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    Well, I can say for sure I wouldn't want to live in a country in which Putin wasn't far right, because that'd make the likes of GW Bush essentially a leftist. Would you?
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    Aye forgot about the far right sympathisers after all yes he does tick some boxes regardless of why he is heading there. The militaristic, independent and gay hating munchkin that Putin is.

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    putin far right?are you sure?if he is,then why he go after nationalist in russia..my english is bad,i cannot tell what i want...ok usa dont annex any country,they just roll over army and after they captured everything,in that country will be now pro american govermant...so basically it is annexation and maybe worst than regular annexation cos no one can say they steal someone land

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astaroth View Post
    Not sure where you are from, but in any country I have ever lived in (i.e. a functioning democracy) Putin would be further to the right than basically any other party. Let me help you: annexing neighbouring regions, historical revanchism, supressing minorities and people who do not share his visions for "Great Russia", having journalists killed (look it up, I'm not gonna do a HH "Source?" war with you), nationalistic agenda and rhetoric etc. etc. What else would he be, a social democrat? Lol.
    If not being a liberal extremist makes you "far-right". Is the USA "far-right" too for invading atleast one country every decade? How does Russia supress minorities? Many Russians complain he lets them off the hook. As far as I know the autonomous republics for minorities have not been turned into oblasts yet... Heard Grozny is pretty booming ATM and Tatarstan is one of the richests parts of Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astaroth View Post
    Well, I can say for sure I wouldn't want to live in a country in which Putin wasn't far right, because that'd make the likes of GW Bush essentially a leftist. Would you?
    I'm not sure what this post has to do with anything. I'd rather live in New York, but I'm not sure where that fits into anything.
    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    Aye forgot about the far right sympathisers after all yes he does tick some boxes regardless of why he is heading there. The militaristic, independent and gay hating munchkin that Putin is.
    In general it seems to be that the far right or far left supporting Russia and Putin seems to always clash with their own ideology, but it seems as though this doesn't matter to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    I'm not sure what this post has to do with anything. I'd rather live in New York, but I'm not sure where that fits into anything.

    In general it seems to be that the far right or far left supporting Russia and Putin seems to always clash with their own ideology, but it seems as though this doesn't matter to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astaroth View Post
    Not sure where you are from, but in any country I have ever lived in (i.e. a functioning democracy) Putin would be further to the right than basically any other party. Let me help you: annexing neighbouring regions, historical revanchism, supressing minorities and people who do not share his visions for "Great Russia", having journalists killed (look it up, I'm not gonna do a HH "Source?" war with you), nationalistic agenda and rhetoric etc. etc. What else would he be, a social democrat? Lol.
    Looks like you have no idea about political situation in Russia.
    Minorities in Russia are not "suppressed". It is actually other way around, Putin is mostly disliked by Russians because he kept the old Soviet "tradition" of affirmative action policies for ethnic minorities, which enjoy a lot of privileges compared to the majority, from things like quotas for work and educational institutions to federal dotations to various "republics" in Caucasus, which constitute more then 90% of their budget.
    Economically he is also in the "left", given how Gazprom is a state corporations. Even Russian oligarchs are mostly members of Soviet Party "nomenklatura".
    Putin is strongly opposed to Russian nationalism, and his "revanchism" is nothing but Soviet nostalgia. In fact, its nationalists who are the biggest opposition to Putin.

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    Yeah Putin shows so much love for the gays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Looks like you have no idea about political situation in Russia.
    Minorities in Russia are not "suppressed". It is actually other way around, Putin is mostly disliked by Russians because he kept the old Soviet "tradition" of affirmative action policies for ethnic minorities, which enjoy a lot of privileges compared to the majority, from things like quotas for work and educational institutions to federal dotations to various "republics" in Caucasus, which constitute more then 90% of their budget.
    Economically he is also in the "left", given how Gazprom is a state corporations. Even Russian oligarchs are mostly members of Soviet Party "nomenklatura".
    Putin is strongly opposed to Russian nationalism, and his "revanchism" is nothing but Soviet nostalgia. In fact, its nationalists who are the biggest opposition to Putin.
    Lol strong denial of reality. Do you listen to yourself?

    Take a wild guess why the Caucasus regions are essentially bribed by Putin. Hint: years 1999-2000 and ongoing to a much lesser degree.

    No Russian nationalism? Really? Have you been awake at least once during the years 2008-2014? "Protecting" Russian minorities in neighbouring countries? Annexing "historically Russian" territories (not: "historically Soviet")? Ring a bell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astaroth View Post
    Lol strong denial of reality. Do you listen to yourself?

    Take a wild guess why the Caucasus regions are essentially bribed by Putin. Hint: years 1999-2000 and ongoing to a much lesser degree.
    So? It doesn't change the fact that ethnic minorities receive plenty of privileges, both political, social and financial.
    No Russian nationalism? Really? Have you been awake at least once during the years 2008-2014? "Protecting" Russian minorities in neighbouring countries? Annexing "historically Russian" territories (not: "historically Soviet")? Ring a bell?
    Flooding the state with immigrants without any sensible regulation, along with handing out privileges to ethnic minorities at the expense of ethnic Russians is hardly nationalism. But then again, you will just keep ignoring any facts that contradict your imaginary world where Putin is some sort of Second Hitler.
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    Yeah Putin shows so much love for the gays.
    What does love for the gays have to do with government's role in economy or ethnic policies?

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    Think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    Think about it.
    Liking or disliking gays doesn't make you right or left. I find it rather funny how "free press" ignores the fact that there are thousands of political prisoners in Russia, yet only "homophobia" over statistically insignificant minority catches its attention.

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    I didn't say it made you right or left.

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    Guys, honestly, who cares about the gays? He's not being German about it and putting them in death camps, but it's clearly an issue that's drummed out make Russophobia appealing to the latest generation of Westerners.

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    Aye thats it, clearly, its all about Russiaphobia. Clearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raubritter View Post
    Next thing about the EU Maoists. I had a list once with People who are or were part of socialist parties and organisations, but i can't find it yet. I bet you can't even name 10 people in the EU Parlament but still wanna evaluate if the EU is heavyly influenced by Maoists or not. That i "lost you there" is not one bit of my concern, but should be yours. Most prominent example should be José Manuel Barroso.
    All the talk about Germany recreating the Nazi Empire or the EU being the Soviet Union 2.0 were just distractions from the real truth. It was Maoism all along!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raubritter View Post
    Also to name is Catherine Ashton, who was a member of the campaign for nuclear disarmament of great britain what basicly would have given the red army a major strategic advance. The campaign was financed by the communist party who itself was financed by the soviet union. Now this Person has to meet and negociate with the former KGB Officer Putin about the ukraine.
    strategical advantages in full blown nuclear war... i rather think higher survival chances are obtained by not posing as target with nuclear weapons or creating coverage with nuclear shelters.
    Adenauer also wanted to station nuclear weapons in west germany, despite the probable scenario of a nuclear war having turned germany (the battlefield it was) into a nuclear wasteland and the german people being completely annihilated in the process.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raubritter View Post
    communists started vietnam and it will be writen in History that communists started the Ukrainian crisis.
    yay, a nonsensical comparison without relation to the conflict, you are probably the only one who sees communists in ukraine's civil war between ukrainians and russians.
    I guess that's the logical conclusion when viewing the world through libertarian googles.. all collectivists are communists, may they be social democrats, nationalists, religious or anarchists..

    Quote Originally Posted by Raubritter View Post
    Putins lie is that the Russians have some kind of holy mission to free the world from european facism, gays kissing in public and bubblegum. All they don't have they makes them angry, thats why they will attack their former satelite states who now enjoy the fruits of capitalism just as the Philistines attacked the Jews out of envy.
    And I am sure the PIIGS envy Russia for not being in the EU

    Quote Originally Posted by Raubritter View Post
    Here is a soviet Propaganda Map fom 1929 about the encirclement of Russia. This was included in a book published for the german reader. So much for the encirclement of Russia.
    and how is 1929 comparable with 2014? This is just as stupid as your Ukrainian crisis = Vietnam war thesis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    Aye thats it, clearly, its all about Russiaphobia. Clearly.
    Yup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    Yup.
    Indeed. Our government even caused a diplomatic row over it leading to an import ban on certain foodstuffs by Russia.

    That was at a time when trade between our countries was booming, just like investments.

    I honestly don't understand why our government was the first to go and pick fights with Russia a few years back. One would almost suspect US influence but they are probably just stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    I didn't say it made you right or left.
    But that was my point. Putin is a garden-variety conservative, who is pushing-through old Soviet "multiculturalism" policies, similar to ones enforced by cultural marxists in EU. Whether he likes or dislikes an insignificant minority of gays is irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treize View Post
    Indeed. Our government even caused a diplomatic row over it leading to an import ban on certain foodstuffs by Russia.

    That was at a time when trade between our countries was booming, just like investments.

    I honestly don't understand why our government was the first to go and pick fights with Russia a few years back. One would almost suspect US influence but they are probably just stupid.
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