Manpower

[BlueSan]

is there anything that can be done in RTW II about the men power and provinces regions not having infinite number of men. When you recruit your units just like in RTW I population or rather the pool of recruitment drops in numbers. Thus you are careful what and how much you are recruiting in your regions and also negatively effecting your economy as a result.

If there is anything of this sort already done i apologize in advance

[Barune]

Dresden has been unable to figure out a way to implement this into R2TW. Still searching for Ideas.

[Maetharin]

how about upping the upkeep cost while a unit is not in the patrol region stance

[BlueSan]

I see. One of the options would be that getting troops in a region has negative effects on growth itself and perhaps a bit on the economy of the region as well. It would definitely raise up questions about where to recruit and how many

[Alu10]

Is there a way to delete population surplus so the city wont have all slots if you murder the population, that would be a good one... I wished there was a - growth implemented so it actually reduces the population surplus, so when it gets to - x the city gets smaller or something like that... (atm it just stays at 0)

[alvaro1992]

Is there a way to tweak the population system in rome 2 so it works like in rome 1? Increasing the population generated by turn with real numbers and giving armies in muster mode a negative growth in the province or something.

[Baltizar]

war there not a mod that implemented manpower for Napoleon total war using scripts and percentage of population

[dbX7]

YES, please....proper population system...will CA ever listen??

[BlueSan]

Looks like Mitch implemented menpower in his mod

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...anpower-System


You know what you have to do right. Jump on the bandwagon asap

[Takarazuka]

Yea... like Dresden said... Mitch is a some sort of wizard. That is amazing.

[Dresden]

He is truly at a genius level while I am still playing with toys in a corner.

I was talking with Litharion just the other day about doing some sort of population system but all of our ideas were nothing compared to that. It will be a true masterpiece when Mitch releases it. It sounds like he will be open to having it used in other mods.

[Zonac]

Please integrate that mechanic (if it is working properly+ is balanced ) with 1.0!! I don't care if the realese need 6 month more or so, because it would be totaly awesome to see a manpower system coming allong with the new battlebalance

[Dresden]

Assuming he releases it, we get permission, and we are able to properly incorporate it. I think it is a no-brainer.

[Litharion]

of course this has to be part of DeI

[Maetharin]

well maybe it will be something universally compatible like his guaranteed major empires mod, this way it wouldn´t have to be incorporated just one little tick in the mod manager and fun ensures xD

[Dresden]

It will have to be customized somewhat because all of our units and sizes will have to be entered. We always wanted to have a population system in the mod so hopefully he will allow it to be used by other mods.

[Maetharin]

hey dresden, as far as i know, mitch wrote that the first version of the mod wouldn´t differentiate between native and conquering manpower, so i think at least in the beginning, how about only applying the manpower system to core units, and AoR Units only use the current restrictions available?

[Alu10]

i dont see a reason why he wouldnt allow DeI to use his system. His work will make alot of players happy + he gets reputation, unless he wants to contend with DeI making his own thing, there is nothing against allowing dei to use it.

[Furgon]

Assuming he releases it, we get permission, and we are able to properly incorporate it.

It will have to be customized somewhat.

From reading him I got an idea that his exact intention is to provide as many modders\players as possible with the new basic mechanic as well as all the necessary tools to incorporate and customise it. So that it'll come a universally accepted basic aspect of most mods and the core game itself. From that point of view, no worries for you. We all wish him to succeed in his endeavour

[Maetharin]

With Mitch´s system i think we would be able to completely revamp how cultural conversation works...
It´s completely unrealistic how you can convert a barbarian village or oppidum into a civilized town or city in the course of a few years, that´s just not how it worked.

No matter how advanced one´s culture is, a conquered people will rebell if you absolutely repress and destroy their culture.
I mean where once stood a temple to Bellenus or Epona, there now stands a temple to IVPITER OPTIMVS MAXIMVS after just one and a half years?
Cultural conversation needs to be more subtle than that!

If one would tear down a church inmidst of London, and replaces it with a shrine to the flying spaghetti monster, would the people of london start worshipping it? I don´t think so...

I think building a temple of one´s own gods, whilst the native culture is still prevalent, should enrage the native population.
So cultural conversation needs first to be started by colonization* or through dignitaries before the impending conquest.

This would add further depth to the game, and would force the player to rely on AoR and Auxiliary forces more.

*Colonization could be realized through units led by a general called Colonists, with a manpower worth of 1000 (more or less).
These should only be recruitable in a provincial capital with enough manpower behind it and should take a long time to recruit,
simulating political resistance to such undertakings. After getting these units, which should have a very small movement range,
were talking about civilians here, to a region, one could dissolve this unit, and tada, colonization happened!