    -Spying giving diplomatic insight e.g. they want something of yours so are preparing to attack or will agree to a trade deal since they are interested in your glassware
    -A branching 'storyline' for the game, so dilemma choices can have consequences that echo down the course of the campaign, creating new future dilemmas. In Rome II this ended up being replaced with chapters with monetary incentives, rather than alternatives
    In terms of battle I would place far less emphasis on things like facial expressions, raging fires and combat animations, and much more emphasis on battle tactics and strategy using greater numbers of units, and the physics of their interactions including stamina. The battlefields need some work as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackberryalpha View Post
    Hearing the Rome 2 horns in Attila makes me cry a little. The same with the voice acting coming from the units and sound effects. It's going to constantly painfully remind me of Rome 2.
    Good point. The exact same TWR2 dialog and battle sounds in Attila are impossible not to notice in the CA streams and damages immersion, imo. Seriously the sound of Mark Strong's voice at this point is like hearing a fingernail dragged across a chalk board.

    At some point watching people play through this game, you begin to wonder what the $45 is for exactly -- is it fire? family tree? the horde mechanic?
    Last edited by Huberto; January 21, 2015 at 07:15 AM.

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    Default Re: A number of simple questions to Attila developers.

    [QUOTE=AnthoniusII;14317931
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    5: Why CA insists to completly ignore history since it provides us a game BASED on hstory?
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    They have not chosen to completely ignore history... they maybe missed a few things big deal...
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    Default Re: Official complaint thread for Total War : Attila

    According the TW ATTILA king of Kartli is Osaces, who was the Parthian general in the 1st c. AD (But we are dealing with the 4th and 5th cc in Attila TW). See the video, 4:02 minute

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCCTV48jfuM

    But in reality, the king of Kartli/Iberia was Pharsman. see my thread here in this forum

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...n-in-Attila-TW
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    Default Re: Total War: Attila - Pictures and Videos thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowMassa View Post
    Nobatia and the Axumites appear to have eastern faction leaders in-game. Also judging from the map Ethiopia has 3 city regions, I assume is Pachoras, Andulis (the one on the coast not far from Axum) and Axum.
    Yes, i checked the map again and now i see the other region beside Aksum, which is probably Adulis. However, Nobatia and Aksum with "Eastern" faces is still retarded and ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LinusLinothorax View Post
    Yes, i checked the map again and now i see the other region beside Aksum, which is probably Adulis. However, Nobatia and Aksum with "Eastern" faces is still retarded and ignorant.

    Getting something wrong that only about handful of people would notice is not ignorance to me. Ignorance to me is using the word retarded to directly insult a company for not caring about that asinine detail. Cry me a river.
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    Default Re: Total War: Attila - Pictures and Videos thread

    Quote Originally Posted by warman222 View Post
    Getting something wrong that only about handful of people would notice is not ignorance to me. Ignorance to me is using the word retarded to directly insult a company for not caring about that asinine detail. Cry me a river.
    How is making black Africans look Middle Eastern a small asinine detail a handful of people will notice?

    Do these people look like they are from the horn of Africa to you?



    I am hoping this is just a place-holder and the same case for the Sassanids because I refuse to believe CA would make a mistake this huge.
    Last edited by Brivime; January 22, 2015 at 08:31 PM.

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