Dragonball Z topic.

[Knight of Heaven]

And bringing back Frieza was essential I suppose. We wouldn't have Super without Battle of the Gods and Revival of Frieza after all. Honestly the roster is fine and iconic to the series. The only surprise is that Tien even made the team, he's probably among the least popular DBZ characters in spite of my personal opinions. Plus Frieza has been absolutely slaying it this entire arc, his contributions are far more entertaining than most competitors.

Aye Freeza has been entertaining, in this arch, we never know what will come out of his evil mind. It already spawn theories of Freeza reabilitation and becoming a rival ( another one). However i do not credit them much to be honest.

I figure he is playing the waiting game so he can be the only guy standing at the end of the tournament. Still Suprising to see him being a team Player. ( well i use the term loosely) but his bluff with Gohan against Frost was enjoyable. And worthy of his evilness.


Anyway this is a tournament with 80 new characters, it would never had the time and narrating flow to ever made justice to every character out there. character development would be always a problem.
Andi think you are right, i like yourselfs, like tien, but i cant say he is a very popular character.

Popular characters usualy are Gohan, and mainley Vegeta. And obviously Goku.

Why are the characters that we like completely ignored and instead we have to put up with worthless like Kale and Caulifla?

There was a huge expectation among the fans to see the new saiyans, and the first felame Super saiyans etc. So its not like DBz watchers didnt wanted this.... and i figure they still want more after ( Vegeta on Planet Sadals and its King etc). Also im not getting an overly negative vibe on them either.
Besides kefla is serving for Goku can achieve the ultra instint so he can fight Jiren later, and litle else. at least for now.

[Kamos]

Well their first introduction Kale and Caulifla were kinda lame. As is how easy Caulifla achieved her SS states when poor Cabba had to do it the old fashioned way. Just goes to show, a Goku by any other name is still Goku. But the rest has been pretty good, Kale learning to control her powers and their excellent team synergy pushing Goku to a quick recovery. It's been nice, though I'm dying to see some solid Vegeta/Toppo or the fight with the alt Namekians.

And I agree on Frieza, he will never become rehabilitated. It's kinda the point of his character that he's this completely unyielding chaotic evil with only one or two power checks that he does not enjoy or get off on.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

From the moment they were introduced I've had my doubts but now I really don't like Kale and Caulifla. What a waste of characters. What is more they took up screen time from other characters like Cabbe and Hitto. They did nothing with Cabbe despite already hinting two arcs ago that he was going to do something meaningful... nope. I wanna see Freeza rip Kefla apart, if they give me that I'll be satisfied. Obviously that won't happen because Goku is probably going to go will go Ultra Instinct and defeat them.

I kind of like how Freeza is more self restrained but only because he knows that he can't go all out because of guys like Jiren, Goku, Hitto and Beerus. Just watching him be an evil team player is so much fun. Though I honestly would have loved to see Majin Buu join the A-Team finally. Given that his only feats so far were fighting Kid Buu, getting BTFO by Beerus, falling asleep when Freeza returned, falling asleep during the Champa tournament and... falling asleep during the Zeno tournament. Plus that one time in GT where Baby blew him up.

[Inhuman One]

It's already a given that Goku will win the tournament with ultra instinct and his final opponent will be Jiren.

[Knight of Heaven]

It's already a given that Goku will win the tournament with ultra instinct and his final opponent will be Jiren.

Hum maybe. But i dont think it will be that simple.

If Oda said was true this Tournamnet will be on for a while longer. And the universe who has most fighters standing wins. So it probably will be more than that. ( i hope so )

Besides we seen very litle of Gohan, and Vegeta, or Freeza yet as seen they are capable of much more.

Also there are those fighters in universe 4 ( quitela universe i think) Who no ones seems to detect or see, i think they will also be big adversaries. Seen as quitela is so laid back, even after watching Jiren and Goku.

We will see.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Toriyama has never been that simple in his approach. The only times that Goku came forward to outright win was during the King Piccolo arc, the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai and the Freeza arc. So either this arc will be one of the exceptions or Goku and Jiren (they KO each other?) will be defeated or perhaps someone else will defeat Jiren (Vegeta or Freeza imo, maybe Gohan???).

[Condottiere 40K]

Anime voice actress for 'Dragon Ball’s' Bulma found dead in car
Nov. 18 06:16 am JST 4 Comments
By Casey Baseel, SoraNews24
TOKYO
On Thursday night, at roughly 7:30, traffic camera footage from Tokyo’s downtown Shuto Expressway revealed a car stopped against the center divider with its hazard lights blinking. When the Metropolitan Traffic Police arrived on the scene, they found no skid marks behind the parked car, leading them to believe that it had slowed gradually before coasting gently to where it had stopped.

In the driver’s seat, with her seat belt still fastened, they found the body of anime voice actress Hiromi Tsuru, best known for her roles as "Dragon Ball’s" Bulma and "Anpanman’s" Dokin-chan. The 57-year-old Tsuru was rushed to the hospital, but was pronounced dead by medical staff upon arrival.

Tsuru had no visible external injuries, nor were there any signs of a traffic collision at the section of the southbound expressway near the Nihonbashi neighborhood, where her car was stopped.

On Friday, Aoni Production, the talent agency Tsuru was affiliated with, released a statement based on information from the hospital giving aortic dissection as the cause of death.

Tsuru rose to fame in the 1980s voicing such iconic anime characters as "Ranma 1/2’s" Ukyo and "Kimagure Orange Road’s" mysteriously alluring high school beauty Madoka. Her vocal talents continued to be in demand through the 1990s, when she performed the lead roles in both "Ghost Sweeper Mikami" and "Kamikaze Kaito Jeanne," as well as recurring character Merly in sci-fi "Western Trigun." Like many voice actresses, she also branched out into video game work as the anime and game industries began to increasingly overlap at the turn of the millennium, with roles in "Metal Gear Solid" and titles as recent as "Bravely Second" and "Yakuza 0."

As mentioned above, Tsuru was the voice of "Dragon Ball’s" Bulma and "Anpanman’s" Dokin-chan. Though she began those roles in 1986 and 1988 respectively, both franchise’s anime TV versions are still ongoing, meaning that Tsuru’s body of work continues right up until her sudden and unexpected passing.

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[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

The Kefla nightmare is over.
But while I was busy hating Kale and Caulifla I forgot that Ribrianne existed. Pain, so much pain.

Forgot to ask but how old are Cabbe, Kale and Caulifla? They look older than say Goten and Trunks but way younger than all of the adults. Is this loli porn?

I find it kind of funny how Toriyama always writes "that badass character". It is basically what he did with Hitto and Jiren. Hitto is a badass but Jiren is more badass; Jiren is quieter and cares less about stuff and beats guys up with zero effort and crosses his arms more and he gets punched in the face but doesn't flinch... badass.

Freeza is an annoying brat until he goes final form, then he becomes a badass.
Cell is a creepy and cowardly monster guy but then he goes final form, aka badass mode where he is cocky, smirks a lot and takes fists to the face like they were feathers.
Broly is a wimp until he goes final form, then he takes blasts like a squirt gun... cause he a badass. etc etc
Then the obverse: Vegeta is a badass until he gets outclassed and then gets beat up and cries like a . Rinse and repeat for your villain.
Actually sometimes badass heroes act kind of villainous. Look at Goku when he goes SSJ, he acts like a bad guy. Also has his own version of badass mode, like smirking a lot, being arrogant, taking punches to the face and playing around with his opponent.

[Inhuman One]

And still people like to berate Yamcha for overconfidence. He never cried or broke like Vegeta though.

If we look at emotional strength, Vegeta would pretty much be bottom tier.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

When he asserts that he is Prince of all Saiyans, he is really saying it to himself.

Actually that is kind of true because in his Majin Vegeta speech he basically admits that he is emotionally weak because he was never able to mature into an adult. He never became king, was humiliated and controlled by Freeza and now that the entire Saiyan race is dead he still has nothing to show for it because Goku is still stronger than him. Thematically Goku tries to master himself, where as Vegeta tries to overpower others and that is his fatal flaw.

With regards to this tournament. I heard that it would go on until March, but that might actually be filler like they do between arcs. Plus I would not be surprised if Jiren actually won the tournament.

[Inhuman One]

His entire Saiyan pride is a joke though.

He killed Nappa and did not want to revive Raditz or any other Saiyan. always cared only about his own power. Didn't seem to care much about his people being destroyed either. He never was a prince for his people.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

I think that was kind of the point though. Since the Saiyans had all been killed he probably assumed that raw power was all that mattered. So Raditz was useless for him and Nappa had also been defeated, presumably with no way to fix him. In essence Vegeta is becoming more like Freeza since he is basically Vegeta's surrogate father. Still I don't think that King Vegeta was really all that different from Freeza anyway. Lets face it, Bardock and the other Saiyans probably went to Hell. But that is the thing about Goku, he doesn't want to be a Saiyan and is sucked into someone else's war, the major theme of the Freeza Arc is accepting his heritage. In essence Goku stops Vegeta from becoming Freeza.

[Knight of Heaven]

Vegeta is different now. He cares about family ( Bulma , Trunks and specialy Bula now), and aparently his felow saiyans on some level as seen by his interactions with cabba. Saying he would ressucted them with the Super Dragon Balls, if they got erased for example.

[Inhuman One]

Well the thing with Raditz and Nappa was, while they where weaker, they greatly respected him. They where his warriors and he was their prince.

If they stayed alive they would have grown much stronger too. When Raditz died, Goku was a weakling compared to him. I just wonder how much it might have changed Vegeta's plans if they did stay alive. If he did not kill Nappa and gathered the dragon balls later to revive Raditz, when Goku was away from earth he could have done it.

Nappa would have been with Vegeta during the Namek saga then and I imagine he would have died either when fighting the Ginyu force or against Frieza, which means he'd be revived by the wish later and would go to earth with Vegeta then.
While Goku is away they could gather the dragon balls and revive Raditz. Why? because they have seen how much stronger Goku was when he returned after death, they may feel rather outnumbered and have seen that Piccolo, Krillin and Gohan got much stronger too. And Vegeta would know how to make Raditz stronger.
I can picture him using his power to nearly destroy Raditz in a sadistic way, to make him stronger.

The three of them would be looking for Goku across the galaxy then, but I reckon that seeing how even Vegeta found some peace and a family on earth, that Raditz and Nappa would have eased down some too. Heck Raditz might have found new respect for Goku seeing how his weak little brother surpassed him.
He'd probably spend time with Gohan as his uncle, and being curious about his strength. I think that Gohan would be able to get him to come around some, like he did with Piccolo.
Nappa might be more difficult though. He'd need a purpose, he wants to fight. But he was a team player, he even cared for the saibamen. He would probably come to blows with the Z fighters who could give him a beating to humble him before he turns around.
I mean, Nappa would not have surpassed Vegeta. He probably would have died against Recoome, when revived he'd probably be a bit stronger than Recoome, about on par with Tien and Yamcha.
That could probably be a great rematch against Tien, where Tien could defeat him.

Not sure what might trigger Nappa and Raditz to go super saiyan though if they'd stay around. Maybe it could trigger for Raditz when Goku is beaten while sick. Otherwise I imagine he'd get it during the training in the time chamber.

[Knight of Heaven]

Forgot to ask but how old are Cabbe, Kale and Caulifla? They look older than say Goten and Trunks but way younger than all of the adults. Is this loli porn?

First its Japan, second they seem young adults to teenagers. I dont see how thats make it loli porn.... no one was saying that when goku, and gohan was a child, or teen...
I also dont get that vibe in this case, it is not DB style either, save for Roshi Tropes.

( fan art aside of course, that doesnt count....)

Anyway in the next couple episodes ( after Androids vs Rebrieane), another universe goes bye bye ( probably 6 since they only have two Nameks, or Universe 2), and someone in universe 7 is droping out i think. Also Finaly Universe 4 fighters apear to force that, the ones that nobody sees, or sense.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

There is no way that Kale and Caulifla were not intended for spank material. They knew what they were doing. Obviously Toriyama intended them to be a parody but goddamn is it unfunny and annoying.

I think that Vegeta will try to use Ultra Instinct but it will backfire and he will get eliminated. Possibly Freeza has him removed so that he can manage the more controllable Goku.

Maybe Android 18 gets taken out and avenged by Android 17 or Piccolo sacrifices himself to keep Gohan in the tournament. These new Namekians suck... again what laziness here. Not only do they all look the same but now their outfits are totally uninspired.

[Inhuman One]

If they want to do something original then Goku should be eliminated so that someone else can be the hero for a change.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

I'll just admit that I want Vegeta to win. Although if Freeza wins and it actually leads to something that would be awesome. However I think that Jiren might actually win the tournament.

[Knight of Heaven]

There is no way that Kale and Caulifla were not intended for spank material.They knew what they were doing. Obviously Toriyama intended them to be a parody but goddamn is it unfunny and annoying.

As someone who watched tons of Anime of all kinds, i think you are misjudging on this case.

Fans might see them as fan service , but i dont think that is the goal in the show at all. Otherwise all female characters in DB are like that. That is a simplistic logic.

Exception of Rebriene wich is cleary a parody....


This is fan service...

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Even fate Zero with Saber has more fanservice then Caulifla and kale....
Anime like queens blade, or Freezing and tons of other shows, have characters full of fanservice.


Caulifla and Kale are too bland to be fan service in the show.... as of yet anyway.

It seems to me based in show evidence , that Bulma, 18 and chichi are cleary more fanservice characters then the female saiyans at this point.

If they want to do something original then Goku should be eliminated so that someone else can be the hero for a change.

That aint so original, since they already did that with the Cell Saga.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Otherwise all female characters in DB are fan service.

Who said they weren't? THEY ARE. This is Toriyama we are talking about.