[Submod] light_spear, infantry and cavalry javelineer, all cavalry speed EDU fixes

[Rad]

It's all Greek to me, WAD. Lot's of buildings show armor upgrades. Should I just delete everything? Better be more precise.
This is just a part of the file ofc, the one that seemed most obvious.


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wooden_wall city requires factions { all, } and building_present govallied or building_present govrome or building_present govcarthage or building_present govepeiros or building_present govkh or building_present govseleukid or building_present govhayasdan or building_present govpontos or building_present govparthia or building_present govaedui or building_present govarverni or building_present govcasse or building_present govluso or building_present govsweboz or building_present govgetai or building_present govsaba or building_present govsaka or building_present govsauro or building_present_min_level govnumidia numidia2 or building_present govgandhara or building_present govlugia or building_present govbospor or building_present govarevaci or building_present govboii or building_present govnabatu or building_present govslave or building_present govbaktria or building_present govmakedonia or building_present govpergamon or building_present govptolemaioi
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armour 2 requires factions { f_aedui, } and event_counter ecAeduiEra 2
armour 1 requires factions { f_arverni, } and event_counter ecArverniEra 1
armour 2 requires factions { f_arverni, } and event_counter ecArverniEra 2
armour 1 requires factions { f_sweboz, } and event_counter ecSwebozEra 1
armour 1 requires factions { f_gandhara, } and event_counter ecGandharaEra 2
}
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construction 4
cost 1600
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stone_wall
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capability
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tower_level 1
gate_strength 1
recruitment_slots 1
armour 1 requires factions { f_aedui, } and event_counter ecAeduiEra 1
armour 2 requires factions { f_aedui, } and event_counter ecAeduiEra 2
armour 1 requires factions { f_arverni, } and event_counter ecArverniEra 1
armour 2 requires factions { f_arverni, } and event_counter ecArverniEra 2
armour 1 requires factions { f_sweboz, } and event_counter ecSwebozEra 1
armour 1 requires factions { f_gandhara, } and event_counter ecGandharaEra 2
}
material stone
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capability
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recruitment_slots 1
happiness_bonus bonus 1 requires factions { all, }
armour 1 requires factions { f_aedui, } and event_counter ecAeduiEra 1
armour 2 requires factions { f_aedui, } and event_counter ecAeduiEra 2
armour 1 requires factions { f_arverni, } and event_counter ecArverniEra 1
armour 2 requires factions { f_arverni, } and event_counter ecArverniEra 2
armour 1 requires factions { f_sweboz, } and event_counter ecSwebozEra 1
armour 1 requires factions { f_gandhara, } and event_counter ecGandharaEra 2
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material stone
construction 10
cost 6400
settlement_min city
upgrades
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huge_stone_wall
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capability
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armour 2 requires factions { f_aedui, } and event_counter ecAeduiEra 2
armour 1 requires factions { f_arverni, } and event_counter ecArverniEra 1
armour 2 requires factions { f_arverni, } and event_counter ecArverniEra 2
armour 1 requires factions { f_sweboz, } and event_counter ecSwebozEra 1
armour 1 requires factions { f_gandhara, } and event_counter ecGandharaEra 2
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material stone
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settlement_min large_city
upgrades
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}
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plugins
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convert_to core_building
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convert_to 0
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agent diplomat 1 requires factions { all, }
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armour 1 requires factions { f_aedui, } and event_counter ecAeduiEra 1
armour 2 requires factions { f_aedui, } and event_counter ecAeduiEra 2
armour 1 requires factions { f_arverni, } and event_counter ecArverniEra 1
armour 2 requires factions { f_arverni, } and event_counter ecArverniEra 2
armour 1 requires factions { f_sweboz, } and event_counter ecSwebozEra 1
armour 1 requires factions { f_gandhara, } and event_counter ecGandharaEra 2
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construction 2
cost 600
settlement_min village
upgrades
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convert_to 0
capability
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armour 1 requires factions { f_aedui, } and event_counter ecAeduiEra 1
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armour 1 requires factions { f_arverni, } and event_counter ecArverniEra 1
armour 2 requires factions { f_arverni, } and event_counter ecArverniEra 2
armour 1 requires factions { f_sweboz, } and event_counter ecSwebozEra 1
armour 1 requires factions { f_gandhara, } and event_counter ecGandharaEra 2
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cost 1200
settlement_min village
upgrades
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castle
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armour 2 requires factions { f_arverni, } and event_counter ecArverniEra 2
armour 1 requires factions { f_sweboz, } and event_counter ecSwebozEra 1
armour 1 requires factions { f_gandhara, } and event_counter ecGandharaEra 2
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cost 2000
settlement_min town
upgrades
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fortress
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armour 2 requires factions { f_arverni, } and event_counter ecArverniEra 2
armour 1 requires factions { f_sweboz, } and event_counter ecSwebozEra 1
armour 1 requires factions { f_gandhara, } and event_counter ecGandharaEra 2
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material stone
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cost 100
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upgrades
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citadel
}
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capability
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agent diplomat 1 requires factions { all, }
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armour 1 requires factions { f_aedui, } and event_counter ecAeduiEra 1
armour 2 requires factions { f_aedui, } and event_counter ecAeduiEra 2
armour 1 requires factions { f_arverni, } and event_counter ecArverniEra 1
armour 2 requires factions { f_arverni, } and event_counter ecArverniEra 2
armour 1 requires factions { f_sweboz, } and event_counter ecSwebozEra 1
armour 1 requires factions { f_gandhara, } and event_counter ecGandharaEra 2
}
material stone
construction 1
cost 100
settlement_min city
upgrades
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}
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plugins
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}
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[WAD81]

Yes, that's the part. You must delete all lines with armour 1 / armour 2 that are connected with your faction.
Are you perhaps more comfortable with editing EDUnits file? There is another way, perhaps easier for you. Also EDU doesn't require Notepad++ for editing.

[Rad]

What about the other factions? Are they bugged as well?
Tell me about the other way, I'm open to all ideas.

[V.T. Marvin]

For the sake of my personal education, would you guys please explain to me the whole armour upgrade mechanism of M2TW, how it works, what it does and what parts (files) are involved in it? Or point me to a good tutorial? This part of the game engine is a bit of a mystery to me. Thanks!

[mAIOR]

Interesting submod. Might take it out for a spin. Have you considering doing some sort of scale? As in, to attest the lethality of a weapon, instead of being 1:1 scale using 1:4 (as in one soldier ingame represents 4 soldiers in "real life"). This might make the balancing easier. Also, considering losses, it would make morale scaling easier as well. I had this project for another mod some time ago but never got around to finish it since it took to much time (kudos to more serious modders out there who actually pull through). I can send you a PM detailing what I had in mind if you are interested.

[QuintusSertorius]

Bit of an update. I'm now helping Ibrahim in a nearly-official capacity with the EDU (I have to prove I'm constant and reliable before I'm formally admitted to the EBII development team), and I'm working on a 2.01-compatible EDU update. So I'm hoping all those who've been testing out my versions here will still be keen to try out the next iterations as they come. We'll be using those results to factor into the EDU for the next release.

Interesting submod. Might take it out for a spin. Have you considering doing some sort of scale? As in, to attest the lethality of a weapon, instead of being 1:1 scale using 1:4 (as in one soldier ingame represents 4 soldiers in "real life"). This might make the balancing easier. Also, considering losses, it would make morale scaling easier as well. I had this project for another mod some time ago but never got around to finish it since it took to much time (kudos to more serious modders out there who actually pull through). I can send you a PM detailing what I had in mind if you are interested.

I'm not sure I understand your point about scale. Could you unpack that some more, please?

[Dago Red]

I've been using these changes for a couple months now and the changes have proven to be great improvements (though I said as much on day one as well). The only thing I would adjust is the horse speeds. Some cavalry may be well balanced, but overall I find them to be too fast. I find the light horse to be of more utility and would probably keep many of them the way they are, but heavier horse is just too much white lightning on the battlefield.

[QuintusSertorius]

I've been using these changes for a couple months now and the changes have proven to be great improvements (though I said as much on day one as well). The only thing I would adjust is the horse speeds. Some cavalry may be well balanced, but overall I find them to be too fast. I find the light horse to be of more utility and would probably keep many of them the way they are, but heavier horse is just too much white lightning on the battlefield.

Thanks for the feedback. Not to worry, I'm using a different (and lower) formula for the official EDU when it comes to cavalry speeds. What you got in this submod was very much a quick and dirty rule of thumb. Once I've done it, I'll be releasing it as a test for people to try out before the next release.

[QuintusSertorius]

I won't be updating this thread any more, instead see the Official Testing thread.

[b0Gia de Bodemloze]

We should lock this thread then?

[QuintusSertorius]

We should lock this thread then?

Can do.