Thread: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithridates II the Great View Post
    There is simply no morale in secular armies to fight against ideology . Even air support and heavy artillery can't stop their invasion forever .

    Compare the battle results between Hezbollah , Nuble - Zahra forces and Fatemiyoun brigade against terrorists with Syrian Army to get the point .

    The only way to counter their invasion is using ideology and guerrilla tactics which Syrian Army lacks .

    Syrian Alawites , Christians , Shias and to some extend seculars have nothing to lose and should be enlightened that their fate will be worse than those Yazidis in Sinjar if they don't fight to death instead of sunbathing in Latakia beaches or wasting their time in night clubs of Damascus .

    This war was for Syrian government when they were fighting terrorists in Sunni areas where the majority were against Assad but now Alawites , Christians and Shias are next targets and the war is for surviving not for that dick head , tall Assad with his Baath party .
    If Assad stepped down maybe a new government could form a credible and powerful enough secular opposition to these threats if nothing else merely out of hope for reconciliation and a return to peace and prosperity. Like you said they won't fight for him with the same determination, but the answer is not to call on other extremists to do the fighting as if more extremism is the only counter in the world to extremism. The governments of Syria and Iraq lack legitimacy that comes from the public's support and it shows in people's willingness to die in defense of their nation.

    There would be a civil war or at least widespread disillusionment without the involvement of terrorists, so this war is still about Assad. It is his fault Syrians don't have more faith in Syria (that is a Syria led by Assad).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarvu View Post
    If Assad stepped down maybe a new government could form a credible and powerful enough secular opposition to these threats if nothing else merely out of hope for reconciliation and a return to peace and prosperity.
    I believe that , Assad has never been the problem but his alliance with Iran and Hezbollah has been a problem for decades .

    The same protests started in pro US states in region such as Saudi Arabia , Bahrain , Jordan and Yemen in 2011 but none was led to violence and civil war back then because the US and their regional allies didn't want regime change which could be dangerous for their interests .

    Even Egypt's revolution which was going to be against US , Saudi Arabia interests + putting Israel's security to danger in long term was stopped by bringing a younger version of Mubarak to power where Saudi's oil money played a vital role .

    But Syria had a different fate , It was Iran's major ally in region , a safe supply line for Hezbollah and an important ally for Russians . These reasons were enough in order not to see what happened in Bahrain with completely similar situation for opposite side in Syria and instead we see Syria's neighbors ( Jordan ,Turkey and Israel ) back stabbing the country for the sake of US and in long term their interests otherwise the so called Free Syrian Army could have been eliminated in months .

    Fall of Syria has too many benefits for the west and their regional allies ,

    1. It weakens Iran and makes it vulnerable against Israel .

    2. Hezbollah loses a vital supply line and ally in neighboring country .

    3. Helps Turkey and Saudi Arabia to increase their influence in region to counter Iran .

    4. Helps Qatar to to export it's gas through Jordan and Syria to Turkey and then Europe which is a win-win situation for all of them .

    5. Secures Israel and eliminates a long standing , dangerous enemy on it's borders .

    6. Eliminates Russia's important base in Mediterranean coast .

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    Like you said they won't fight for him with the same determination, but the answer is not to call on other extremists to do the fighting as if more extremism is the only counter in the world to extremism
    I don't agree with this part my friend , Not everyone that fights with ideology is extremist . Have you ever seen Hezbollah , Fatemiyoun brigade ( Afghans ) , Iranians and Shia fighters to kill , behead or execute prisoners ?

    The answer is no and if you rarely find something . that's against the groups' policy and ideology .

    Here is an example in which IRGC soldier doesn't let Syrian Army forces to hit the pow :




    The governments of Syria and Iraq lack legitimacy that comes from the public's support and it shows in people's willingness to die in defense of their nation.

    That's true to some extend but there are other regional and international players that try for their hegemony .

    There would be a civil war or at least widespread disillusionment without the involvement of terrorists, so this war is still about Assad. It is his fault Syrians don't have more faith in Syria (that is a Syria led by Assad).
    I've answered this above , Assad is a figure and even if he steps down there will never be an end in this war . They want someone pro west in power like the rest of Arab states no matter if they are nationalists like previous regime in Iraq , Dictator like Mubarak or extremist like Saud family . what matters is neither humanity nor democracy but West's interests .
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    ISIS Leader Al Baghdadi Dies in Israeli Hospital


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    Basicly,Iran is fighting its own wars of intrests by using Assad and Hizbollah to fight for her...its getting dirty by using someone elses blood....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaccabiFanatic View Post
    Basicly,Iran is fighting its own wars of intrests by using Assad and Hizbollah to fight for her...its getting dirty by using someone elses blood....
    Same can be said for Turkey and the Gulfstates. Hell even Israel
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    Welll... i agree with you and disagree and ill tell you why.
    The gulf states openly support some rabel groups in syria,money logistics training and so on...
    What can be said about Turkey? whos fighting turkey's war for her?
    And for israel..well..i think what best describes the situation for israel is "the enemy of my enemy is...still my enemy,but ill do nothing to stop it from weakening my biggest enemy'..

    and for the link of al bagdadi being in israeli hospital...well...really...? i mean...? how naive do you have to be to believe to that..'cmon..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaccabiFanatic View Post
    Basicly,Iran is fighting its own wars of intrests by using Assad and Hizbollah to fight for her...its getting dirty by using someone elses blood....
    I'm sure Syrians , Palestinians and Lebanese were at war with Israel long before the revolution in 1979 .

    Hezbollah was not created to defend or serve Iran but Lebanon especially Shias against Zions , otherwise you were building settlement in Beirut these days .
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    Well you are right saying that hizbullah syria etc werent created to fight irans war. i agree with you. but i have never have said that.
    the purpose of hilzbullah was to indeed fight israel. but currently, hizbullah is more of iran's wing in the shia- sunni battles across the middle east. and especielly saving assads butt. which is a first priority in irans intrests.
    hizbullah, was created to defend lebanon...but defending lebanon soon became very different...more like fighting israel.
    i guarntee you, that if it wasnt for nasrallahs aggression in the past years israel would have never invaded lebanon. ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucilla View Post
    ISIS Leader Al Baghdadi Dies in Israeli Hospital


    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/04...aeli-hospital/
    That is a A+ quality source

    I really liked this article on the McDonals truth jihad as well
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/04/21/mctruthjihad/

    Baghdadi is killed like twice a month since the year started if you listen to the iraqis anyway, so you really want to double check what they say, and triple check anything the militias say because they like to act as IRanian mouth pieces

    Quote Originally Posted by MaccabiFanatic View Post
    Basicly,Iran is fighting its own wars of intrests by using Assad and Hizbollah to fight for her...its getting dirty by using someone elses blood....
    Syria is a proxy war for pretty much everyone, US, Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Hezbollah, etc. Although Turkey is probably being the dumbest about it because they've kept their borders so open (unless it helps the kurds, IS recruits are fine but god forbid medical supplies go to the besiged kurds defending their homeland, those guys are terrorists!)
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    WTF!! 60 Alawite civilians have been massacred by the ''rebels'' in Istabraq. Several pictures of it are published. Can't share sources here because it contains graphic images. Not posted by MSM ofcourse

    Pople of Liwa Iskenderun are on the streets of it.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty_Martyrs_Cathedral
    Rebels have blown up/destroyed the Armenian church of the 40 martyrs

    In support of the christians and Kurds near Tall Tamer the SAA pushed ISIS further back from Hasakah
    Also Sarrin is almost taken.

    Also ISIS popped up in the most 'moderate' area (ex-rebels....):
    https://twitter.com/Syria_Rebel_Obs/...89075463315457
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flavius Julius Nepos Augustus View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty_Martyrs_Cathedral
    Rebels have blown up/destroyed the Armenian church of the 40 martyrs

    In support of the christians and Kurds near Tall Tamer the SAA pushed ISIS further back from Hasakah
    Also Sarrin is almost taken.

    Also ISIS popped up in the most 'moderate' area (ex-rebels....):
    https://twitter.com/Syria_Rebel_Obs/...89075463315457
    It is truly depressing how much medieval architecture has been destroyed in this conflict. Even more depressing than that, though, is the humanitarian disaster of millions being affected by this fight.

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    http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/pol...s-to-defeat-is

    What the hell????????????? If that turns out true then i'll be shocked !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucilla View Post
    http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/pol...s-to-defeat-is

    What the hell????????????? If that turns out true then i'll be shocked !!
    If true , then I should congratulate the US .

    They've been already trying to divide the country to 3 states " for the sake of people of Iraq " as they claimed but in other words for the sake of their interests and Israel's security because nothing is better than a middle east with weak and small states .

    And now if the news is true , It will only mean countering Shia brigades in order not to defeat ISIS ( at least before Assad falls in Syria ) . We should wait and see what Iran's and it's allies reaction will be in Iraq as they're a part of this puzzle .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flavius Julius Nepos Augustus View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty_Martyrs_Cathedral
    Rebels have blown up/destroyed the Armenian church of the 40 martyrs

    In support of the christians and Kurds near Tall Tamer the SAA pushed ISIS further back from Hasakah
    Also Sarrin is almost taken.

    Also ISIS popped up in the most 'moderate' area (ex-rebels....):
    https://twitter.com/Syria_Rebel_Obs/...89075463315457
    These people have threatened to destroy Kaaba , You're talking about churches !?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucilla View Post
    http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/pol...s-to-defeat-is

    What the hell????????????? If that turns out true then i'll be shocked !!
    %74 Sunni muslim lived in Syria .There are despotic Baath regime. Alevis manage unjustly agianst sunnis. Syira have supported PKK for years .Turkey would make a choice. You think you would be Turkey. You would choice Assad or Syria people ? Borders were drawn with scale in middleast. Iraq dominat polulaiton is alevi. There are sunni desptic regime. Syiran dominant population are sunni. But there are alevi despitic regime...what a
    ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by CagatayKhan View Post
    %74 Sunni muslim lived in Syria .There are despotic baas regime. Alevis manage unjustly agianst sunnis. Syira have supported PKK for years .Turkey would make a choice. You think you would be Turkey. You would choice Assad or Syria people ? Borders were drawn with scale in middleast. Iraq dominat polulaiton is alevi. There are sunni desptic regime. Syiran dominant population are sunni. But there are alevi despitic regime...what a
    ..
    I don't understand a word what you're saying. Please rephrase it.
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    Astonishing news! The syrian forces claim to have smashed a commanding al Nusra units in which there were Qatari and Turkish officers!!!!
    THIS A THE DEFINITIVE PROBE OF THE SUPPORT TO AL NUSRA OF TURKEY AND QATAR?????
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    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/04...liance-video/#

    Syria Smashes Al Nusra Leadership, Israel Admits Saudi Alliance (video)

    Posted by Gordon Duff, Senior Editor on April 27, 2015
    Proof of Turkish and Qatari backing of Al Qaeda

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx4zgY3EwBE


    … by Gordon Duff with Nahed al Husseini – VT Damascus


    Today, two Qatari and 6 Turkish officers were killed in a commando style raid by an elite Syrian Army special forces unit. These officers were commanding al Nusra units that entered Syria in the past 8 hours from Turkey. In addition to the Qatari and Turkish officers, two dozen senior al Nusra military and political officers were killed, the core of their command structure.
    Stories in the press over the past 24 hours have cited American and Israeli complicity in training and equipping this invading force. With the intelligence collected after today’s raid, however, there is are broader issues to consider. First of all, al Nusra is a listed terror organization, an Al Qaeda “franchise” on every prohibited list, American and European, in existence.
    Any aid or affiliation by any individual, government or organization, aiding this group, inside Syria or elsewhere is, according to legal opinions and operational guidelines established by the United States and NATO, to be considered guilty of material assistance to terrorism and subject to direct military attack no matter where on earth such an entity or organization might be.
    Now we have inexorable proof that the government of Turkey, a NATO power and the government of Qatar, a treaty partner of the United States, are operating inside Syria on behalf of a clearly admitted terrorist organization assumed to be a “clear and present danger” to all nations, not just Syria but the United States as well.

    Background

    Over the past 24 hours, significant military forces have entered Syria from Turkey. Here is the hard intelligence we have received from sources inside Syria:
    Two columns entered Syria, one commanded by officers of the Qatar national army in uniform, the second by officers of the Turkish Army. Columns had new vehicles with heavy weapons including:

    • American TOW wire guided missiles/latest configuration
    • Kornet missiles, part of a 2008 purchase not publicly admitted but verifiable

    Last night, Syrian time, a Syrian special forces unit, working in concert with intelligence and reconnaissance commands with advanced sigint (signals intelligence) combined with thermal and SAR (synthetic aperture radar) imagery located the Turkish-Qatari-al Nusra combined operations center. An attack was launched. The following communique from the Syrian Army High Command comments on that action and the exploitation thereafter (translation):
    A Great Victory
    Our military has surprised the world. The myth that our army did not even Maldih time reveals a quarter of strength and valor has been written of. The legend of our Army plays a skillful tune.
    Today at nine o’clock evening for the first time since the start of the dirty on the ground war the unity of our very own very, very correctly termed Shock and Quiet Liquidation Forces (literal translation) and then exploitation and monitor intelligence professional has scored a significant success.
    The implementation of a complex process led by Colonel (Rommel) Antique, who led the attack personally along with 22 men killed or captured 31 leaders of the Al-Nusra Front.
    This included two Qatari officers and six Turkish officers. Military secrecy requires that we not indicate if they were simply killed or captured.
    Martyred during the attack was one officer. The operational commander and all but two of the special unit (martyred) returned safely including Colonel “Rommel.”
    May Allah grant us victory.

    Recaptured from Al Nusra in the last 24 hours:

    • al shougour bridge
    • four villages in edlib
      مفاجآت جيشنا التي ستذهل العالم.
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      قلنا ونقول…..
      أن جيشنا الأسطورة لم يكشف حتى الساعة ربع مالديه من أوراق القوة والبأس. وأنه يلعب على حافة العالم بمهارة العظام.
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      استشهد أثناء العملية ضابط فذ وقائد مشهودا له.وجرح عنصران وقد عاد رومل وكامل أبطال العملية سالمين مع شهيدهم والجريحان الأشاوس.
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    The video above, in English, Arabic and Hebrew, provides more than ample proof of Israel’s close alliance with Saudi Arabia and other Arab states. The initial speaker is Professor Asher Susser of Tel Aviv University who describes the context and motivations, including Israel’s need to keep Lebanon as pro-Israel Arab State.
    Background on Professor Susser:
    Esra Magazine – How we envy Asher Susser’s students
    Professor Susser was born in South Africa and immigrated to Israel as a youngster fifty years ago. He has been teaching modern Middle Eastern History at Tel Aviv University (TAU) since 1980. A Fulbright Fellow and visiting professor at a number of American Universities, he has written extensively on Israeli/Palestinian issues and was selected Tel Aviv University’s Humanities Outstanding Lecturer. He is currently Senior Fellow of the Moshe Dayan Center, TAU, of which he was director for twelve years.
    “Israel is now a strange partner with the Sunni Arabs against the Shiites and Iran…”
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    Astonishing news! The syrian forces claim to have smashed a commanding al Nusra units in which there were Qatari and Turkish officers!!!!
    THIS A THE DEFINITIVE PROBE OF THE SUPPORT TO AL NUSRA OF TURKEY AND QATAR?????
    The notice and its link:

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/04...liance-video/#

    Hello,

    As you may or may not know, veterans today is a sensationalist tabloid with no value as a news source. Do you have any other sources for this?
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    Veterans today isn't the best source but it's damn well know Qatar and Turkey fund Salafist groups in Syria. Also supplying Weapons and providing logistic support.

    Would not be surprised if Ankara and the gulfstates planned this mess in Idleb.

    Pleasantly surprised by the turks coming on the streets protesting the massacre in Istrabaq commited by hardline groups.
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