ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

[mrmouth]

If Turkey doesn't want a rat line into their country. We've seen this kind of thing play out numerous times over the years. Sharing a border with militants is never a good idea for the stability of your country.

Erdogan's comments are pathetic. The lecturing to the US on how airstrikes are not enough while his tanks watch from the hills just a few miles away is, incredibly sad and yet another fine example of a Muslim country not doing its share, even when indirectly threatened by militants of their own religion. And that indirect level of threat changes to direct, before you know it.

It's just a terrible policy from a guy who wants to punish Kurds (and kill Kurdish protesters) while he doesn't have the stones to commit his people to help take and hold a border town. I mean its not like there is an election to protect. Get off your ass and do what you promised.

[Principe Alessandro]

Remember that Erdogan is an Islamist, while he isn't a mad nationalist like his domestic opponents probably his issues with the Kurds are related with the fact that PKK and YPG are marxist organizations, he is using ISIS to destroy the political relevance of YPG in Syria. He doesn't hate Kurds as a nation, he needs them against the Turkish nationalists that are his main opponents.

On the other hand Turkish nationalists cannot even tolerate the existence of a Kurdish nation so probably if they would have been in power they would have closen the borders and let the ISIS scum slaughter the trapped Kurdish civilians.

For how I see things the current political climate in Turkey is totally ed up, we have a mad Islamist ruling the country and his main opponents are fascist ultra-nationalists.

[Stavroforos]

Invading? They could have allowed help into the place, they could have allowed the Syrian air force to attack ISIS, they could have fired at ISIS from within Turkish territory.

Now the eastern cities are on fire again... Yuck.

So, Turkey should be the only nation committed to sending ground troops to combat ISIS, which will also mean that it will be the only country to suffer ISIS attacks thanks to the common and porous border.

I mean, I have no idea why any of that would sound appealing to Turkey. Turkey should intervene, when its own security is jeopardized, and by that point they should have amassed enough military and logistics so as to make that possible. If the Americans or Brits or whatever other western crusaders want to defend a Kurdish town, let them send their own troops.

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I'm going to grab a few of ranun's popcorns and laugh at the majestic failure of the US foreign policy.
Nobel Peace prize my ass. Obama is unable to get rid of his country's subordinate status to Israel, unable to choose trustworthy allies or factions whatsoever and unable to side with the only relevant powers that could wipe out the Caliphate for good.
Next time something hits New York, you know whose fault it is.

"Hands Basil II some Kettlecorn Seasoning and opens up a popcorn stand"

Popcorn for sale, 2cents a 12oz bag, cheddar, butter, kettlecorn, ect seasoning available as we watch this as yet unnamed operation fail miserably.

People act as if the YPG are finished. The YPG still control much of North-Eastern Syria.

Its Hasakah holdings are getting ripped up as we speak, Afrin lost its mini-canton centered on Dudiyan a few weeks ago. YPG is also trying to hold KDP's hand in Iraq. ISA had bigger fish to fry than YPG for several months, and now that they removed a few critical strategic blocks, and secured some economic resources, they are putting YPG in its place before dealing with Deir Ezzor which as I stated before will be a for ISA to take



It speaks for itself.

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[UselessPoster]

What happened to turkey ?.

Erodegen or whatever his name is makes me sick. He is not who turkey needs what happened to such a great nation???.

[Costin_Razvan]

Does anyone believe Turkey saving Kobane would help the overall war situation with ISIS?

I mean ANYONE? Sure Assad said he would like to, but I bet he's more then happy to let ISIS and the Kurds butcher each other.

[Tureuki]

There are reports about street clashes between PKK supporters and Kurdish Hizbullah in some eastern cities.

There is curfew in 6 cities, military is entered to streets in some cities.

There are rumors about killing of several Hüdapar(political wing of Hizbullah) members, one is allegedly killed by smashing his head with rocks, nothing is confirmed yet though.

[Condottiere 40K]

Depends on what Erdogan perceives on what serves his strategic interests.

I'm betting that the Kurds getting massacred defending Kobane, while neither permitting them to be supplied with heavy weapons to defend themselves, nor intervening directly, is likely to become a timebomb.

[DarthShizNit]

Turkeys options were either intervene and have the chance of earning good will with the Kurds +5 non-accepted conscious, or not intervening for the bonus of -1 Kurdish pop, +12 militancy in non-accepted cultures.

Clearly they're going for that assimilation.

[white-wolf]

Turkeys options were either intervene and have the chance of earning good will with the Kurds +5 non-accepted conscious, or not intervening for the bonus of -1 Kurdish pop, +12 militancy in non-accepted cultures.

Clearly they're going for that assimilation.

Umm, I think you did not hear that PKK and YPG does consider Turkish intervention as an occupation.

[DarthShizNit]

Umm, I think you did not hear that PKK and YPG does consider Turkish intervention as an occupation.

Well if you would kindly provide a source saying as such, then I'm sure I can hear about it.

Preferably English, but French will do to.

[white-wolf]

Well if you would kindly provide a source saying as such, then I'm sure I can hear about it.

Preferably English, but French will do to.

Yawn, it becomes boring.

Kurdish-Syrian party leader Salih Muslim: "we would consider" Turkey crossing the border to defend Kobani "an occupation" #newsnight

[Principe Alessandro]

Yeah, and he is right, Turkey is hostile to the autonomous Kurdish cantons in Syria. Erdogan doesn't even respond to Barzani's call to allow peshmerga to get to Kobane through Turkey, face it the Turkish politicians and probably even the majority of Turkish people WISHED the fall of Kobane from the beginning.

The majority of the Turkish political class are hostile to any kind of Kurdish autonomy in Syria, the nationalists because the Kurdish national identity is a threat to the unity of the Turkish state, for the Islamists because they have an inclusive plan for the Kurds in a broader Islamic identity.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ed-Kobane.html

Livefeed. Fighting is low key.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the...st-ff56f55ca59

Dutch bankrupting themselves against a foe that is not a threat to them.

Well ISA is basically mopping YPG up and burning their smokes, booze, porn, and drugs.

[white-wolf]

Yeah, and he is right, Turkey is hostile to the autonomous Kurdish cantons in Syria. Erdogan doesn't even respond to Barzani's call to allow peshmerga to get to Kobane through Turkey, face it the Turkish politicians and probably even the majority of Turkish people WISHED the fall of Kobane from the beginning.

The majority of the Turkish political class are hostile to any kind of Kurdish autonomy in Syria, the nationalists because the Kurdish national identity is a threat to the unity of the Turkish state, for the Islamists because they have an inclusive plan for the Kurds in a broader Islamic identity.

Correction: Turkey is allergic with any Kurdish entity at Syria with organic connections of PKK which is responsible of narcotic traffic, smuggling, child kidnapping, child soldiers, suice bombings, bombings of civilian infrastructure, murders of civilians and massacres. Alas, Turkey is the best buddies with Iraqi Kurdish region. It just show the situation is not ethnic.

[DarthLazy]

Yeah, and he is right, Turkey is hostile to the autonomous Kurdish cantons in Syria. Erdogan doesn't even respond to Barzani's call to allow peshmerga to get to Kobane through Turkey, face it the Turkish politicians and probably even the majority of Turkish people WISHED the fall of Kobane from the beginning.

The majority of the Turkish political class are hostile to any kind of Kurdish autonomy in Syria, the nationalists because the Kurdish national identity is a threat to the unity of the Turkish state, for the Islamists because they have an inclusive plan for the Kurds in a broader Islamic identity.

So which is it? Intervene or not ? Pick one please.

[Principe Alessandro]

So which is it? Intervene or not ? Pick one please.

What about for the starter to allow Barzani's peshmerga to reach Kobane?

http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/08102014

The KRG's Ministry of Peshmerga Affairs said last month it was prepared to send forces and weaponry to Kobane but cannot reach the city, which is bordered by IS strongholds.

The Turkish Milliyet newspaper reported on Tuesday that the Kurdish president had asked Turkey to allow Peshmerga forces to reach Kobane and help defend the city against the Islamist militants.

Correction: Turkey is allergic with any Kurdish entity at Syria with organic connections of PKK which is responsible of narcotic traffic, smuggling, child kidnapping, child soldiers, suice bombings, bombings of civilian infrastructure, murders of civilians and massacres. Alas, Turkey is the best buddies with Iraqi Kurdish region. It just show the situation is not ethnic.

And here again with the equation that every Syrian Kurd is somewhat a PKK affiliate while the PKK safe heavens are actually located in KRG. And you allow them to be elected in your parliament? I wonder how much Turkey can keep going all this BS about the PKK just because cannot stomach an autonomous Kurdish region in friendly terms with Assad's regime.

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https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/stat...02423767212032

YPG keeps saying this and it turns out not to be true at all.

Livefeeds show ISA well ensconced in the city.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/08/wo...arebar_twitter

US Military has given up Kobane.

And they should, YPG fell apart faster than ISF which fought for 3 years in Mosul before breaking apart or the Syrian Army Outposts surrounded by ISA.

Not even the vaunted YPJ was able to stop them, ISA ripped them apart as well and took survivors as slaves though they since announced beheading a few for apostasy or some other serious crime in their eyes.

ISA has ripped apart the better equipped ISF, SAA, Peshmerga, and FSA/Nusrah. What made people think the drug addled Communist clowns in PKK/YPG could have defeated ISA on their own once it made the decision to finish PKK/YPG off? Seriously,what?

[Principe Alessandro]

US Military has given up Kobane.

Really and what is this?

https://twitter.com/HaraldDoornbos/s...59404058157057

#Kobane The gloves seem to be off. RT @cahitstorm Another huge airstrike !!!

[DarthLazy]

What about for the starter to allow Barzani's peshmerga to reach Kobane?

http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/08102014

Why? Kurds are rioting within Turkey, and you ask them to allow Pesh to walk across their territory ?