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    This will be a priority to add.





    Kamandaran-i Shahvar (Royal Archers)
    The Sassanians relied heavily on their archers, The Sassanian infantry formed at least two-thirds of any Persian army that included any foot. The elites were archers, firing from behind a wall of shields, while ordinary infantry were spearmen, equipped from government armories. There are interesting reports that foot archers are capable to both shoot backwards when retreating, a feat remembering the fammous Parthan shot of horse archers, and fight the enemy in close combat. Such foot archers are an elite and much better equipped the standard archer. Another famous unit are the Royal Foot Archers, a small cadre of some 100 men. They are supposed to defend the throne to the death.\was one battle where foot archers distinguished themselves. It was 542 AD at Anglon, where an Iranian force of some 4,000 troops defeated a Byzantine army of some 30,000 troops. The Iranian lured the Byzanine into the town, where they had prepared fortified positions and hidden cabins. They poured missile volleys from multiple directions at the Byzantines, who could not organize proper countermeasures. The Byzantines were resoundly defeated and many were captured, when they tried to flee in panic.


    Saka Cavalry
    The Saka were an Iranian speaking peoples of Aryan (Indo-Iranian) Stock. They are considered to be a branch of the Scythians by most scholars, and closely related to the Cimmerians. Being Scythians, they are as much a horse people as their neighbors. They are tough, very capable fighters, preferring a mix of kontos and bow like most other steppe peoples.


    Deylam Sagaris Axemen
    The sagaris is an ancient waraxe used from the time of ancient Greece, the surrounding peoples have similar versions or copies of this very effective and brutal weapon. The Deylamites (Daylamites/Dimli/Dimili) were known for their skirmishers and their use of the war-axe.\n\nThe Deylamite Infantry is considered as one of the best infantry in the middle east, if not the best. Roman sources have spoken highly of the Deylamites`s skills and hardiness in close combat with sword and dagger. The Arab scholar Muqaddasi reported that Dailam was ‘neither too big, nor too beautiful’. The Arab historians wrote that the Dailamites were a strong and numerous race, renowned for its extraordinary courage and its great endurance, and whose representatives had a good looking, commanding appearance and handsome beards. An Arab source calls the Dailamites ashqar ‘a rosy colour’. The long and disordered hair of the Dailamites has at all times produced fresh metaphores of the poets who mentioned their black skull caps just as often.


    Deylamite Infantry
    Recruited from the mountainous Deylam area of northern Iran, the Deylamite (Daylamites/Dimli/Dimili) Infantry is considered as one of the best infantry in the middle east, if not the best in the Iranian army. Roman sources have spoken highly of the Deylamites`s skills and hardiness in close combat with sword and dagger. \n\n Their weapons included battle axe, heavy sword, sling, dagger. As missile weapons they use a short two-pronged spear, which could either used in hand-to-hand combat or be hurled in manner of Roman legionnaires. Shields are brightly painted. The Muslim Arabs of the 7th century proved unable to subdue the Dailamites. Whenever Dailamites joined the Muslim army they were eagerly welcomed by the Arabs into their ranks, who would often pay them more than Arab troops.


    Sassanian Infantry(NAME NEEDS TO BE CHANGED)
    The Sassanids, as much as other civilized army at the time, relied a lot on infantry. Many have mistaken the low-quality Paighan with Sassanian regular infantry. Though the Sassanian cavalry are more well known, the role of the Sassanian regular infantry is at times thought of as equal to Roman Legionnaires. \n\nIn battle they initially stand behind the foot archers, who will retire behind the heavy infantry ranks after their missile supplies are exhausted. Then the heavy infantry will engage in hand-to-hand fighting. Another successful tactic is to place them behind the Savaran, they would advance in coordination with them. As soon as the Savaran are about to reach enemies lines they will retire to the left and right wings. That would allow the heavy infantry to close in and engage the enemy infantry. That would surprise the enemy, who expects an cavalry charge, and pin down him so that the Savaran could attack the now vulnerable flanks. They are a professional corps of fighters who can be expected to stand in a battle line and behave with great courage but their equipment is certainly not equal to the cavalry. Nethertheless the Iranians excelled in archery and cavalry and could never fully matched Roman expertise in infantry.


    Han has represented these units below in his latest developers update Will add when descriptions are accurately applied


    {cataphracts} Peroozetae
    Another of the Royal Guards units, the Peroozetae ("Victorious Ones") are Clibinari lancers. They are equipped with a heavy kontos, some melee weapons and a shield. Experts in powerful lance charges they are best used as assault troops breaking up enemies formationes. \n\nThe Romans (and later the Byzantines) developed countermeasure such as counterattacking them from the flanks. The Strategikon of Emperor Maurice recommends such tactics due to the risk that the Romans would suffer injury on running into their well ordered ranks.\n\n Less is known about them but it was reported that one Savaran member of the Peroozetae rescued his King, when he cut a noose, that had caught the King`s horse. \n\nEastern peoples have long used heavily armoured - in this case completely armoured - horsemen in battle. Long before the Sassanid dynasty took control, the Parthians had perfected these 'iron warriors' as part of a supreme battle-winning force.Clibinarii are not a perfect answer to every tactical situation. They are superb for grinding down enemy formations, but they cannot be used for more 'traditional' cavalry duties such as pursuit and screening. They are an iron fist inside an iron glove, ready to pummel enemies into submission.


    {armoured_camel_riders} Savaran
    Among the Iranian warrior caste the Savaran knights are the elite and holds a special position of honour in the Sassanian Spah (army). First, only nobles of both the seven Great Clans and the Azadans formed their ranks. Later, after King Khosrow I. (532-579 AD) reforms, the lower Dehkan nobililty were allowed to enter the ranks of the Savaran and so increased the available manpower of Imperial forces. \n\nThe Savaran are the forerunners of medieval knights, their influence in development of weaponry, battle tactics and costumes for Romano-Byzantines and medieval Europe was great. \n\nEach Savaran units seems to have had their own banner and coat of arms (the Drafsh). Drafsh could either be flown as banners or worn as insignia by the Savaran. The Drafsh are displayed on a crosspole or –pole, however shield bosses and tunics could display them, either. There are many different banner designs with lions, tigers, gazelles, boars, wolves and mythological beasts. The Draco flags is especially popular.\n\nSavaran are heavy cavalry, belonging to the cataphracts, with both man and horse protected by high quality armour. Though Savaran are not the answer to every tactical problem, they are true universal cavalrymen, well-versed in both archery and melee weapon. They can weaken their enemies with showers of arrows till they close and attack with lance, sword and mace. But they have to fear well-trained spearmen and more mobile horse-archers such as steppe nomad horse archers with their powerful composite bows.

    {clibinarii_immortals} Pushtigban
    The Pushtighban are the Royal bodyguard unit of the Sassanian Kings. Numbering perhaps 1,000 men they are the elite of the elite. Many members stern from the Great Clans or are other high ranking nobles of the Iranian feudal society and their loyality is unquestionable. \n\nThey are enceased completely in iron mail with protective lamellar and laminated armor underneath as well as armored gloves. The tight fitting face masks have holes and slits for nose and eyes as well as protective mail behind and around the neck. Each knight carries a large kontos, a heavy sword, mace and axe. These “Iron-clad men” have no need for shields. \n\nThe horse has has heavy armor protection for its legs and body. It was reported that some men had to lift up the warrior onto the saddle due to the immense weight of the armor. Only the famous Nisean horse bred could carry such a weight into battle. \n\nIt was written that these knight were so strong, that they could impale two enemies simultaneously. A certain countermeasure of the Romans against these “iron-clad men” was they tried to dive underneath the steed and stab its belly. The fallen knight was almost defenseless due the weight of his armor. Against the far more mobile and flexible steppe nomads equipped with powerful composite bows as the Hephtalites the superheavy knights often meet desaster if they are being left unsupported. \n\nThey are superb for grinding down enemy formations, but they cannot be used for more 'traditional' cavalry duties such as pursuit and screening. They are an iron fist inside an iron glove, ready to pummel enemies into submission.

    {clibinarii} Zhayedan
    Zhayedan (“Immortals” in Pahlavi ), the most famous and most known of the Royal Guards units. They are super-heavy cavalry, with both men and horses armoured from head to toe. They were elite shock troops, intended to close in as fast as possible and wear down the enemy with powerful lance charges and and brutal melee attacks.\n\nHistorically a force of 10,000 men, they are an elite within the Sassanian army. Only few selected Savaran veterans, who had proved them exceptionally in battle, were allowed to join the Zhayedan. Their task was to secure any breakthrough, and they were often held as reserve force, entering the battle at crucial stages.\n\nThey are the revival of the Achaemenid Immortals and so it is highly probably that their uniforms and insignia reflected Achaemenid tradition. Their commander bore the title of Varthragh-Nighan Khvadhay and often was a Prince of the Royal family. \n\nEastern peoples have long used heavily armoured - in this case completely armoured - horsemen in battle. Long before the Sassanid dynasty took control, the Parthians had perfected these 'iron warriors' as part of a supreme battle-winning force.Clibinarii are not a perfect answer to every tactical situation. They are superb for grinding down enemy formations, but they cannot be used for more 'traditional' cavalry duties such as pursuit and screening. They are an iron fist inside an iron glove, ready to pummel enemies into submission.
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    Okay, I'm just gonna point it out now that by the time the Sassanids come around in 218 the Saka had been gone for 700 years.

    There were a few main groups on the Steppes in this period East of the Sassanids: this video here shows the change over time in the political situation.

    http://pro.geo.univie.ac.at/projects...e7?language=en

    They were the Kidaritae/Chionitae (A Hunnic Group), the Hepthaltites (The Hua, related to the Avars of Europe), the Alkhan and Nezak Huns, and the Gok-Turk confederation.

    The Hepthaltites were an emerging power in this period and would vassalize the Sassanids in the 450's or so.

    By this point, other than a few select groups like the Yue-Chi and the Wu-Sun near the Tarim Basin and whatnot, the Iranian Dominated steppes were no more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riothamus View Post
    This will be a priority to add.





    Kamandaran-i Shahvar (Royal Archers)
    The Sassanians relied heavily on their archers, The Sassanian infantry formed at least two-thirds of any Persian army that included any foot. The elites were archers, firing from behind a wall of shields, while ordinary infantry were spearmen, equipped from government armories. There are interesting reports that foot archers are capable to both shoot backwards when retreating, a feat remembering the fammous Parthan shot of horse archers, and fight the enemy in close combat. Such foot archers are an elite and much better equipped the standard archer. Another famous unit are the Royal Foot Archers, a small cadre of some 100 men. They are supposed to defend the throne to the death.\was one battle where foot archers distinguished themselves. It was 542 AD at Anglon, where an Iranian force of some 4,000 troops defeated a Byzantine army of some 30,000 troops. The Iranian lured the Byzanine into the town, where they had prepared fortified positions and hidden cabins. They poured missile volleys from multiple directions at the Byzantines, who could not organize proper countermeasures. The Byzantines were resoundly defeated and many were captured, when they tried to flee in panic.


    Saka Cavalry
    The Saka were an Iranian speaking peoples of Aryan (Indo-Iranian) Stock. They are considered to be a branch of the Scythians by most scholars, and closely related to the Cimmerians. Being Scythians, they are as much a horse people as their neighbors. They are tough, very capable fighters, preferring a mix of kontos and bow like most other steppe peoples.


    Deylam Sagaris Axemen
    The sagaris is an ancient waraxe used from the time of ancient Greece, the surrounding peoples have similar versions or copies of this very effective and brutal weapon. The Deylamites (Daylamites/Dimli/Dimili) were known for their skirmishers and their use of the war-axe.\n\nThe Deylamite Infantry is considered as one of the best infantry in the middle east, if not the best. Roman sources have spoken highly of the Deylamites`s skills and hardiness in close combat with sword and dagger. The Arab scholar Muqaddasi reported that Dailam was ‘neither too big, nor too beautiful’. The Arab historians wrote that the Dailamites were a strong and numerous race, renowned for its extraordinary courage and its great endurance, and whose representatives had a good looking, commanding appearance and handsome beards. An Arab source calls the Dailamites ashqar ‘a rosy colour’. The long and disordered hair of the Dailamites has at all times produced fresh metaphores of the poets who mentioned their black skull caps just as often.


    Deylamite Infantry
    Recruited from the mountainous Deylam area of northern Iran, the Deylamite (Daylamites/Dimli/Dimili) Infantry is considered as one of the best infantry in the middle east, if not the best in the Iranian army. Roman sources have spoken highly of the Deylamites`s skills and hardiness in close combat with sword and dagger. \n\n Their weapons included battle axe, heavy sword, sling, dagger. As missile weapons they use a short two-pronged spear, which could either used in hand-to-hand combat or be hurled in manner of Roman legionnaires. Shields are brightly painted. The Muslim Arabs of the 7th century proved unable to subdue the Dailamites. Whenever Dailamites joined the Muslim army they were eagerly welcomed by the Arabs into their ranks, who would often pay them more than Arab troops.


    Sassanian Infantry(NAME NEEDS TO BE CHANGED)
    The Sassanids, as much as other civilized army at the time, relied a lot on infantry. Many have mistaken the low-quality Paighan with Sassanian regular infantry. Though the Sassanian cavalry are more well known, the role of the Sassanian regular infantry is at times thought of as equal to Roman Legionnaires. \n\nIn battle they initially stand behind the foot archers, who will retire behind the heavy infantry ranks after their missile supplies are exhausted. Then the heavy infantry will engage in hand-to-hand fighting. Another successful tactic is to place them behind the Savaran, they would advance in coordination with them. As soon as the Savaran are about to reach enemies lines they will retire to the left and right wings. That would allow the heavy infantry to close in and engage the enemy infantry. That would surprise the enemy, who expects an cavalry charge, and pin down him so that the Savaran could attack the now vulnerable flanks. They are a professional corps of fighters who can be expected to stand in a battle line and behave with great courage but their equipment is certainly not equal to the cavalry. Nethertheless the Iranians excelled in archery and cavalry and could never fully matched Roman expertise in infantry.


    Han has represented these units below in his latest developers update Will add when descriptions are accurately applied


    {cataphracts} Peroozetae
    Another of the Royal Guards units, the Peroozetae ("Victorious Ones") are Clibinari lancers. They are equipped with a heavy kontos, some melee weapons and a shield. Experts in powerful lance charges they are best used as assault troops breaking up enemies formationes. \n\nThe Romans (and later the Byzantines) developed countermeasure such as counterattacking them from the flanks. The Strategikon of Emperor Maurice recommends such tactics due to the risk that the Romans would suffer injury on running into their well ordered ranks.\n\n Less is known about them but it was reported that one Savaran member of the Peroozetae rescued his King, when he cut a noose, that had caught the King`s horse. \n\nEastern peoples have long used heavily armoured - in this case completely armoured - horsemen in battle. Long before the Sassanid dynasty took control, the Parthians had perfected these 'iron warriors' as part of a supreme battle-winning force.Clibinarii are not a perfect answer to every tactical situation. They are superb for grinding down enemy formations, but they cannot be used for more 'traditional' cavalry duties such as pursuit and screening. They are an iron fist inside an iron glove, ready to pummel enemies into submission.


    {armoured_camel_riders} Savaran
    Among the Iranian warrior caste the Savaran knights are the elite and holds a special position of honour in the Sassanian Spah (army). First, only nobles of both the seven Great Clans and the Azadans formed their ranks. Later, after King Khosrow I. (532-579 AD) reforms, the lower Dehkan nobililty were allowed to enter the ranks of the Savaran and so increased the available manpower of Imperial forces. \n\nThe Savaran are the forerunners of medieval knights, their influence in development of weaponry, battle tactics and costumes for Romano-Byzantines and medieval Europe was great. \n\nEach Savaran units seems to have had their own banner and coat of arms (the Drafsh). Drafsh could either be flown as banners or worn as insignia by the Savaran. The Drafsh are displayed on a crosspole or –pole, however shield bosses and tunics could display them, either. There are many different banner designs with lions, tigers, gazelles, boars, wolves and mythological beasts. The Draco flags is especially popular.\n\nSavaran are heavy cavalry, belonging to the cataphracts, with both man and horse protected by high quality armour. Though Savaran are not the answer to every tactical problem, they are true universal cavalrymen, well-versed in both archery and melee weapon. They can weaken their enemies with showers of arrows till they close and attack with lance, sword and mace. But they have to fear well-trained spearmen and more mobile horse-archers such as steppe nomad horse archers with their powerful composite bows.

    {clibinarii_immortals} Pushtigban
    The Pushtighban are the Royal bodyguard unit of the Sassanian Kings. Numbering perhaps 1,000 men they are the elite of the elite. Many members stern from the Great Clans or are other high ranking nobles of the Iranian feudal society and their loyality is unquestionable. \n\nThey are enceased completely in iron mail with protective lamellar and laminated armor underneath as well as armored gloves. The tight fitting face masks have holes and slits for nose and eyes as well as protective mail behind and around the neck. Each knight carries a large kontos, a heavy sword, mace and axe. These “Iron-clad men” have no need for shields. \n\nThe horse has has heavy armor protection for its legs and body. It was reported that some men had to lift up the warrior onto the saddle due to the immense weight of the armor. Only the famous Nisean horse bred could carry such a weight into battle. \n\nIt was written that these knight were so strong, that they could impale two enemies simultaneously. A certain countermeasure of the Romans against these “iron-clad men” was they tried to dive underneath the steed and stab its belly. The fallen knight was almost defenseless due the weight of his armor. Against the far more mobile and flexible steppe nomads equipped with powerful composite bows as the Hephtalites the superheavy knights often meet desaster if they are being left unsupported. \n\nThey are superb for grinding down enemy formations, but they cannot be used for more 'traditional' cavalry duties such as pursuit and screening. They are an iron fist inside an iron glove, ready to pummel enemies into submission.

    {clibinarii} Zhayedan
    Zhayedan (“Immortals” in Pahlavi ), the most famous and most known of the Royal Guards units. They are super-heavy cavalry, with both men and horses armoured from head to toe. They were elite shock troops, intended to close in as fast as possible and wear down the enemy with powerful lance charges and and brutal melee attacks.\n\nHistorically a force of 10,000 men, they are an elite within the Sassanian army. Only few selected Savaran veterans, who had proved them exceptionally in battle, were allowed to join the Zhayedan. Their task was to secure any breakthrough, and they were often held as reserve force, entering the battle at crucial stages.\n\nThey are the revival of the Achaemenid Immortals and so it is highly probably that their uniforms and insignia reflected Achaemenid tradition. Their commander bore the title of Varthragh-Nighan Khvadhay and often was a Prince of the Royal family. \n\nEastern peoples have long used heavily armoured - in this case completely armoured - horsemen in battle. Long before the Sassanid dynasty took control, the Parthians had perfected these 'iron warriors' as part of a supreme battle-winning force.Clibinarii are not a perfect answer to every tactical situation. They are superb for grinding down enemy formations, but they cannot be used for more 'traditional' cavalry duties such as pursuit and screening. They are an iron fist inside an iron glove, ready to pummel enemies into submission.
    There's some problem with a certain unit:

    1. Daylami Sagaris Warrior

    I've seen the unit in IBFD and IB: SAI with a different description. The former (IBFD) called it as Daylami Sagaris Warrior while the latter called it Kushan Axemen, but the real problem lies within the unit's appearence and armament:

    1. Helmet

    The helmet was Kushan origin not Iranian

    2. Weapon

    Sagaris was outdated long before Sassanid rule Iransahr, plus two handed battle was absent from Iransahr. If you need information about the Daylamites then you should look for Encyclopaedia Iranica. Here's a link to the articles about the Daylamites: http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/deylamites, in my honest opinion, it would be javelin and long sword that suit the Daylamites as a proper weapon.

    3. Armor

    The arnor shows that he belongs to royal household, but in fact the royal authorites do not recruit them until the reign of Kosrow II thus making these armor not available for these moment. Plus the armor was actually Central Asian orignin instead of Iranian origin.

    4. Shield

    Daylamites shield was bright colored shield, perhaps these are the ideal example for Dayalamites shield:



    5. Daylami Infantry and Daylami Sagaris Infantry should merge together as one unit.

    2. Sassanian Infantry (renamed as armored spearmen or Nizagan-i Zrebaran)

    The Sassanid authority wasn't an idiot as many believe, they have launch immigration program that brings many military settlers from mainland Iran to strengthen the defense of Mesopotamia or Asoristan since Assyrians, Arameans and Jews are not a supporter of Sassanid administration and prone to rebellion. As for the incentive of becoming a soldier of Iransahr, they have granted tax free land by the authority since they are "Agri-Limitanei" for the state.

    Appearence:

    1. Helmet

    Sassanid ridge or spangenhelm

    2. Shield

    I've seen the unit, it have alot of error for example the shield emblem with a lion helding a curved shamshir was a modern Pahlavi Iranian emblem not Sassanid.

    Achaemenid spara for protection against missile attack.

    (Image)



    3. Armor

    Mail haurberk will do.

    3. Peroozetae

    According to Osprey Sassanian Elite Cavalry ad 224-642, Peroozetae didn't appear until the reign of Kosrow II thus making this unit unavailable in our time period.

    Hopefully these help the team.

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    The truth is that those Saka who have settled down in Sakasahr or modern day Sistan didn't vanished thus making them available to recruit by the Sassanid authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Crooked Philosopher View Post
    There's some problem with a certain unit:

    1. Daylami Sagaris Warrior

    I've seen the unit in IBFD and IB: SAI with a different description. The former (IBFD) called it as Daylami Sagaris Warrior while the latter called it Kushan Axemen, but the real problem lies within the unit's appearence and armament:

    1. Helmet

    The helmet was Kushan origin not Iranian

    2. Weapon

    Sagaris was outdated long before Sassanid rule Iransahr, plus two handed battle was absent from Iransahr. If you need information about the Daylamites then you should look for Encyclopaedia Iranica. Here's a link to the articles about the Daylamites: http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/deylamites, in my honest opinion, it would be javelin and long sword that suit the Daylamites as a proper weapon.

    3. Armor

    The arnor shows that he belongs to royal household, but in fact the royal authorites do not recruit them until the reign of Kosrow II thus making these armor not available for these moment. Plus the armor was actually Central Asian orignin instead of Iranian origin.

    4. Shield

    Daylamites shield was bright colored shield, perhaps these are the ideal example for Dayalamites shield:



    5. Daylami Infantry and Daylami Sagaris Infantry should merge together as one unit.

    2. Sassanian Infantry (renamed as armored spearmen or Nizagan-i Zrebaran)

    The Sassanid authority wasn't an idiot as many believe, they have launch immigration program that brings many military settlers from mainland Iran to strengthen the defense of Mesopotamia or Asoristan since Assyrians, Arameans and Jews are not a supporter of Sassanid administration and prone to rebellion. As for the incentive of becoming a soldier of Iransahr, they have granted tax free land by the authority since they are "Agri-Limitanei" for the state.

    Appearence:

    1. Helmet

    Sassanid ridge or spangenhelm

    2. Shield

    I've seen the unit, it have alot of error for example the shield emblem with a lion helding a curved shamshir was a modern Pahlavi Iranian emblem not Sassanid.

    Achaemenid spara for protection against missile attack.

    (Image)



    3. Armor

    Mail haurberk will do.

    3. Peroozetae

    According to Osprey Sassanian Elite Cavalry ad 224-642, Peroozetae didn't appear until the reign of Kosrow II thus making this unit unavailable in our time period.

    Hopefully these help the team.
    Good Info Thank You

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    Other units like Cataphracts, Armored Camel Riders, Clibanarii and Clibanarii Immortals should have a redo.

    1. Cataphract or Peroozetae should rename Asavaran-i Azadan

    2. Armored Camel Riders or Savaran in IB should become Asavaran-i Dihqanan

    3. Clibanarii should become Asavaran-i Vuzurgan

    4. Clibanarii Immortals should become Zhayedan.

    5. Pushtigban should be the leader's private life guard.

    I've seen Ruina Romae team have armored war elephant in their unit roster but i don't know what's the team policy toward armored elephant in IB, but in my honest opinion without sufficient evidence it would be wise not to deploy armored elephant in the game.

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    Hold on, there's actually a 5th century depiction of Elephants that was recently discovered in Palaestina Secunda:



    They appear to have shields strapped to them. No idea if this is grounded in reality or just some sort of artistic thing. Still, thought it was worth a mention. There is a depiction from the 7th century of war elephants armored with large iron plates, but I have to find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Crooked Philosopher View Post
    Other units like Cataphracts, Armored Camel Riders, Clibanarii and Clibanarii Immortals should have a redo.

    1. Cataphract or Peroozetae should rename Asavaran-i Azadan

    2. Armored Camel Riders or Savaran in IB should become Asavaran-i Dihqanan

    3. Clibanarii should become Asavaran-i Vuzurgan

    4. Clibanarii Immortals should become Zhayedan.

    5. Pushtigban should be the leader's private life guard.

    I've seen Ruina Romae team have armored war elephant in their unit roster but i don't know what's the team policy toward armored elephant in IB, but in my honest opinion without sufficient evidence it would be wise not to deploy armored elephant in the game.
    I think we did get this organized several days ago in the developers room. A few more units have been there also. An elephant use we can restrict, AOR. It can easily be made hard to recruit. AOR could be used for the Deylamite Infantry. Thank You Crooked Philosopher. Much is getting done

    Thank You Magister Militum Flavius Aetius


    EDIT: I believe there were several battles with Sassanids elephants mentioned historically during this era. Something that would need some digging up to quote
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    Ammianus might mention them, but I honestly don't know. They seem to have been more commonly used in Central Asia, against the Guptas; Alkhan, Nezak, Kidarite, and Chionite Huns; and the Hepthaltites.

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    There's only one time that the Sassanid DID use armored war elephant, while most scholar was skeptic about armored elephant especially when iron was scarce so it would be possible they use in the reign of Shabuhr II.

    By the way, i was thinking a new dismounted unit:

    Dismounted Cavalry (Asavaran-i Payahdag)

    I've visit Constantine: Rise of Christianity mod forum, it seems that they have dismount function and they are going to make cavalrymen dismount to fight as infantry. It would be wise that the team ad a dismounted unit into the unit roster especially some shock troops like Daylamites and Gilanis was scarce plus expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Crooked Philosopher View Post
    There's only one time that the Sassanid DID use armored war elephant, while most scholar was skeptic about armored elephant especially when iron was scarce so it would be possible they use in the reign of Shabuhr II.

    By the way, i was thinking a new dismounted unit:

    Dismounted Cavalry (Asavaran-i Payahdag)

    I've visit Constantine: Rise of Christianity mod forum, it seems that they have dismount function and they are going to make cavalrymen dismount to fight as infantry. It would be wise that the team ad a dismounted unit into the unit roster especially some shock troops like Daylamites and Gilanis was scarce plus expensive.
    Certainly we can and a good idea. We will discuss it. The dismount function is available? Its something we can look into also. Thank You. I would like to ask you about a levy type spearmen and swordsmen an your opinion about using them.
    We can add historical characters or heroes to the game as we did with the IB2 Britanniae mod


    Kurdish Javelinmen

    Kurdish Javelinmen
    Kurdish Javelinmen are fleet-footed, tough skirmishers recruited from the harsh hill regions of the Sassanid Empire.\n\nThey are recruited from among the independent Kurds, a people who have a long tradition of irregular warfare, as they do not accept foreign overlords easily. They are best employed to harrass enemies and thin their ranks with missile volleys before the main battle is joined. They are capable of fighting hand-to-hand, but this is not their strength and against anyone other than other skirmishers they will suffer disproportionate casualties.\n\nThey carry little war gear other than their weapons, giving them their speed over rough terrain.
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    What i mean that the team should add a Super Heavy Infantry (Dismounted x) due to the absent of dismounted ability since M2TW do not have dismount ability.

    The fact is the spearmen (Nizagan) and sword auxiliary (Samsirdaran) was the levy type unit i mentioned in the previous roster.

    For sword auxiliary's appearance:

    For the sword auxiliary's, he should have mail coif and mail hauberk since they are used for melee purpose, for the shield however i have an example from somewhere:



    Hopefully it may help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Crooked Philosopher View Post
    What i mean that the team should add a Super Heavy Infantry (Dismounted x) due to the absent of dismounted ability since M2TW do not have dismount ability.
    Yes understood this

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Crooked Philosopher View Post
    What i mean that the team should add a Super Heavy Infantry (Dismounted x) due to the absent of dismounted ability since M2TW do not have dismount ability.

    The fact is the spearmen (Nizagan) and sword auxiliary (Samsirdaran) was the levy type unit i mentioned in the previous roster.

    For sword auxiliary's appearance:

    For the sword auxiliary's, he should have mail coif and mail hauberk since they are used for melee purpose, for the shield however i have an example from somewhere:



    Hopefully it may help.
    Hi The Crooked Philosopher. What is this shield made of? You mentioned a sword unit. What type of sword would be appropriate in your opinion? What about helmets?
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    Shields should be wicker. The Steppe nomads used wicker shields as well.

    That shield is historically accurate if I recall correctly, I think it is based somewhat on an actual find and is certainly depicted in Roman and Sassanid art.

    But I'll admit, I honestly don't know any more than that about it.

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    Awesome, encouraging to see this good work on the mod

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    Pushtighban Should carry a mace also
    A Sassanid general has a personal guard of able and fierce Pushtighban ( royal guard in Pahlavi ). These 'iron horsemen' are an elite to be used at the moment of crisis.\n\nThese 'immortals' are well trained, better armoured than almost every other soldier in the world, and brutally effective! Few other men can hope to stand against an attack by these super-heavy cavalry. The only thing that they have to fear - and this is true of all cavalrymen - is a unit of stalwart spearmen. Even a fully armoured horse will hesitate when faced with gleaming spearpoints. These men are best used as a mobile 'hammer' to smash slow or static enemy units. They are not suited to pursuing fleeing enemies or driving off skirmishers

    Asavaran Missle attack(javelins?)
    Asavaran are super-heavy cavalry, with both man and horse armoured from head to toe. Few can withstand their ponderous lance charge!\n\nEastern peoples have long used heavily armoured - in this case completely armoured - horsemen in battle. Before the Sassanid dynasty took control, the Parthians had perfected these 'iron warriors' as their supreme battle-winning force.\n\nCataphracts are not the answer to every tactical problem. They are superb for breaking enemy formations, but they cannot be used for more 'traditional' cavalry duties such as pursuit and screening. They are an iron fist inside a spiked iron glove, ready to deliver their commander's punch to the enemies' collective throat!




    {gyan_avspa} Gyan Avspar
    Cavalrymen, who particularly distinguished themselves by bravery in battle were incorporated into the Gyan-Avspar (sacrificers of their life). Most Savaran are highly religious and often engaged in Zoroastrian and other Aryan rites with the Magi before entering battles. Some of them swore oaths and entrust their life to the hands of the gods. These are warriors who will never falter nor retreat, they will fight to the death and attempt to take as many enemies with them as possible. \n\nIt is reported that on some occasions when Roman forces saw the banner of the Gyan-Avspar they rather retreated than get attacked.\n\nBelonging to the clibinari these 'iron horsemen' are an elite to be used at the moment of crisis. They are well trained, well armoured and brutally effective! Few other men can hope to stand against an attack by these fanatic cavalry. The only thing that they have to fear (though they claim they do not fear anything)- and this is true of all cavalrymen - is a unit of stalwart spearmen. Even a fully armoured horse will hesitate when faced with gleaming spearpoints.\n\nThese men are best used as a mobile 'hammer' to smash slow or static enemy units. They are not suited to pursuing fleeing enemies or driving off skirmishers.




    {clibinarii} Zhayedan (attack bow)
    Zhayedan ( immortals in Pahlavi ) are super-heavy cavalry, with both men and horses armoured from head to toe, intended to wear down an enemy in close attacks.\n\nEastern peoples have long used heavily armoured - in this case completely armoured - horsemen in battle. Long before the Sassanid dynasty took control, the Parthians had perfected these 'iron warriors' as part of a supreme battle-winning force.\n\nClibinarii are not a perfect answer to every tactical situation. They are superb for grinding down enemy formations, but they cannot be used for more 'traditional' cavalry duties such as pursuit and screening. They are an iron fist inside an iron glove, ready to pummel enemies into submission.


    Sughdian Cavalry Needed= heavier armored horse
    Sughdian Warriors are one of the finest cavalyman available to the Sassanid Empire. Tough, well disciplined, heavily armed and armoured, they are a match for most other civilized soldiers.\n\nTraditionally, eastern armies have always produced strong cavalry types. Sughdians are a professional corps of fighters who can be expected to stand in a battle line and behave with great courage. Their equipment is lavish by the standards of previous times, and their armour is cleverly padded to give some relief under the hot sun. Sughdians should be seen as being the equals in many ways of the best of the Roman legions, and their superiors in some respects too!



    Saka Cavalry
    The Saka were an Iranian speaking peoples of Aryan (Indo-Iranian) Stock. They are considered to be a branch of the Scythians by most scholars, and closely related to the Cimmerians. Being Scythians, they are as much a horse people as their neighbors. They are tough, very capable fighters, preferring a mix of kontos and bow like most other steppe peoples.



    Kamandaran-i Shahvar (Royal Archers)
    The Sassanians relied heavily on their archers, The Sassanian infantry formed at least two-thirds of any Persian army that included any foot. The elites were archers, firing from behind a wall of shields, while ordinary infantry were spearmen, equipped from government armories. There are interesting reports that foot archers are capable to both shoot backwards when retreating, a feat remembering the fammous Parthan shot of horse archers, and fight the enemy in close combat. Such foot archers are an elite and much better equipped the standard archer. Another famous unit are the Royal Foot Archers, a small cadre of some 100 men. They are supposed to defend the throne to the death.\was one battle where foot archers distinguished themselves. It was 542 AD at Anglon, where an Iranian force of some 4,000 troops defeated a Byzantine army of some 30,000 troops. The Iranian lured the Byzanine into the town, where they had prepared fortified positions and hidden cabins. They poured missile volleys from multiple directions at the Byzantines, who could not organize proper countermeasures. The Byzantines were resoundly defeated and many were captured, when they tried to flee in panic




    Kamândâr-î Payâhdag (Foot Archers)


    Deylam Sagaris Axemen
    The sagaris is an ancient waraxe used from the time of ancient Greece, the surrounding peoples have similar versions or copies of this very effective and brutal weapon. The Deylamites (Daylamites/Dimli/Dimili) were known for their skirmishers and their use of the war-axe.\n\nThe Deylamite Infantry is considered as one of the best infantry in the middle east, if not the best. Roman sources have spoken highly of the Deylamites`s skills and hardiness in close combat with sword and dagger. The Arab scholar Muqaddasi reported that Dailam was ‘neither too big, nor too beautiful’. The Arab historians wrote that the Dailamites were a strong and numerous race, renowned for its extraordinary courage and its great endurance, and whose representatives had a good looking, commanding appearance and handsome beards. An Arab source calls the Dailamites ashqar ‘a rosy colour’. The long and disordered hair of the Dailamites has at all times produced fresh metaphores of the poets who mentioned their black skull caps just as often.


    Deylamite Infantry
    Recruited from the mountainous Deylam area of northern Iran, the Deylamite (Daylamites/Dimli/Dimili) Infantry is considered as one of the best infantry in the middle east, if not the best in the Iranian army. Roman sources have spoken highly of the Deylamites`s skills and hardiness in close combat with sword and dagger. \n\n Their weapons included battle axe, heavy sword, sling, dagger. As missile weapons they use a short two-pronged spear, which could either used in hand-to-hand combat or be hurled in manner of Roman legionnaires. Shields are brightly painted. The Muslim Arabs of the 7th century proved unable to subdue the Dailamites. Whenever Dailamites joined the Muslim army they were eagerly welcomed by the Arabs into their ranks, who would often pay them more than Arab troops.


    Sughdian Warriors
    Sughdian Warriors are very fine infantry: tough, well disciplined, heavily armed and armoured, they are a match for most other civilized soldiers.\n\nTraditionally, eastern armies have always produced weak infantry types, men who are often little better - and no more willing - than military slaves. Sughdians, on the other hand, are a professional corps of fighters who can be expected to stand in a battle line and behave with great courage. Their equipment is lavish by the standards of previous times, and their armour is cleverly padded to give some relief under the hot sun. Sughdians should be seen as being the equals in many ways to the best of the Roman legions, and in some respects, even to their superiors!{merc_sughdian_warriors_descr_short}
    Sughdian Warriors are very fine mercenary infantry: tough, well disciplined, heavily armed and armoured, they are a match for most other civilized soldiers.


    Nizagan-i Zrehbaran (armored spearmen)Remove Lion symbol
    The Sassanids, as much as other civilized army at the time, relied a lot on infantry. Many have mistaken the low-quality Paighan with Sassanian regular infantry. Though the Sassanian cavalry are more well known, the role of the Sassanian regular infantry is at times thought of as equal to Roman Legionnaires. \n\nIn battle they initially stand behind the foot archers, who will retire behind the heavy infantry ranks after their missile supplies are exhausted. Then the heavy infantry will engage in hand-to-hand fighting. Another successful tactic is to place them behind the Savaran, they would advance in coordination with them. As soon as the Savaran are about to reach enemies lines they will retire to the left and right wings. That would allow the heavy infantry to close in and engage the enemy infantry. That would surprise the enemy, who expects an cavalry charge, and pin down him so that the Savaran could attack the now vulnerable flanks. They are a professional corps of fighters who can be expected to stand in a battle line and behave with great courage but their equipment is certainly not equal to the cavalry. Nethertheless the Iranians excelled in archery and cavalry and could never fully matched Roman expertise in infantry.




    Payâhdag-î Nîzagân (Levy Spearmen armed with shield and spear)
    Paighan are raised from the poorest in society: at best, they are men taken into the army in lieu of paying their taxes. They are given weapons, some rudimentary training, and told to obey!\n\nPaighan are useful for putting pressure on a battle line, if not actually causing it to collapse, at least to weaken it. However, they shouldn't be relied upon to fight for long against professional heavy infantry. \n\nBeing low-status individuals - almost with the status of state slaves - and relatively expendable, they are one of the last to receive equipment. Other than a simple weapon, most are lucky to be given a cloth-covered wicker shield. This is good enough to make a man feel safe, but rarely enough to stop a good sword swing!


    Sword Paighan
    Paighan are raised from the poorest in society: at best, they are men taken into the army in lieu of paying their taxes. They are given weapons, some rudimentary training, and told to obey!\n\nPaighan are useful for putting pressure on a battle line, if not actually causing it to collapse, at least to weaken it. However, they shouldn't be relied upon to fight for long against professional heavy infantry. \n\nBeing low-status individuals - almost with the status of state slaves - and relatively expendable, they are one of the last to receive equipment. Other than a simple weapon, most are lucky to be given a cloth-covered wicker shield. This is good enough to make a man feel safe, but rarely enough to stop a good sword swing!



    Kurdish Javelinmen
    Kurdish Javelinmen are fleet-footed, tough skirmishers recruited from the harsh hill regions of the Sassanid Empire.\n\nThey are recruited from among the independent Kurds, a people who have a long tradition of irregular warfare, as they do not accept foreign overlords easily. They are best employed to harrass enemies and thin their ranks with missile volleys before the main battle is joined. They are capable of fighting hand-to-hand, but this is not their strength and against anyone other than other skirmishers they will suffer disproportionate casualties.\n\nThey carry little war gear other than their weapons, giving them their speed over rough terrain.

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    Latest update. There will be some flexibility in creation and texturing of these units

    Midnight will re model and texture these units as below

    Units inspired by RTW BI Mods
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    Pushtighban Should carry a mace also
    A Sassanid general has a personal guard of able and fierce Pushtighban ( royal guard in Pahlavi ). These 'iron horsemen' are an elite to be used at the moment of crisis.\n\nThese 'immortals' are well trained, better armoured than almost every other soldier in the world, and brutally effective! Few other men can hope to stand against an attack by these super-heavy cavalry. The only thing that they have to fear - and this is true of all cavalrymen - is a unit of stalwart spearmen. Even a fully armoured horse will hesitate when faced with gleaming spearpoints. These men are best used as a mobile 'hammer' to smash slow or static enemy units. They are not suited to pursuing fleeing enemies or driving off skirmishers

    Asavaran Missle attack arrows
    Asavaran are super-heavy cavalry, with both man and horse armoured from head to toe. Few can withstand their ponderous lance charge!\n\nEastern peoples have long used heavily armoured - in this case completely armoured - horsemen in battle. Before the Sassanid dynasty took control, the Parthians had perfected these 'iron warriors' as their supreme battle-winning force.\n\nCataphracts are not the answer to every tactical problem. They are superb for breaking enemy formations, but they cannot be used for more 'traditional' cavalry duties such as pursuit and screening. They are an iron fist inside a spiked iron glove, ready to deliver their commander's punch to the enemies' collective throat!




    {gyan_avspa} Gyan Avspar
    Cavalrymen, who particularly distinguished themselves by bravery in battle were incorporated into the Gyan-Avspar (sacrificers of their life). Most Savaran are highly religious and often engaged in Zoroastrian and other Aryan rites with the Magi before entering battles. Some of them swore oaths and entrust their life to the hands of the gods. These are warriors who will never falter nor retreat, they will fight to the death and attempt to take as many enemies with them as possible. \n\nIt is reported that on some occasions when Roman forces saw the banner of the Gyan-Avspar they rather retreated than get attacked.\n\nBelonging to the clibinari these 'iron horsemen' are an elite to be used at the moment of crisis. They are well trained, well armoured and brutally effective! Few other men can hope to stand against an attack by these fanatic cavalry. The only thing that they have to fear (though they claim they do not fear anything)- and this is true of all cavalrymen - is a unit of stalwart spearmen. Even a fully armoured horse will hesitate when faced with gleaming spearpoints.\n\nThese men are best used as a mobile 'hammer' to smash slow or static enemy units. They are not suited to pursuing fleeing enemies or driving off skirmishers.




    {clibinarii} Zhayedan (attack bow)
    Zhayedan ( immortals in Pahlavi ) are super-heavy cavalry, with both men and horses armoured from head to toe, intended to wear down an enemy in close attacks.\n\nEastern peoples have long used heavily armoured - in this case completely armoured - horsemen in battle. Long before the Sassanid dynasty took control, the Parthians had perfected these 'iron warriors' as part of a supreme battle-winning force.\n\nClibinarii are not a perfect answer to every tactical situation. They are superb for grinding down enemy formations, but they cannot be used for more 'traditional' cavalry duties such as pursuit and screening. They are an iron fist inside an iron glove, ready to pummel enemies into submission.


    Sughdian Cavalry Needed= heavier armored horse
    Sughdian Warriors are one of the finest cavalyman available to the Sassanid Empire. Tough, well disciplined, heavily armed and armoured, they are a match for most other civilized soldiers.\n\nTraditionally, eastern armies have always produced strong cavalry types. Sughdians are a professional corps of fighters who can be expected to stand in a battle line and behave with great courage. Their equipment is lavish by the standards of previous times, and their armour is cleverly padded to give some relief under the hot sun. Sughdians should be seen as being the equals in many ways of the best of the Roman legions, and their superiors in some respects too!



    Saka Cavalry
    The Saka were an Iranian speaking peoples of Aryan (Indo-Iranian) Stock. They are considered to be a branch of the Scythians by most scholars, and closely related to the Cimmerians. Being Scythians, they are as much a horse people as their neighbors. They are tough, very capable fighters, preferring a mix of kontos and bow like most other steppe peoples.





    JangAvaran-i Sassani (Heavy Infantry armed with javelins and swords):





    Kamandaran-i Shahvar (Royal Archers)
    The Sassanians relied heavily on their archers, The Sassanian infantry formed at least two-thirds of any Persian army that included any foot. The elites were archers, firing from behind a wall of shields, while ordinary infantry were spearmen, equipped from government armories. There are interesting reports that foot archers are capable to both shoot backwards when retreating, a feat remembering the fammous Parthan shot of horse archers, and fight the enemy in close combat. Such foot archers are an elite and much better equipped the standard archer. Another famous unit are the Royal Foot Archers, a small cadre of some 100 men. They are supposed to defend the throne to the death.\was one battle where foot archers distinguished themselves. It was 542 AD at Anglon, where an Iranian force of some 4,000 troops defeated a Byzantine army of some 30,000 troops. The Iranian lured the Byzanine into the town, where they had prepared fortified positions and hidden cabins. They poured missile volleys from multiple directions at the Byzantines, who could not organize proper countermeasures. The Byzantines were resoundly defeated and many were captured, when they tried to flee in panic




    Kamândâr-î Payâhdag (Foot Archers)


    Deylam Sagaris Axemen
    The sagaris is an ancient waraxe used from the time of ancient Greece, the surrounding peoples have similar versions or copies of this very effective and brutal weapon. The Deylamites (Daylamites/Dimli/Dimili) were known for their skirmishers and their use of the war-axe.\n\nThe Deylamite Infantry is considered as one of the best infantry in the middle east, if not the best. Roman sources have spoken highly of the Deylamites`s skills and hardiness in close combat with sword and dagger. The Arab scholar Muqaddasi reported that Dailam was ‘neither too big, nor too beautiful’. The Arab historians wrote that the Dailamites were a strong and numerous race, renowned for its extraordinary courage and its great endurance, and whose representatives had a good looking, commanding appearance and handsome beards. An Arab source calls the Dailamites ashqar ‘a rosy colour’. The long and disordered hair of the Dailamites has at all times produced fresh metaphores of the poets who mentioned their black skull caps just as often.


    Deylamite Infantry
    Recruited from the mountainous Deylam area of northern Iran, the Deylamite (Daylamites/Dimli/Dimili) Infantry is considered as one of the best infantry in the middle east, if not the best in the Iranian army. Roman sources have spoken highly of the Deylamites`s skills and hardiness in close combat with sword and dagger. \n\n Their weapons included battle axe, heavy sword, sling, dagger. As missile weapons they use a short two-pronged spear, which could either used in hand-to-hand combat or be hurled in manner of Roman legionnaires. Shields are brightly painted. The Muslim Arabs of the 7th century proved unable to subdue the Dailamites. Whenever Dailamites joined the Muslim army they were eagerly welcomed by the Arabs into their ranks, who would often pay them more than Arab troops.


    Sughdian Warriors
    Sughdian Warriors are very fine infantry: tough, well disciplined, heavily armed and armoured, they are a match for most other civilized soldiers.\n\nTraditionally, eastern armies have always produced weak infantry types, men who are often little better - and no more willing - than military slaves. Sughdians, on the other hand, are a professional corps of fighters who can be expected to stand in a battle line and behave with great courage. Their equipment is lavish by the standards of previous times, and their armour is cleverly padded to give some relief under the hot sun. Sughdians should be seen as being the equals in many ways to the best of the Roman legions, and in some respects, even to their superiors!{merc_sughdian_warriors_descr_short}
    Sughdian Warriors are very fine mercenary infantry: tough, well disciplined, heavily armed and armoured, they are a match for most other civilized soldiers.


    Nizagan-i Zrehbaran (armored spearmen)Remove Lion symbol
    The Sassanids, as much as other civilized army at the time, relied a lot on infantry. Many have mistaken the low-quality Paighan with Sassanian regular infantry. Though the Sassanian cavalry are more well known, the role of the Sassanian regular infantry is at times thought of as equal to Roman Legionnaires. \n\nIn battle they initially stand behind the foot archers, who will retire behind the heavy infantry ranks after their missile supplies are exhausted. Then the heavy infantry will engage in hand-to-hand fighting. Another successful tactic is to place them behind the Savaran, they would advance in coordination with them. As soon as the Savaran are about to reach enemies lines they will retire to the left and right wings. That would allow the heavy infantry to close in and engage the enemy infantry. That would surprise the enemy, who expects an cavalry charge, and pin down him so that the Savaran could attack the now vulnerable flanks. They are a professional corps of fighters who can be expected to stand in a battle line and behave with great courage but their equipment is certainly not equal to the cavalry. Nethertheless the Iranians excelled in archery and cavalry and could never fully matched Roman expertise in infantry.




    Payâhdag-î Nîzagân (Levy Spearmen armed with shield and spear)
    Paighan are raised from the poorest in society: at best, they are men taken into the army in lieu of paying their taxes. They are given weapons, some rudimentary training, and told to obey!\n\nPaighan are useful for putting pressure on a battle line, if not actually causing it to collapse, at least to weaken it. However, they shouldn't be relied upon to fight for long against professional heavy infantry. \n\nBeing low-status individuals - almost with the status of state slaves - and relatively expendable, they are one of the last to receive equipment. Other than a simple weapon, most are lucky to be given a cloth-covered wicker shield. This is good enough to make a man feel safe, but rarely enough to stop a good sword swing!


    Sword Paighan
    Paighan are raised from the poorest in society: at best, they are men taken into the army in lieu of paying their taxes. They are given weapons, some rudimentary training, and told to obey!\n\nPaighan are useful for putting pressure on a battle line, if not actually causing it to collapse, at least to weaken it. However, they shouldn't be relied upon to fight for long against professional heavy infantry. \n\nBeing low-status individuals - almost with the status of state slaves - and relatively expendable, they are one of the last to receive equipment. Other than a simple weapon, most are lucky to be given a cloth-covered wicker shield. This is good enough to make a man feel safe, but rarely enough to stop a good sword swing!



    Kurdish Javelinmen
    Kurdish Javelinmen are fleet-footed, tough skirmishers recruited from the harsh hill regions of the Sassanid Empire.\n\nThey are recruited from among the independent Kurds, a people who have a long tradition of irregular warfare, as they do not accept foreign overlords easily. They are best employed to harrass enemies and thin their ranks with missile volleys before the main battle is joined. They are capable of fighting hand-to-hand, but this is not their strength and against anyone other than other skirmishers they will suffer disproportionate casualties.\n\nThey carry little war gear other than their weapons, giving them their speed over rough terrain.
    Last edited by Riothamus; September 30, 2014 at 09:19 AM.

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    Jangavaran-i Sassani should become Asavaran-i Payahdag (dismounted cavalrymen)

    Sword Paygan should become Samsirdaran (sword auxiliary).

    Payahdag-i Nizagan should become Nizagan (spearmen).

    Daylami Sagaris should become Tabargane Daylamig because Tabar was popular in Hyrcania instead of Sagaris and it wasn't a two handed battle axe.

    Kamandar-i Payahdag should become Kamadar-i Eransahr as a reminder they are Iranians not any outlanders who served Eransahr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Crooked Philosopher View Post
    Jangavaran-i Sassani should become Asavaran-i Payahdag (dismounted cavalrymen)

    Sword Paygan should become Samsirdaran (sword auxiliary).

    Payahdag-i Nizagan should become Nizagan (spearmen).

    Daylami Sagaris should become Tabargane Daylamig because Tabar was popular in Hyrcania instead of Sagaris and it wasn't a two handed battle axe.

    Kamandar-i Payahdag should become Kamadar-i Eransahr as a reminder they are Iranians not any outlanders who served Eransahr.
    We will go much deeper into details soon and hopefully with your further guidance. We want to establish the factions on the map and then go in depth into the faction unit lists so we will certainly come back to the Sassanid units. The map and the geographical locations of the Sassanids settlements you may be big help to us if you desire so. Thank You The Crooked Philosopher

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