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    American political star John McCain visiting ISIS headquarters:

    ISIS Post PR Photos They Took With John McCain



    To the far left, we also see Khalid al-Hamad who is none other than the infamous “heart-eater” featured in a viral video where he cut out and ate the heart of a Shiite victim of ISIS in Syria.
    US arming ISIS terrorists
    Senator Rand Paul said the US government has been arming ISIS militants in Syria and funding its allies.

    Paul has told NBC News’s ‘Meet the Press’ that the US government has been funding ISIS's allies and supporting the terrorist group in Syria.

    “They're emboldened because we've been supporting them … It could be Assad [could have] wiped these people out months ago,” the Kentucky senator said.

    “I personally believe that this group would not be in Iraq and would not be as powerful had we not been supplying their allies in the war.”

    Rand said that Saudi Arabia and Qatar, two major Persian Gulf allies of the US, have been funding the terrorist group.

    “We should prevent [ISIS] from exporting terror but I'm not so sure where the clear-cut American interest is,” Paul added.

    Earlier this week, an independent news website, WND, reported that ISIS members have been trained by the CIA at a secret base in Jordan in 2012 to fight the Syrian government.

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    what a nutcase
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    Awesome someone posting PressTV unironically. What next, Korean Central New Agency (DPRK news)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilkas09 View Post
    American political star John McCain visiting ISIS headquarters:

    ISIS Post PR Photos They Took With John McCain


    US arming ISIS terrorists
    Yes yes, it's all the Americans' fault. And don't forget the Jews. Because other people never act according to their own agenda...

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    well, i don't see any other power arming 'moderate' islamists
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    FSA founder Colonel Riad al-asaad said the FSA will NOT collaborate with the US in its war against ISIS . He added the US is working to destroy the FSA . He said that since 2011 the Americans promised aid that never materialized , and meanwhile they worked to split the rebels & to help al-assad. Now the Obama regime would like the FSA fight ISIS alongside Iran quds forces , hezbollah & the iraqi shia militias . The FSA will never do .
    ^^Will that's awkward.

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    Assaad, "The army will not cooperate with the United States, in its war against the planned organization of the Islamic State", besieged cooperation with them "to drop the regime of Bashar al-Assad."

    He stressed Assaad in statements made by the Anatolia Thursday that "those who want to overthrow the regime, Vliet guarantee of Army free, and the plan meets the goals of the revolution, and thus free him," adding that "the other is the alliances do not know anything about it, not even consulted by the Syrians, and therefore they will not be demanding the implementation of what they are asked. "

    He said Assaad that "the United States, are working to end the free army, because the army home, and the army of the revolution, and the army of all the Syrians, and the Army of National Unity, the military guarantor of victory, and has been classified on the red list, Vdamt factions under the name of the moderate opposition, and in spite of all this support, she could not cancel this historic merit. "

    On the other hand, explained that "the name of the free army remained in the minds and spirit of the people, she went back America for the mixing of securities by directing the media, to speak on behalf of the FSA moderate, and tarnish the image of this entity, which was and still is the safety valve of the revolution and stand all he could in the face of all conspiracies that beset Syria and the fate of the revolution, and the appearance of division and reveled band, trying to portray him as a client. "

    He stressed that "the FSA is the same has not changed not changed, and all the factions that have accepted to be factions of the opposition, the people know exactly, and America will not bring those only shame, nor want them to be free, but slaves, as it did in Egypt, Yemen, Iraq and Libya , they are against the emancipation of the people, and with Israel's interests first and foremost, "he said.

    According to Assaad that "since the first year of the revolution, we hear from America they would support the moderate opposition, we have not seen in reality, but in support of tearing rows, sow divisions between the factions, the decline at the expense of offering the system, and manufacturing clients serve their interests, as happened in Iraq, they are moving within their interests , and do not move when they annihilated the people. "

    He also accused al-Asaad, "America as a supported organization (my Ka Ka terrorist), even threatening the interests of neighboring countries, and arrived in the arms to them, and everyone knows this party, how it is an ally of the system, how are his help, we have not seen from this support, but to increase the conflict, recognition U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, there is no truth nor credibility, but to achieve the interests and exchange files only, in Ukraine and Yemen, and the victim is the Syrian people, and chemical weapons are Public, how we ended up with more negotiations with Iran. "As described.

    He asked Assaad "Do they want us to cooperate with the lawful ground and supply in Syria, gangs of Hezbollah, and Abu al Fadl al Abbas, and the Qods Force, and the Badr Organization, and other organizations that have entered Syria, did not hear of a even just a single conviction, and they did not intervene to save the The Syrian people, but will interfere to kill the spirit of pride and dignity among young people, who came out demanding their freedom and dignity, under the pretext of terrorism. "

    And went to the "Free Syrian Army, is these young people who came out to the highest and most beautiful phrases in the history of mankind, did not demand the killing, and did not ask for war, but they demanded freedom and dignity, and raised slogans of national, he refuses to impairment of its dignity or freedom, and will fight with all means to topple the regime the offender. "

    And unfortunately Assaad on "rating moderate opposition, where the revolution's children and youth aged jasmine, and the revolution was an example for all the revolutions of the world of slogans Semitic, and national unity, and the demands of the fair, and stop with the bulk of the Syrian people, women and men, and did not hear one day that the revolution is the opposition moderate and non-moderate, not revolution revolution indivisible not changed, but after I entered some hands to tamper with them, we began to hear these classifications. "

    On the decision of President Barack Obama, military strikes against al "Islamic state", pointed out that he "respects the decision, but is it respected the decision of the Syrian people when they demanded freedom and dignity, and the regime of committing the most horrific massacres, of chopping heads, and dragged and raped, and committing all kinds of terrorism against the people. "

    The face-Assaad other questions to the American administration, "Did you mention Hamza al-Khatib, and the girl child emigrated, or the massacre of al-Baida in Banias, or massacres, Hula, and Altrimssh, and Almsthomh, while were not" Islamic state "exists, and why it did not move the conscience of mankind, even when using chemical weapons , we have not seen a move against it. "

    He continued, saying, "Are you woke up the human conscience to have after the killing of American journalist, or after the threat of a strategic ally of America, who are Shiites and Kurds, and why they do not act to save the Iraqi people, when committed against him organized state terrorism, by gangs of former Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, in full view of America. "

    President Barack Obama delivered a speech this morning, included four elements within his plan to meet the organization "Daash"; First, "Implementation of a systematic campaign of air strikes, and the expansion of the campaign in order to go beyond humanitarian aid, and the campaign will target the fundamentalist Islamic state wherever they are, and this means that it will not hesitate to organize strikes inside Syria, not Iraq only, these will not find a safe place anywhere. "

    While the second item included increased support for ground forces, which is battling against "Daash"; where Obama said, "We will increase our support for the ground troops who are fighting these fighters, has sent advisers to assess the best ways to support the Iraqi forces, and these teams have completed their work and we will send 470 another expert to Iraq, and these will not lead the fighting on the ground, but there is a need for them to support the Kurdish forces and Iraqi forces in training and processing equipment, and today, I ask Congress again that allows us greater resources to equip the ground forces of our allies on the ground, and in Syria must support "armed opposition moderate ".


    http://www.alquds.co.uk/?p=219490

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    How can Saudi Arabia and Qatar fund the same group?

    that's unrealistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperial View Post
    ^^Will that's awkward.

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    Assaad, "The army will not cooperate with the United States, in its war against the planned organization of the Islamic State", besieged cooperation with them "to drop the regime of Bashar al-Assad."

    He stressed Assaad in statements made by the Anatolia Thursday that "those who want to overthrow the regime, Vliet guarantee of Army free, and the plan meets the goals of the revolution, and thus free him," adding that "the other is the alliances do not know anything about it, not even consulted by the Syrians, and therefore they will not be demanding the implementation of what they are asked. "

    He said Assaad that "the United States, are working to end the free army, because the army home, and the army of the revolution, and the army of all the Syrians, and the Army of National Unity, the military guarantor of victory, and has been classified on the red list, Vdamt factions under the name of the moderate opposition, and in spite of all this support, she could not cancel this historic merit. "

    On the other hand, explained that "the name of the free army remained in the minds and spirit of the people, she went back America for the mixing of securities by directing the media, to speak on behalf of the FSA moderate, and tarnish the image of this entity, which was and still is the safety valve of the revolution and stand all he could in the face of all conspiracies that beset Syria and the fate of the revolution, and the appearance of division and reveled band, trying to portray him as a client. "

    He stressed that "the FSA is the same has not changed not changed, and all the factions that have accepted to be factions of the opposition, the people know exactly, and America will not bring those only shame, nor want them to be free, but slaves, as it did in Egypt, Yemen, Iraq and Libya , they are against the emancipation of the people, and with Israel's interests first and foremost, "he said.

    According to Assaad that "since the first year of the revolution, we hear from America they would support the moderate opposition, we have not seen in reality, but in support of tearing rows, sow divisions between the factions, the decline at the expense of offering the system, and manufacturing clients serve their interests, as happened in Iraq, they are moving within their interests , and do not move when they annihilated the people. "

    He also accused al-Asaad, "America as a supported organization (my Ka Ka terrorist), even threatening the interests of neighboring countries, and arrived in the arms to them, and everyone knows this party, how it is an ally of the system, how are his help, we have not seen from this support, but to increase the conflict, recognition U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, there is no truth nor credibility, but to achieve the interests and exchange files only, in Ukraine and Yemen, and the victim is the Syrian people, and chemical weapons are Public, how we ended up with more negotiations with Iran. "As described.

    He asked Assaad "Do they want us to cooperate with the lawful ground and supply in Syria, gangs of Hezbollah, and Abu al Fadl al Abbas, and the Qods Force, and the Badr Organization, and other organizations that have entered Syria, did not hear of a even just a single conviction, and they did not intervene to save the The Syrian people, but will interfere to kill the spirit of pride and dignity among young people, who came out demanding their freedom and dignity, under the pretext of terrorism. "

    And went to the "Free Syrian Army, is these young people who came out to the highest and most beautiful phrases in the history of mankind, did not demand the killing, and did not ask for war, but they demanded freedom and dignity, and raised slogans of national, he refuses to impairment of its dignity or freedom, and will fight with all means to topple the regime the offender. "

    And unfortunately Assaad on "rating moderate opposition, where the revolution's children and youth aged jasmine, and the revolution was an example for all the revolutions of the world of slogans Semitic, and national unity, and the demands of the fair, and stop with the bulk of the Syrian people, women and men, and did not hear one day that the revolution is the opposition moderate and non-moderate, not revolution revolution indivisible not changed, but after I entered some hands to tamper with them, we began to hear these classifications. "

    On the decision of President Barack Obama, military strikes against al "Islamic state", pointed out that he "respects the decision, but is it respected the decision of the Syrian people when they demanded freedom and dignity, and the regime of committing the most horrific massacres, of chopping heads, and dragged and raped, and committing all kinds of terrorism against the people. "

    The face-Assaad other questions to the American administration, "Did you mention Hamza al-Khatib, and the girl child emigrated, or the massacre of al-Baida in Banias, or massacres, Hula, and Altrimssh, and Almsthomh, while were not" Islamic state "exists, and why it did not move the conscience of mankind, even when using chemical weapons , we have not seen a move against it. "

    He continued, saying, "Are you woke up the human conscience to have after the killing of American journalist, or after the threat of a strategic ally of America, who are Shiites and Kurds, and why they do not act to save the Iraqi people, when committed against him organized state terrorism, by gangs of former Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, in full view of America. "

    President Barack Obama delivered a speech this morning, included four elements within his plan to meet the organization "Daash"; First, "Implementation of a systematic campaign of air strikes, and the expansion of the campaign in order to go beyond humanitarian aid, and the campaign will target the fundamentalist Islamic state wherever they are, and this means that it will not hesitate to organize strikes inside Syria, not Iraq only, these will not find a safe place anywhere. "

    While the second item included increased support for ground forces, which is battling against "Daash"; where Obama said, "We will increase our support for the ground troops who are fighting these fighters, has sent advisers to assess the best ways to support the Iraqi forces, and these teams have completed their work and we will send 470 another expert to Iraq, and these will not lead the fighting on the ground, but there is a need for them to support the Kurdish forces and Iraqi forces in training and processing equipment, and today, I ask Congress again that allows us greater resources to equip the ground forces of our allies on the ground, and in Syria must support "armed opposition moderate ".


    http://www.alquds.co.uk/?p=219490
    Yea, that dude was removed from command of the FSA, he claimed by foreign powers. I doubt he has any decision making powers anymore.

    Trust me, the President wouldn't make a speech like that in front of national TV without already knowing the FSA will be on board.

    Let's see what the actual spokesman of FSA says: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29168612

    And about the photo of McCain http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/12/wo...s-to-isis.html
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    Does it identify who the lady in the picture is? I have to see what ties she has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opock View Post
    As ironic as it presently is given the circumstances, an alliance with the Sunnis is our only viable long term way out of the clusterf that Syria/Iraq has become. Convince them that they will be protected short term (against ISIS) and mid to long term (against Iran and its puppets in the region), then provide them the means to carry out that promise. Basically the US needs to create a credible Sunni proxy army in Syria to first remove ISIS and eventually remove Assad (air support required for both phases). In Iraq the Sunnis just need to be protected from ISIS and made strong enough to create some sort of Kurdistan like autonomy but still part of a unified state.
    What are the seemingly unforeseeable consequences of toppling Assad, though? Although he is a brutal dictator, he's also perhaps the one thing standing in the way of the more militant Sunni extremists fighting him that would love to slaughter every last Alawite Shiite, down to man, woman, and child, or at least all the men of fighting age, kind of like ISIS in Iraq killing all the young Yazidi men and carting off the Yazidi women to be concubines and sex slaves to convert to their brand of Sunni Islam. The power vacuum left by the absence of Assad has the potential to make an even unholier mess. If the US didn't bomb the Islamic State fighters outside Amerli, a bunch of Iraqi Shiites would have been slaughtered there too. These things should be considered greatly before proceeding. I think Obama is the cautious type and won't do anything too drastic, judging by his previous actions. However, I wouldn't put it past him to try something like this. If and when the day comes that Assad is toppled, there has to be plans in place on how to ensure the lives of the innocents in the Alawite Shiite minority of Syria. Something tells me there's nothing in place for that.

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    The problem is that Assad made it impossible for us to support him by using chemical weapons
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roma_Victrix View Post
    What are the seemingly unforeseeable consequences of toppling Assad, though? Although he is a brutal dictator, he's also perhaps the one thing standing in the way of the more militant Sunni extremists fighting him that would love to slaughter every last Alawite Shiite, down to man, woman, and child, or at least all the men of fighting age, kind of like ISIS in Iraq killing all the young Yazidi men and carting off the Yazidi women to be concubines and sex slaves to convert to their brand of Sunni Islam. The power vacuum left by the absence of Assad has the potential to make an even unholier mess. If the US didn't bomb the Islamic State fighters outside Amerli, a bunch of Iraqi Shiites would have been slaughtered there too. These things should be considered greatly before proceeding. I think Obama is the cautious type and won't do anything too drastic, judging by his previous actions. However, I wouldn't put it past him to try something like this. If and when the day comes that Assad is toppled, there has to be plans in place on how to ensure the lives of the innocents in the Alawite Shiite minority of Syria. Something tells me there's nothing in place for that.
    Assad facilitated foreign fighters for AQI into Iraq from his territory during the US war in there, despite repeated warnings he was creating the conditions that would eventually bring him down. During his own civil war he pursued a strategy of neglect and non intervention against ISIS as they gained power and territory, preferring to focus on destroying the FSA and eventually force the west to choose between him and ISIS.

    There are few people more directly responsible for ISIS than Assad. He's not a bastion of stability or minority rights. No solution that leaves him in power or victorious will succeed in Syria. It will just create more chaos and the inevitable "next" ISIS that rises up among the Sunnis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilkas09 View Post
    American political star John McCain visiting ISIS headquarters:

    ISIS Post PR Photos They Took With John McCain





    US arming ISIS terrorists
    Also the guy in the doorway with the camera is the kidnapper Mohamed Nour, whose group kidnapped many shiite pilgrims in the early days of the conflict.
    The smiling guy on the right is Mouaz Moustafa who leads the Syrian Emergency Task Force, which is funded by american tax payers money. He is a Syrian patriot, according to Mccain. During the war in Libya he was a Libyan patriot and was executive director of the Libyan Council of North America. He was born in a Palistinian refugee camp in Damascus, but lived most of his life in USA. He sometimes writes and is active for the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, which is a bit Pro-Israel one might say.
    He is one of the guys who decides who gets weapons from the USA. He also lobbies in Washington for deeper involvment of USA in Syria. He also suggested USA should arm Jabhat al-Nusra. Great?
    Last edited by Elemental; September 12, 2014 at 08:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elemental View Post
    Also the guy in the doorway with the camera is the kidnapper Mohamed Nour, whose group kidnapped many shiite pilgrims in the early days of the conflict.
    The smiling guy on the right is Mouaz Moustafa who leads the Syrian Emergency Task Force, which is funded by american tax payers money. He is a Syrian patriot, according to Mccain. During the war in Libya he was a Libyan patriot and was executive director of the Libyan Council of North America. He was born in a Palistinian refugee camp in Damascus, but lived most of his life in USA. He sometimes writes and is active for the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, which is a bit Pro-Israel one might say.
    He is one of the guys who decides who gets weapons from the USA. He also lobbies in Washington for deeper involvment of USA in Syria. He also suggested USA should arm Jabhat al-Nusra. Great?
    Source?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    The problem is that Assad made it impossible for us to support him by using chemical weapons
    Source that he used chemical weapons?
    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Awesome someone posting PressTV unironically. What next, Korean Central New Agency (DPRK news)
    Lol that doesn't change the fact that McCain visited ISIS headquarters. Goes to show that US is one of the main supporters of jihadist movements in the Middle East.
    Last edited by Heathen Hammer; September 12, 2014 at 08:45 AM.

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    So a Lebanese newspaper claimed he met with the kidnapper, but McCain denies it. Lebanese newspapers also claimed Hillary Clinton wrote down that the US supported ISIL in her autobiography, which was a blatant lie. Not proof at all.

    According to the Daily Caller he argued the opposite, he argues we need to arm the moderates to draw people away from Al-Nusra.
    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Source that he used chemical weapons?
    http://www.independent.ie/world-news...-30577884.html
    https://news.vice.com/article/chlori...apons-watchdog
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-23906913

    McCain never visited ISIS headquarters. Please stop making retarded statements.
    Last edited by Farnan; September 12, 2014 at 08:53 AM.
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    LOL isn't it similar to how similar organizations found "compelling evidence" that Saddam had WMDs?

    McCain never visited ISIS headquarters. Please stop making retarded statements.
    Yes he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    No he didn't: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/12/wo...s-to-isis.html

    Oh and Germany is sending trainers to Iraq joining the US and Canada:

    http://www.seattlepi.com/news/world/...aq-5749976.php
    Last edited by Farnan; September 12, 2014 at 08:59 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    I guess he got lost:



    Oh and Germany is sending trainers to Iraq joining the US and Canada:

    http://www.seattlepi.com/news/world/...aq-5749976.php
    What a waste. Western states should stay out of Middle East altogether. Especially US, it has harmed the region more then any other world powers combines.

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