ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

[Vanoi]

Shia miltiias pulling out? Guess they can't stand up to the IS. Iraq proving once again that not its army or its Shia militias can stand up in a real fight with the IS without support.

[Mary The Quene]

Is there any source about that?



https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/581101609582764032

Heavy casualties for the terrorists and despite all Twitter talk they did not took what JAN claimed to have. Special forces also arrived.

[Vanoi]

http://news.yahoo.com/iraqi-shiite-m...142814819.html

Iraqi police and special forces are clearing up the town now with US support. Where was Iran's mythical military genius to help the Shia miltia's win at Tirkit?

[Mary The Quene]

http://news.yahoo.com/iraqi-shiite-m...142814819.html

Iraqi police and special forces are clearing up the town now with US support. Where was Iran's mythical military genius to help the Shia miltia's win at Tirkit?

So they're advancing? That's pretty cool. In any case You can't deny Soleimani has played a huge part in this offensive.

[Vanoi]

So they're advancing? That's pretty cool. In any case You can't deny Soleimani has played a huge part in this offensive.

No, not really. Without US support, they wouldn't be advancing. Thats the point. Soleimani couldn't finish the job.

[Mary The Quene]

No, not really. Without US support, they wouldn't be advancing. Thats the point. Soleimani couldn't finish the job.

Without Soleimani Tikrit would have not been surrounded and all supply lines cut off. In any case it doesn't matter, Tikrit is going to be taken anyway.

[Vanoi]

Without Soleimani Tikrit would have not been surrounded and all supply lines cut off. In any case it doesn't matter, Tikrit is going to be taken anyway.

I think with US support the Iraqi Army could have managed to do just fine. Just like how they are advancing now.

[Flavius Julius Nepos Augustus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DLlpsfy34I
TOW Missiles used by Al-Nusra. Tax dollars well spend!

[snuggans]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DLlpsfy34I
TOW Missiles used by Al-Nusra. Tax dollars well spend!

i do not cheer for Al-nusra, i do not lament Syrian(SAA)/Iranian/Hezbollah losses

[Mary The Quene]

I think with US support the Iraqi Army could have managed to do just fine. Just like how they are advancing now.

Let's see what's going to happen after Tikrit.

[Mithridates II the Great]

I think with US support the Iraqi Army could have managed to do just fine. Just like how they are advancing now.

The US Army destroyed Fallujah in 2004 to take the city .

You expect Shias to take Tikrit in a couple of days ?!!!

[LaMuerte]

'March 18: Regime military police and elite Syrian Arab Army (SAA) 4th Armored Division soldiers reportedly clashed in central Hama city for unknown reasons. In response, military police reinforcements were dispatched to conduct arrests of 4th Armored Division soldiers amidst a heightened security presence in central Hama. ' (source)

Anybody know anything more about this?

@Treize : V.B. describe themselves as a right wing nationalistic party on their own website . Why are you in denial? But we're getting off topic here.

[snuggans]

The US Army destroyed Fallujah in 2004 to take the city .

actually the US initially occupied parts of Fallujah without firing a shot, an act which would later then be exploited by jihadists hiding among protest crowds (which seemed to mobilize only after curfew), they likely took shots at US garrisons and provoked more violence and more recruits to their cause. they would also operate out of mosques and store their weapons there, which means that when the US does any damage to any of these mosques, the non-terrorist population gets angrier and even more recruits end up joining these networks. really despicable human beings they are, using civilians as bait and shield and their own religion and mosques as more bait and shield. the cowardly way they fight is that they can't be attacked without the attacker doing some collateral damage to either civilians or civilian buildings, which then helps their propaganda cause.

[Mary The Quene]

'March 18: Regime military police and elite Syrian Arab Army (SAA) 4th Armored Division soldiers reportedly clashed in central Hama city for unknown reasons. In response, military police reinforcements were dispatched to conduct arrests of 4th Armored Division soldiers amidst a heightened security presence in central Hama. ' (source)

Anybody know anything more about this?

@Treize : V.B. describe themselves as a right wing nationalistic party on their own website . Why are you in denial? But we're getting off topic here.

It's a biased and completely unreliable source. That source said Jaysh al-islam took the village of Doreen back while videos and lots of pictures showed the SAA and NDF inside it with al-mayadeen reporters. That same source also said Handarat was seized by JAN which had been refuted many times. Also no sources said anything about JAN taking positions close to Falitah and Asal al-Ward. Also no there's not a single piece of proof for these claims, i'd say that's alot of lol

[Costin_Razvan]

the cowardly way they fight is that they can't be attacked without the attacker doing some collateral damage to either civilians or civilian buildings, which then helps their propaganda cause.

This is essentially how every guerrila war is fought. Fighting a war is not about who is cowardly but who is more capable. Generally an army limited by it's rules of engagement and political considerations will always perform poorly against one that isn't.

I am not defending their actions, since I view the jihadists as nothing more the animals.

[Mithridates II the Great]

actually the US initially occupied parts of Fallujah without firing a shot, an act which would later then be exploited by jihadists hiding among protest crowds (which seemed to mobilize only after curfew), they likely took shots at US garrisons and provoked more violence and more recruits to their cause. they would also operate out of mosques and store their weapons there, which means that when the US does any damage to any of these mosques, the non-terrorist population gets angrier and even more recruits end up joining these networks. really despicable human beings they are, using civilians as bait and shield and their own religion and mosques as more bait and shield. the cowardly way they fight is that they can't be attacked without the attacker doing some collateral damage to either civilians or civilian buildings, which then helps their propaganda cause.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Fallujah

[Vanoi]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Fallujah

Did you even read it? Majority of buildings in Fallujah were undamaged. Operation took about a month to complete with minimum causalities on Coalition forces and civilians.

Meanwhile in Tikrit its almost been a month since the start of the operation. Iraqis have taken hundreds of casualties. No telling how many dead civilians there are.

[Visna]

Did you even read it? Majority of buildings in Fallujah were undamaged. Operation took about a month to complete with minimum causalities on Coalition forces and civilians.

Fallujah suffered extensive damage to residences, mosques, city services, and businesses. The city, once referred to as the "City of Mosques", had over 200 pre-battle mosques of which 60 or so were destroyed in the fighting. Many of these mosques had been used as arms caches and weapon strongpoints by Islamist forces[citation needed]. Of the roughly 50,000 buildings in Fallujah, between 7,000 and 10,000 were estimated to have been destroyed in the offensive and from half to two-thirds of the remaining buildings had notable damage.

Not exactly a majority.

Meanwhile in Tikrit its almost been a month since the start of the operation. Iraqis have taken hundreds of casualties. No telling how many dead civilians there are.

It's not only Iraqis. As evidenced before in this conflict, the Iraqi security forces are completely incapable of soloing such a task. It's an assortment of regular Iraqi forces and security personnel and various militias (both Iran backed Shia and Iraqi Sunni tribals), Iranian revolutionary guards and special forces etc.

[Vanoi]

Not exactly a majority.

Your right. I meant to mean destroyed, but yea but most the buildings in Fallujah remained standing. Mith's claim thew US flatten the city to the ground is still off.

[Mithridates II the Great]

Idlib is about to fall and this will change may things in Syria .

I just don't get how Syrian Army didn't get prepared for this day .

ISIS could save Tikrit with mines and IEDs yet no God damn strategy in Idlib .

Syria is suffering from incompetent generals more than anything else .