ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

[Thorn777]

Srsly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_...change_actions

[Mary The Quene]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a-9233424.html

meh FSA still wants to go with Al-qaida to bed............

[Farnan]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a-9233424.html

meh FSA still wants to go with Al-qaida to bed............

Look at the date

[Heathen Hammer]

Source for the 900th time?

Al-Nusra leadership meeting with CIA officials.
According to Nabil Na’eem, the founder of the Islamic Democratic Jihad Party and former top al-Qaeda commander, ISIS and other jihadist groups actually work with CIA.

What's your plan then? I hope you agree that ISIS is bad and they need to be taken out, right? Well someone's gotta do it. The Kurds and other factions who contribute the "boots on the ground" have expressly asked for American air support. Otherwise, they'd be in bad trouble now.

Leave Middle East alone. Stop backing Israel and Gulf states and allow Assad to finish off the jihadists. Provide material aid to parties willing to fight islamists, such as Kurds and Alawites.

[Farnan]

Iranian news and YouTube. I'd say a new low, but that's actually a slight improvement.

[Mary The Quene]

Look at the date

Mistake from me. Sorry

anyways SAA has killed 130 ISIS terrorists in deir ez zor today at the airbase.

[Vanoi]

Al-Nusra leadership meeting with CIA officials.

Nice source. Iranian-state owned broadcasting network. this still doesn't even prove your claim however the US supports Al-nusra.

According to Nabil Na’eem, the founder of the Islamic Democratic Jihad Party and former top al-Qaeda commander, ISIS and other jihadist groups actually work with CIA.

He also claims its a neo-cconservative/ Isreali conspiracy to balkanze the middle East. No evidence presented of course by him, just a claim as usual. Never-mind him being former Al-Qaeda which makes him biased against the IS since you know, they hate each other.

Leave Middle East alone. Stop backing Israel and Gulf states and allow Assad to finish off the jihadists. Provide material aid to parties willing to fight islamists, such as Kurds and Alawites.

No, Assads regime is going to fall. He has conducted chemical weapons attacks not once but twice now. He supported the very group that is tearing Syria apart and to this day buys their oil providing them millions of dollars.

[Mary The Quene]

Assad is not going to fall

Blah blah blah

[Vanoi]

We will see once the US starts bombing ISIS in Syria and passes that 500 million dollars worth of arms and training to the FSA.

[Thorn777]

No, Assads regime is going to fall. He has conducted chemical weapons attacks not once but twice now. He supported the very group that is tearing Syria apart and to this day buys their oil providing them millions of dollars.

The lengths people go justify their puny and discredited views...

[Treize]

We will see once the US starts bombing ISIS in Syria and passes that 500 million dollars worth of arms and training to the FSA.

To what group of Taymiyya worshipping cutthroats?

Farooq Brigades? SRF?

[Vanoi]

To what group of Taymiyya worshipping cutthroats?

Farooq Brigades? SRF?

Farooq brigade was destroyed and disbanded over a year ago. SRF yes, and the Hazzm movement.

The lengths people go justify their puny and discredited views...

Thorn, this isn't 2013 anymore. Assad can't hide his crimes. We know he uses barrel bombs that indiscriminately kill hundreds of civilians every month. You can't hide how he shelled the city of Homs to the ground killing thousands of people. Assad can't hide his government threatening to attack UN aid convoys heading to rebel-held areas. Assad starving out entire towns for supporting the rebels.

Assad is just as bad as some of the rebels he is fighting.

[Treize]

Farooq is marginalised but probably still exists. SRF is Islamist, Hazzm movement is Islamist.

Minorities will never accept an Islamist government.

[Costin_Razvan]

He was also Supremely Arrogant, surrounded himself with sycophants, commonly ignored intelligence from the field, treated Soldiers as disposable tools to increase his personal glory, and is the most overrated general in US history. Now Ridgeway on the other hand...

Any general worth a damn was an arrogant glory seeking hound, look at Patton, Montgomery, Rommel etc. As for ignoring intelligence with regards to China, everyone underestimated them and everyone ed up. Regarding treating soldiers as disposable tools, that's how every general should view his soldiers because that's exactly what they are. Placing the lives of your soldiers above strategic considerations is foolish. Now granted it is important to make the soldiers feel like you do care, but that's an illusion.

Ridgway comes nowhere close to the competency of MacArthur in military, political and civilian affairs, and this all comes back to my original point: The US and NATO need someone who is capable of seeing the bigger picture from a civilian and political affair and is willing to tell everyone to piss off in order get things done as they should. Iraq and Syria are as they are because of incompetent leaders.

Assad is just as bad as some of the rebels he is fighting.

Irrelevant. The questions we should be asking is who is going to provide the Middle East stability, a certain respect of minority groups, is someone we can sit down at the negotiating table and talk to.

Assad is that guy. Sure some idealists might talk of the Syrian National Council, but those are incompetent and have no say over the armed groups.

Unless the west is willing to invade Syria with hundreds of thousands of troops with a solid military, political and civilian vision for the country based on the realities of the middle east then Assad is the best way to go.

[tiger77]

Retired Lt. Colonel: Obama Is Arming ISIS to Fight ISIS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgh762Nf1Qc

[Diglytron]

The amount of obvious well known nonsense and in this thread is ridiculous high, for just 6 pages. Worse than the previous thread that? disappeared?) I never get why people would believe in those complete retarded conspiracy theories, and its funny that most pro-Assad people are actually claiming US created IS. They should see the official announcements in the pro-regime press in late 2011, early 2012. Assad released major radicals from his prison in Damascus, letting them create Ahrar, Jaish Al Muhajadeen, Green Brigade/Battalion and Jahbat Al-Nusrah. (No, not only the public leaders were released, most previously released by Assad are now the important persons in the Surah councils or local field commanders.

[Treize]

http://warincontext.org/2014/09/13/f...-against-isis/

[Costin_Razvan]

Claiming Assad directly created Nusra is like claiming the US created ISIS in terms of ridiculous BS. Certainly Assad did allow the radicals to fight the moderates without him intervening, but so what? Both are his enemies and both want him dead, so him using them against each other is well done on his part.

ISIS exists because the Coalition handled Iraq very badly.

[Diglytron]

delete double post.

[Diglytron]

http://warincontext.org/2014/09/13/f...-against-isis/

That was pretty much expected. US is very unpopular. Still, its huge if confirmed true, as Obama promised the US public allies on the ground in Syria. Don't know who he is going to ask to fight IS now, but Ahrar only turned more radical now their leadership is gone (some old Jihadist who fought the Americans in Iraq is now the leader of Ahrar, and thus also of the Islamic Front), Kurdish factions like YPG are to much not a friend (maybe not directly a enemy) of Turkey to support.

Of course what should be noted is that the FSA will continue to fight the Islamic State, and that this doesn't say anything really. Apart from the view of the public. Certainly in Aleppo countryside FSA is in a defensive constant war with IS that will last till either FSA there is defeated or IS retreats (which is unlikely). Also in Ar-Raqqa province FSA just formed the 'liberation of Raqqa brigade', thus stating to directly threaten the IS capital. Its interesting anyway.

How updated is this thread? Is it pure a discussion thread for the US-IS conflict or also the war in Syria and Iraq? Cause I would really like to talk about the siege of Deir Ez Zor airport. Some very significant battle is there ongoing, with top regime commanders involved. Regime risks A LOT in Deir Ezzor, and nobody seems to focus on that.

Also I found this pretty interesting. The Al-Furqan Brigades captured Hamidiya near border with Israel, calling it the "Zionist entity" (their own words) and making some other interesting comments on their stance towards Israel. In Arabic, ofcourse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs5nuuziZ2M

Also some other stuff:

IS renamed the biggest mosque in Ar-Raqqah to the Osama bin Laden Mosque. Hmmm... While still fighting the 'apostates' of the organisation he founded. Well, cool, I guess. Will attract even more Nusrah members to the Islamic State.



Also: Did anyone of you read on the new coalition between FSA and YPG (and what seems Islamic Front?). They've (the YPG primarily here) have been doing pretty well in their first days. Capturing Tal Hamīs from Islamic State fighters earlier today. Located here; Pretty sure some of the weapons delivered to the Peshmerga found its way to the Kurds in Syria already. Saw some pretty fancy ATM's in YPG hands, and they didn't captured those from IS or FSA.....