[SUBMOD DEVELOPMENT] Another (Hi)Story: The Greek Wars

[Ryoga84]

Hi, this is the development topic for the next version of this submod.

At the moment,
the goals of the next version (1.1) are:
-Addition of a new faction (the Thracians, also Odrysian Kingdom)
-Expansion of tradable resources in the map, particularly northern and central areas
-new skins for certain common units
-new units, mostly barbarian (Thracians, Illyrians) or related to the northern greek kingdoms



and... that's all for now




Done

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-Changed base model for the Chalcidian and Olympian Hoplites
-Changed texture for the Militia Hoplites of Sparta and Epirus
-Rehashed the descr_region file, for the trade resource
-Added Iron resource (Alcyona, Dystos/Eretria), Marble resource (Diacria), Timber resource (Olympos, Aigai, Khalkidike, Mygdonia, Therme, Sapaike, Lykhnidos, Pelion, Parauaia, Epiros, Molossis, Thesprotia, Ambrakos, Amphilokhia, Aitolia, Kalydon, Lokris Ozolis, Melis), Silver resource (Graice, Europos, Melos), Copper resource (Taenaros, Melis, Molossis, Dystos/Eretria), Lead resource (Paralia), Gold resource (Almopia, Therme, Bisaltia, Abdera, Thassos, Melos), Hides resource (Abdera, Sapaike, Idomene, Almopia, Lynkos, Lykhnidos, Pelion), Wine resource (Thassos), Olive Oil resource (Thassos, Sithonia, Pallene, Leukas, Kephallenia, Zakynthos, Aigina, Salamis, East Achaea, Panachaicos, West Achaea, Coele Elia, Pisatis, Aulon, Malea, Cynouria, South Acte, Troezen, North Acte, Paralia, Kalydon, Lokris Ozolis, Phokis, Helicon, Boeotia, Dystos/Eretria, Euboia, Oreos, Peparethos, Lokris Opountia, Lokris Epiknemidia, Melis, Thesprotia, Ambrakos).
-Restricted the AoR of the Illyrian units only to Illyria
-Added missing UI cards (Militia Hoplites for Epiros)
-Added new textures for the Thracian Auxiliary Cavarly (Athenian, Thessalian, Epirote/unaligned), Medium Cavalry (Athenian, Epirote), Thessalian Medium Cavarly (Macedonian, Epirote)
-Added the Odrysian Kingdom as playable faction

To Do

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-Addition of Textile trade resource {Ryoga84}
-Descriptions for the Odrysian Kingdom {Cinuz}
-New units
-Odrysian Kingdom recruitment tree
-Expansion of the Greek temple system
-Modification of the temple system for the Thracians
-New textures {cpdwane}

STAFF
Ryoga84
cpdwane
Cinuz

[Ernst von Mansfeld]

Hi,

Is there a Submod on the "Macedonian wars"(215 BC - 168 BC) of Philip V. and Perseus against the Roman Empire?

[Ryoga84]

I think it's beyond the scope of this mod, as the timeframe and maps should be completely changed

[cpdwane]

How far have you got with the implementation of new resources?

[Stath's]

This seems to be a very interesting idea!

[Ryoga84]

How far have you got with the implementation of new resources?

-Added
Iron resource (Alcyona, Dystos/Eretria),
Marble resource (Diacria),
Timber resource (Olympos, Aigai, Khalkidike, Mygdonia, Therme, Sapaike, Lykhnidos, Pelion, Parauaia, Epiros, Molossis, Thesprotia, Ambrakos, Amphilokhia, Aitolia, Kalydon, Lokris Ozolis, Melis),
Silver resource (Graice, Europos, Melos),
Copper resource (Taenaros, Melis, Molossis, Dystos/Eretria),
Lead resource (Paralia),
Gold resource (Almopia, Therme, Bisaltia, Abdera, Thassos, Melos),
Hides resource (Abdera, Sapaike, Idomene, Almopia, Lynkos, Lykhnidos, Pelion),
Wine resource (Thassos),
Olive Oil resource (Thassos, Sithonia, Pallene, Leukas, Kephallenia, Zakynthos, Aigina, Salamis, East Achaea, Panachaicos, West Achaea, Coele Elia, Pisatis, Aulon, Malea, Cynouria, South Acte, Troezen, North Acte, Paralia, Kalydon, Lokris Ozolis, Phokis, Helicon, Boeotia, Dystos/Eretria, Euboia, Oreos, Peparethos, Lokris Opountia, Lokris Epiknemidia, Melis, Thesprotia, Ambrakos).


I still need to implement textiles, but the others are ready to go

[Ryoga84]

Added a Done/ToDo addendum in the first post


as a note,
Textiles,

Textiles could be added in Thrace I guess, as Thracian cloaks were very popular among southern Greeks.

so, other than Thrace, where should I add them?

[Ernst von Mansfeld]

Hello,

Where can I download the next version 1.1?

Best Regards
Michael

[Ryoga84]

you can't
we're still developing it

this is the "Development topic" as a Development Forum would be to much
(and recruitment for staff, too -_- )

[Ryoga84]

(theoric) recruitment roster for the Odrysian Kingdom

Barracks
Lvl 1: Light Spearmen
Lvl 2: Swordmen
Lvl 3: Romphaiophoroi/Assault Infantry, maybe heavy spearmen

Cavalry:
Lvl 1: Light Thracian Cavalry (skirmishers)
Lvl 2: Noble Cavalry (heavy cavalry)

Skirmishers:
Lvl 1: Hunters (tattered archers with high mimetic capacity)
Lvl 2: Archers (normal archers)
Lvl 3: Peltasts (Thracian peltasts, way better than the mercenary ones)




Also, I'd like to insert, only for the thracians, recruitable generals and local units related to the distinct local tribes (Triballi, Gallo-Thracians, Agranians, etc)

[cpdwane]

Could I suggest an alternative army roster?

- Javelinmen (basically equivalent to the javelinmen of the other nations although maybe slightly better)
- Thracian Peltasts (basically a copy of the mercenary unit we currently have, maybe a few stats better)
- Heavy Peltasts (would use the same model as the Mercenary heavy peltast that we have, this would be the main infantry unit of the Thracian army and would throw their javelins before charging with spears)
- a slightly heavier unit that uses a javelin before charging with a sword, based on the light Hypaspist model
- Maybe a pure swordmen unit representing Gallo-Thracians or Triballi?
- Rhomphaiophoroi
-Maybe an elite hoplite equivalent or royal hypaspist equivalent (the Odrysians were quite Hellenised after all)

As for Cavalry
- Light Thracian cavalry (equivalent to prodromoi but using the thracian model
- Medium cavalry (equivalent to the mercenary Thracian cavalry unit)
- Sarissophoroi (long spear armed cavalry similar to the Athanamian cavalry that the Epirotes have)
- Thracian royal cavalry (more like the Macedonian Companions)

And for Skirmishers I would suggest we have Archers (using the petasos model) and slingers

[Ryoga84]

I asked Cinuz a purview on this matter, as he was researching this area.

[cpdwane]

Sorry I haven't done much recently, I have been busy with Uni work. I should be able to get the other units to you in the next few weeks.

[Ryoga84]

Don't sweat it, real life comes first

(as a note, I actually have a couple problems habilitating the new faction, so, you can take your time )

[Cinuz]

Okay, first of all: sorry for the late reply! I've not checked the forum lately, so I wasn't aware of the new topic!


Right now I'm at university, that is in another city so I haven't nor my computer neither my books with me! However as soon the weekend comes I'll be back home! So I can start the faction description and give my two cents about the troop tree by friday!

[cpdwane]

Sounds like the same situation I'm in right now!

[Ryoga84]

Sorry guys,
I've been in hospital for a while (nothing serious, but they locked me there! ); I plan to work again on the mod ASAP

[Ryoga84]

ok, sorry for the sudden absence, I got a couple health problems related with the aforementioned hospital and an acute case of winter flu


I've finally implemented the Odrysian Kingdom as a viable choice in both the custom battles and the main campaign

[Ryoga84]

Alright
now, for the Thracian army roster, we got three suggestions

1st Proposition

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Barracks
Lvl 1: Light Spearmen
Lvl 2: Light Spearmen, Swordmen
Lvl 3: Light Spearmen, Swordmen, Romphaiophoroi/Assault Infantry, maybe heavy spearmen

Cavalry:
Lvl 1: Light Thracian Cavalry (skirmishers)
Lvl 2: Light Thracian Cavalry (skirmishers), Noble Cavalry (heavy cavalry)

Skirmishers:
Lvl 1: Hunters (tattered archers with high mimetic capacity)
Lvl 2: Hunters, Archers (normal archers)
Lvl 3: Hunters, Archers, Peltasts (Thracian peltasts, way better than the mercenary ones)

2nd Proposition

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Barracks
Lvl 1: Javelinmen (basically equivalent to the javelinmen of the other nations although maybe slightly better), Thracian Peltasts (basically a copy of the mercenary unit we currently have, maybe a few stats better)
Lvl 2: Javelinmen, Thracian Peltasts, Heavy Peltasts (would use the same model as the Mercenary heavy peltast that we have, this would be the main infantry unit of the Thracian army and would throw their javelins before charging with spears), a slightly heavier unit that uses a javelin before charging with a sword, based on the light Hypaspist model
Lvl 3: Javelinmen, Thracian Peltasts, Heavy Peltasts, "Thracian Light Hypaspist", pure swordmen unit (representing Gallo-Thracians or Triballi), Rhomphaiophoroi, an elite hoplite equivalent or royal hypaspist

Cavalry:
Lvl 1: Light Thracian cavalry (equivalent to prodromoi but using the thracian model)
Lvl 2: Light Thracian cavalry, Medium cavalry (equivalent to the mercenary Thracian cavalry unit), Sarissophoroi (long spear armed cavalry similar to the Athanamian cavalry that the Epirotes have)
Lvl 3: Light Thracian cavalry, Medium cavalry, Sarissophoroi, Thracian royal cavalry (more like the Macedonian Companions)

Skirmishers:
Lvl 1: Archers
Lvl 2: Archers, Slingers

3rd Proposition

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Barracks
Lv.1: Thracian Light Spearmen, greek and Illyrian militia (in Greece and Illyria)
Lv.2: Thracian Light Spearmen, greek and Illyrian militia, Thracian Light Infantry (swords bearer), Illyrian Infantry (in Illyria)
Lv.3a (low building cost and 1-2 turns for construction): Thracian Light Spearmen, greek and Illyrian militia, Thracian Light Infantry, Illyrian Infantry, Thracian Tribal Chief (Recruitable General with Rhomphaiaphoroi, only in Thrace)
Lv.3b (normal building cost and standard turns for construction): Thracian Light Spearmen, greek and Illyrian militia, Thracian Light Infantry, Illyrian Infantry, Elite Thracian Infantry (Rhomphaiaphoroi), local heavy barbarian infantry

Skirmishers:
Lv.1: Thracian Peltasts, greek and Illyrian peltasts (in Greece and Illyria)
Lv.2: Thracian Peltasts, greek and Illyrian peltasts, Slingers
Lv.3. Thracian Peltasts, greek and Illyrian peltasts, Slingers, Thracian Hunters (good archers, not regimented, high mimetic capacity)

Cavalry:
1. Light greek and Illyrian cavalry (in Greece and Illyria)
2. Light greek and Illyrian cavalry, Thracian Light cavalry
3. Light greek and Illyrian cavalry, Thracian Light cavalry, Thracian Medium Cavalry

while I think all three are good, maybe we can use merge them and make a better one

[DeathtoEgo]

I nominate Proposition 2 but with a mounted general. Good Luck btw.