light_spear vs spear, still some changes needed

[Thuycidides]

Thureophoroi and Jewish Spearmen still have the spear attribute instead of light_spear in the export_descr_unit file. This makes the formations go to hell in combat, and the thureophoroi will push through heavier units.

Where is the best place to report this so it can be adjusted in the next update? I know that almost all of the spearmen had their attribute adjusted to light_spear, so my guess is that it was just overlooked.

[Gen.jamesWolfe]

Thureophoroi and Jewish Spearmen still have the spear attribute instead of light_spear in the export_descr_unit file. This makes the formations go to hell in combat, and the thureophoroi will push through heavier units.

Where is the best place to report this so it can be adjusted in the next update?

I'm looking at it now (the one for 2.01), and it says it's light spear. strange.

either way, it'll be the next release for sure.

[QuintusSertorius]

Would it cause any problems elsewhere if we just changed it to light_spear in the EDU for ourselves?

My EDU also has spear for stat_sec_attr, where Hoplitai have light_spear. In fact Sabellian Hastati have spear as well. As do Camillan Principes.

[Thuycidides]

This is what mine says (thureophoroi) with the 2.01 update:

stat_pri 9, 1, prec_javelin70, 70, 1, thrown, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
;stat_pri 9, 1, javelin, 30, 5, thrown, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr prec, thrown
stat_sec 8, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_simple, piercing, spear, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr spear

[Thuycidides]

Would it cause any problems elsewhere if we just changed it to light_spear in the EDU for ourselves?

No, but it is not save-game compatible. At least, for me it is not.

[Gen.jamesWolfe]

Would it cause any problems elsewhere if we just changed it to light_spear in the EDU for ourselves?

My EDU also has spear for stat_sec_attr, where Hoplitai have light_spear. In fact Sabellian Hastati have spear as well. As do Camillan Principes.

in theory, no. in practice, it depends, since Thucydides reports save game incompatibility. try it out and see what happens

[QuintusSertorius]

in theory, no. in practice, it depends, since Thucydides reports save game incompatibility. try it out and see what happens

I've backed up the original, so I'll have a go and see. EDIT: Not savegame compatible for me, either.

From a balancing point of view, should I be removing the bonuses some of them have, eg the Camillan Principes have spear_bonus_6, is that to counter the spear attribute?

[Thuycidides]

spear_bonus_x is for cavalry.

http://medieval2.heavengames.com/m2t...de/index.shtml

Which spear units have the bonus and which do not seems very inconsistent in the export_descr_unit file.

[bovi]

I'm looking at it now (the one for 2.01), and it says it's light spear. strange.

either way, it'll be the next release for sure.

Actually, you're looking at the file in the trunk, not the one for 2.01. The light-spear changes are done in the latest EDU revision 8901, the 2.01 installer was built from 8891.

I may have included stuff in the change list by mistake from revisions made after the branch. I'll verify.

Edit: No, not my mistake, revision 8881 says "ok, fixed the "light_spear" attribute error....hopefully.", so the change item came from this one. I edited the message for the change list (I've edited a lot of things that did not fit in a consise list). The further changes came in 8895, which should complete this fix. Although the commit message for that revision didn't mention any spears...

So yeah, in conclusion thanks for your vigilance, Thucydides! Thankfully it should be fixed by the next release.

[alex86]

If this is something that's "broken" and serious, would it be possible to release the file as a sub-mod in the interim?

[bovi]

Not critical (gamebreaking), so no official hotfix. But submod, go right ahead.

[Principe Alessandro]

Looking at the EDU I see that many more units have the spear attribute, this is very different from EB1 where the philosophy was to give the light_spear attribute to all spearmen unit.

In this case instead both attributes are used, there is any particular evaluation with which it is determined what attribute is applied to spearmen units?

[QuintusSertorius]

Is someone going to have a go at this? I can't use the EDCT hotfix in my current game, so when I start a new one (which I'm presuming will happen before the next major patch) I'd like to test out the EDU changes too.

Alternatively, if someone can explain the justification behind why some units with spear have spear_bonus_x and some don't, I'll have a go myself. Should it be a blanket spear_bonus_4 for all light_spear units (as I think it was is EB1)?

Or instead, if the team could release the EDU from 8895 (assuming it'll still work with the files in 2.01), that would be cool, too.

[QuintusSertorius]

I've had a go at this, see here.