SJWs and the Topics of Sexualization and Misogyny.

[G-Megas-Doux]

I think the one that turns it all on the head is Empowered.

Guy created it because his friends wanted him to draw women tied up. Heroin has a super powered symbiotic suit but it is only as powerful as her self esteem and self confidence. So if she is feeling low self esteem about things like body issues it gets torn to shreds, if she feels super confident in herself then it is god mode powerful. Haven't read it for years, my friend brought it into work and when it was quiet between calls I read the first two volumes.

Still a good satire of what guys want and twisted by issues of self abasement and self aggrandisement as well as the character's daily life issues.

However it would be helpful if more women actually contributed to fantasy writing in the comic and video game genera. The market would explode if women bought comics on mass and games. I guarantee however if there was a graphic novel of 50 shades of grey, first women would buy it, second there would be less complaints generated then you get from DC having only one female writer on staff for New 52. (provided it was restricted purchase like manga).

[Manco]

Empowered is an interesting comic actually. It uses blatantly sexualised imagery, the early comics and comissions are rather exploitative yet the eventual story being told ( at least in the first volumes ) is pretty, well, empowering.

[Kanaric]

SJWs won't be happy until feminists are considered the ultimate heroes and every game is like Buffy the Vampire slayer or Tomb Raider with unrealistically athletic women in every conceivable role even those they are statistically in very low numbers. They will all be fat as well since they are obsessed with fat acceptance and "body positive" right now. After all, you are fat shaming for having physically fit characters.

What's annoying is that most liberals have bought into like that. I believe in social democracy, I believe in equality. I don't believe in nonsense stupidity like being fat is good or that we can't have sexualized characters in ing video games and movies. What's annoying is these game developers are all mostly liberals buying into this because it makes them feel euphoric like reddit atheists. Having a medieval fantasy game where women are portrayed somewhat realistically? Can't have that. I have to show how liberal I am by having strong female leads and equal representation of female characters.

It seems on steam though that cute-girl harem games seem to be the in thing with indie titles right now, ironically. I assume pedos buy them to wank it or something.

I wonder if they will make a Tomb Raider game where Lara Croft wears resonable clothes (ie. no mini skirt, normal human sized boobs, etc) and then the feminazis will whine about them slut shaming her, lol. Really anything is possible right now. The entire internet, and game industry, is in complete and total euphoric fedora tip mode lately.

Look at this :
http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/hig...0000b0?cn=tbla
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erin-m...b_5686713.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rachel...b_5709129.html

It's fatass apocalypse. Soon they will call you a bigot when your girlfriend thinks she can be as fat as she wants and you are socially required to be attracted to her.

[Condottiere 40K]

Since your avatars and characters will likely be customizable in future, this can't be a valid issue after that point.

[Mangalore]

SJWs won't be happy until feminists are considered the ultimate heroes and every game is like Buffy the Vampire slayer or Tomb Raider with unrealistically athletic women in every conceivable role even those they are statistically in very low numbers. They will all be fat as well since they are obsessed with fat acceptance and "body positive" right now. After all, you are fat shaming for having physically fit characters.

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How is that different from the male roles? I don't care how athletic a man is in most games and movies people do crap that would kill any human or land them in hopital. IRL it doesn't take much for some broken bones and serious bruises.

Don't get your Tomb Raider rant. The reboot by Square Enix actually did change the formula and the ones before also toned down the most blatant oversexualization (first case in game industry where a female character got a boob reduction). She is is essentially as vulnerable as Jason Drake or the original Indiana Jones was: bruised, battered but only as impaired as the plot needed him to be.

I think there is a heated discussion about it but there are also some examples plopping up with interesting female characters

[G-Megas-Doux]

Over the top male hero survival. Die Hard John Mcclaine death count. How many lives would it take John McClaine to survive each die hard film? Look it up, it's great fun.

The question that everyone actually wants SJW's to ask first before jumping on something is who is the target audience?

Niche markets exist for a reason. Also if you want to change someone's opinions yes you need to have a balanced representation of people. However if you want to represent society as a whole what you should be doing is not making every group a microcosm of total demographics but recognising that some groups are not inclusive and showing the mirror up against that, pretending that social exclusion is not there or that people don't group with who they feel comfortable with or what they actually like is denial.

[saxdude]

SJWs won't be happy until feminists are considered the ultimate heroes and every game is like Buffy the Vampire slayer or Tomb Raider with unrealistically athletic women in every conceivable role even those they are statistically in very low numbers. They will all be fat as well since they are obsessed with fat acceptance and "body positive" right now. After all, you are fat shaming for having physically fit characters.

What's annoying is that most liberals have bought into like that. I believe in social democracy, I believe in equality. I don't believe in nonsense stupidity like being fat is good or that we can't have sexualized characters in ing video games and movies. What's annoying is these game developers are all mostly liberals buying into this because it makes them feel euphoric like reddit atheists. Having a medieval fantasy game where women are portrayed somewhat realistically? Can't have that. I have to show how liberal I am by having strong female leads and equal representation of female characters.

It seems on steam though that cute-girl harem games seem to be the in thing with indie titles right now, ironically. I assume pedos buy them to wank it or something.

I wonder if they will make a Tomb Raider game where Lara Croft wears resonable clothes (ie. no mini skirt, normal human sized boobs, etc) and then the feminazis will whine about them slut shaming her, lol. Really anything is possible right now. The entire internet, and game industry, is in complete and total euphoric fedora tip mode lately.

Look at this :
http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/hig...0000b0?cn=tbla
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erin-m...b_5686713.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rachel...b_5709129.html

It's fatass apocalypse. Soon they will call you a bigot when your girlfriend thinks she can be as fat as she wants and you are socially required to be attracted to her.

Your post couldn't be more stereotypical even if you started ranting about Betas.

[Soviet]

Your post couldn't be more stereotypical even if you started ranting about Betas.

At least he's right. Realizing people have differences in their strengths/weaknesses is not offensive. Overweight? Don't try to justify it by claiming the world is out to get you for your looks and that you are worthless, that's just laziness. Educate yourself on your body, hit the gym, eat healthy, work on your own self-image. It is a societal problem (for lack of a better word), but crying about it on your tumblr won't magically change the world, it will just make you a more angry person. These women AND men are the same ones who can't practice what they preach by telling everyone to love themselves and ignore harsh criticism

As for the topic of the thread, I don't think many rational people take the "movement" seriously. Everyone is for equality, as long as there is a balance. This new wave of feminism that's been leaking into media is all about self-pitying, jealousy, and anger (I'm sure these women never consider how "equal" men and women are when it comes to the law, but that's a thread in itself), focused on taking away the rights of others because of hurt feelings or a misguided sense of prejudice. It would make the progenitors of feminism ideology cry with shame.

I could write a thesis about this feminism that's related to Anita & Zoe Quinn is so adamantly wrong and under-researched by news outlets, but I don't want to get depressed. In the long run however, this stuff will keep evolving and, hopefully, keep being ignored by the rest of the population

[Condottiere 40K]

Feminism in the past tended to be aggressive, and the new wave seems to have settled between that (which alienates even a lot of women) and passive-aggressiveness (which tends to be more insidious).

As I understand it, there's a niche of hard core gamers whose identity is bound into the community and computer games, to an Islamic extreme, so they interpret feminist criticism as an attack on their identity and sense of self.

To an extent, they are correct, as it would appear the end goal is to remove the aspects of gaming that offends feminists to the fringes, if they can't eliminate them altogether.

Death threats and extreme harassment is going too far.

More productive would be ensuring that the games they like are widely promoted, so that corporations will continue to create similar ones, and funding is starved to the ones that the feminists are promoting.

[Knight of Heaven]

SJWs won't be happy until feminists are considered the ultimate heroes and every game is like Buffy the Vampire slayer or Tomb Raider with unrealistically athletic women

Yeah like male heroes in most games.... ffs.

What's annoying is that most liberals have bought into like that. I believe in social democracy, I believe in equality. I don't believe in nonsense stupidity like being fat is good or that we can't have sexualized characters in ing video games and movies

You are contradicting yourself. You accept sexualized characters as you should, but you dont accept fat people?
Equality isnt about saying being fat is good, its about acceptance, that this people exist, and being descriminated or shamed is wrong.
For a social democratic suporter you are not very pluralistic. And for someone who wants realism, as a dificulty accepting diferent people in their games... you know as it is in real world. A more pluralistic gaming market its the one that more reflects its target audiences this days. And more and more its like this, the tendency, is the audience being more diverse, then simply Teenage boys as it was in the old days.

Having a medieval fantasy game where women are portrayed somewhat realistically? Can't have that. I have to show how liberal I am by having strong female leads and equal representation of female characters.

Its fantasy realism as nothing to do with that. They could have a reverse gender role for all i care it would still be valid. They could portray a female dominant society, or matriarchal society that would still be valid. And Matriarchal societies did existed and still exist in some cultures, you cant take your version of realism, or your own version of things are suposed to be and called it the only valid one.

It's fatass apocalypse. Soon they will call you a bigot when your girlfriend thinks she can be as fat as she wants and you are socially required to be attracted to her.

Quite a superficial and shalow person you are if you realy belive that. There is alot of people out there that like large or chubby ladies btw. It always has been. The industry is there to satisfy the needs of the market, and you are not the sole market any longer. Some will called this the rules of the "free market", its how it goes. An individual dont dictate conformity. As equality and social democracy suporter i belive you understand and are more then ok with the concept.
If you dont like it blame it on capitalism.

At least he's right. Realizing people have differences in their strengths/weaknesses is not offensive.

What a bunch of BS your post is. You can realize all you want thats not even the issue. This people exist regardless in our world.
Not everyone can be like scarlett johansson or Brad Pitt, and it has been like this since time imemorial, it isnt this that will change those things. People Unfortunaly for you people come in all shapes and forms.

Your post couldn't be more stereotypical even if you started ranting about Betas.

That is puting it mildly.

Death threats and extreme harassment is going too far.

More productive would be ensuring that the games they like are widely promoted, so that corporations will continue to create similar ones, and funding is starved to the ones that the feminists are promoting.

No doubt.

[maxi90]

Ah, twcenter. I haven´t been to the forums in months. Wonder if I should check it ou-

SJWs and the Topics of Sexualization and Misogyny.

NOPE.


See you all on christmas!

[Soviet]

Death threats and extreme harassment is going too far.

Harassment is one thing, sure, but I've never seen a death threat followed up when posted on the internet. Doesn't mean don't take it seriously, but c'mon, it's the internet. I'd even put on my tinfoil hat and say that many of them (at least directed at Zoe/Anita) are complete false flags

Regardless, both sides have done such things. I know there is an example of a 12-year old boy getting harassed and threatened over twitter for going against feminist ideology (I'll try to find it) and countless stories of people getting doxxed.

What a bunch of BS your post is. You can realize all you want thats not even the issue. This people exist regardless in our world.
Not everyone can be like scarlett johansson or Brad Pitt, and it has been like this since time imemorial, it isnt this that will change those things. People

What does this even mean? I do realize large people exist in society son. I'm saying the pointing of fingers, self-pity, and laziness doesn't help ANYBODY. Nowhere in my post did I even attempt to show how people can achieve the "standard" of beauty that the MM has created. I was more focused on the unhealthy lifestyles tumblrfeminists justify through self-pity and laziness.

Unfortunaly for you people come in all shapes and forms.

Yes, and treating all of us the same in regards to health/self-image is ludicrous. Maybe I don't find your fat girlfriend attractive not because she's fat, but because there's no self-control in her eating habits or she's too lazy to hit the gym? Anyways, like I said here:

Realizing people have differences in their strengths/weaknesses is not offensive.

You aren't less human for being fat/gay/stupid, but a lack of self-control, awareness, and thought is unattractive. Just "existing regardless" of like your beautiful soul has said isn't enough. It takes much more in reality

[saxdude]

At least he's right.

Nonsense.

Realizing people have differences in their strengths/weaknesses is not offensive. Overweight? Don't try to justify it by claiming the world is out to get you for your looks and that you are worthless, that's just laziness. Educate yourself on your body, hit the gym, eat healthy, work on your own self-image. It is a societal problem (for lack of a better word), but crying about it on your tumblr won't magically change the world, it will just make you a more angry person. These women AND men are the same ones who can't practice what they preach by telling everyone to love themselves and ignore harsh criticism

Which is all "well and good" if it was, in practice, what both of you meant with your posts. In reality, most complaints revolve around a supposed liberal agenda, and a rather hypocritical notion of what you percieve should be complained about instead, almost entirely based on taking a contrary stance, as opposed to a logical one.
As for the post you are trying to make here, bull****; First and foremost, if Kanaric had actually bothered to read the thread, he would have seen that while the main point of the arguments layed here revolve around the sexualization of women and the unrealistic standards to which they are held because of it, and poor writing to which they tend to be subjected, at no point was the subject of weight and fat "empowering" or "shaming" brought up in the discussion. Proyecting oneself, is what I would call it.
Also this:

Having a medieval fantasy game where women are portrayed somewhat realistically? Can't have that. I have to show how liberal I am by having strong female leads and equal representation of female characters.

Makes no freakin sense.

As for the topic of the thread, I don't think many rational people take the "movement" seriously. Everyone is for equality, as long as there is a balance. This new wave of feminism that's been leaking into media is all about self-pitying, jealousy, and anger (I'm sure these women never consider how "equal" men and women are when it comes to the law, but that's a thread in itself), focused on taking away the rights of others because of hurt feelings or a misguided sense of prejudice. It would make the progenitors of feminism ideology cry with shame.

What gets me is that it isn't even a movement, its just a collection of random people, with varying degrees of influence, complaining about percieved social injustices. It's people on the internet expressing an opinion loudly, and yet somehow this deserves the absolute, and equally loud contempt of the opposite, and very "respectful" internet/gaming community, to such degree that you would almost think, where they not to contest, would be the end of all civilization, as opposed to a random annoyance that in the end, doesn't really make too much of a difference.

I could write a thesis about this feminism that's related to Anita & Zoe Quinn is so adamantly wrong and under-researched by news outlets, but I don't want to get depressed. In the long run however, this stuff will keep evolving and, hopefully, keep being ignored by the rest of the population

No it won't, because this whole SJW *thing* is in response to X industry and X internet fanboy ****ery, and vice versa, particularly thanks to internet fanboy ****ery.

Harassment is one thing, sure, but I've never seen a death threat followed up when posted on the internet. Doesn't mean don't take it seriously, but c'mon, it's the internet. I'd even put on my tinfoil hat and say that many of them (at least directed at Zoe/Anita) are complete false flags

Here is the thing, maybe 99.9% are just angry prepubescent trolls that found an insult that gets to the victim in a way that no other insult (in their mind) can, but whats to assume that one of those couple, or dozens, or hundreds of death threat e-mails aren't part of the .1% psycopaths that will actually go about to find said person and kill him/her? Don't bother me with stupid statistics, it's a death threat, and being scared is a perfectly reasonable response to an absolutly ludicrous attack.

Regardless, both sides have done such things. I know there is an example of a 12-year old boy getting harassed and threatened over twitter for going against feminist ideology (I'll try to find it) and countless stories of people getting doxxed.

Here is another thing that irks me, I dont defend SJW's (Apparently the internet decided thats a thing now), and it's more than obvious that there are people from the "otherside" that are doing the very awful things that SJW's accuse people of doing, BUT, and here is the big juicy butt, this apparent need to put both on equal scope really boggles my mind.
Somehow everyone of these threads ends up with some poster claiming how they are now the ones being discriminated, or how the tables have now turned for the worse, or how the white straight males are now object of persecution, as if somehow it was the same ****ing thing, in any, but the most general and decontextualized way, and that* is really friggin tedious.

Because, Soviet, I think we can all agree that threatening people for having a different opinion, hacking, and being the general troll is kind of a dick move.

[Condottiere 40K]

Die fornicator of mums is one thing.

Detailing it, and then posting your home address is something that needs to be taken seriously.

[Mayer]

Nice OP , i thoroughly enjoyed the video of Maddox crushing the rant against the Spiderwoman cover with sound logic

Entitled teens that about PC are next to ISIS on the terrible person scale.

yeah, i am sure that the ordinary videogamer or comic reader who dares to criticize the SJWs who constantly besmear his favourites is going to butcher hundreds of thousands of real people in his free time... You Sir, have lost all sense of reality :respect:

Look, it is fairly simple. What is the foundation of Political Correctness? The belief in moral superiority and the desire to denounce and censor everything which conflicts with these morals. In essence a assault on freedom of speech and freedom of thought, therefore it is evident to me that this agenda resembles totalitarianism much more than its critics.
I am not arguing for the ban and combustion of feminist literature even though it is misandrist often more hate-filled than Mein Kampf, i am arguing for free speech.

You can't ignore the fact that females (and homosexuals, and ethnic minorities) are largely poorly represented in most media, portrayed in physically unmatchable proportions, with eyecandy clothing and stereotypical behavior. Becuase most of the time the character is played out to the lowest common denominator.

and therefore you want to enforce a 'proper representation' via quotas and penalize the display of 'stereotypical behaviour', so that every minority and many more we haven't invented yet are portrayed in the media and in a political correct 'non-offensive' way although there is no demand for it.

Now you could argue that most of the fans want new and interesting characters, female, male or otherwise, and that producers are at fault for trying to appeal to some stereotypical fan base, incapable of looking beyond their bigoted eye sight, and you'd be right.

stupid bigoted consumers always wanting something which pleases their eyes and stimulates their basic instincts, they should enjoy stories of ugly women talking about their daily problems and if they don't, have a visit at the ministry of love

Thus you get companies like Marvel, desperatly trying to appease both groups, and then making things like female Thor or Latino Spiderman, mostly dumb and innocous, yet manage to become world wide scandals.

On a second thought it is quite silly, lazy and cheap to take well established characters and re-run them with an almost unchanged story by merely switching race/gender. We also don't have ww2 comics/games with a negro Stalin, an arab Roosevelt and Hitler a woman.

Also, I think that this cover is sexualized and only the extra defensive would argue against that. First of all, Spider-Woman doesn't climb up walls, she can fly.

but that isn't a very spidey thing to do... after all, i haven't seen any flying spider in my life
and the fact that spiderman had exactly the same pose on a amazing spiderman cover is a very strong point against this hysterical media-storm

You are contradicting yourself. You accept sexualized characters as you should, but you dont accept fat people?
Equality isnt about saying being fat is good, its about acceptance, that this people exist, and being descriminated or shamed is wrong.

Actually it is, by accepting obesity (a wholly civilizational disease) and its sexualization (fat fetishism, a very rare philia imprinted through experiences in childhood, might have been more common in pre-agrarian societies where almost everyone was at the edge of starvation), it becomes connected with a positive image. Besides, why do you think that fat people want to see mirror images of themselves? The vast majority gained their bodyweight in times of depression or ill-breeding by parents, and are deeply ashamed of it.

The industry is there to satisfy the needs of the market, and you are not the sole market any longer. Some will called this the rules of the "free market"

Political Correctness is the opposite of letting market forces decide what people want and what they get, i think that should be obvious.

In reality, most complaints revolve around a supposed liberal agenda

What do you call rabbling against supposed sexism on comic covers instead? I call it agenda-driven agitation against non-issues, because that's what it is.

Makes no freakin sense.

Makes totally sense, medieval europe had disenfranchised women in a similar ways as many middle eastern countries have today.
But noone would dare to make such a controversial medieval game with a realistic setting, because feminists would go ape about it.

No it won't, because this whole SJW *thing* is in response to X industry and X internet faneboy ****ery, and vice versa, particularly thanks to internet fanboy ****ery.

So, we aren't allowed to complain against attacks on our favourite game/comic series by mindless SJWs who have never watched/read them but then suddenly see ev0l sexism/racism/discrimination everywhere? What is even so wrong to display these? Such attitudes have always existed and censoring them is retarded. Like G-Megas-Doux said, it is denial.

[Soviet]

Which is all "well and good" if it was, in practice, what both of you meant with your posts. In reality, most complaints revolve around a supposed liberal agenda, and a rather hypocritical notion of what you percieve should be complained about instead, almost entirely based on taking a contrary stance, as opposed to a logical one.

Being against pandering to any small but extremely loud minority is not illogical IMO. I can't speak for every person who has picked up a video game or watched a movie, but if there is a (usually stereotyped) character in some medium who is added in just for the sake of representing all groups is completely asinine. I could care less about some sort of status quo in media, as long as an atypical character makes sense in context

Take the newest Dragon Age coming out for example. Bioware had goddamn press releases to announce the sexuality of characters. Where's the background, motivation, and reason to care about these characters? Where's the game behind all of this "inclusion"? Who gives a where they stick it in other people/why is it relevant to the game? You hear more about the relationships you can have as opposed to why the game is good

As for the post you are trying to make here, bull****; First and foremost, if Kanaric had actually bothered to read the thread, he would have seen that while the main point of the arguments layed here revolve around the sexualization of women and the unrealistic standards to which they are held because of it, and poor writing to which they tend to be subjected, at no point was the subject of weight and fat "empowering" or "shaming" brought up in the discussion. Proyecting oneself, is what I would call it.

And? I don't see how you don't realize it's all very connected. How can you hear this song and not see how it could be considered SJW-tier:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk


Love yourself even if you have an unhealthy, lazy lifestyle, and ridicule skinny girls just because. NOBODY, SJW or not, is perfect. It's dangerous

Also this:
Makes no freakin sense.

If you aren't looking, you won't see. I could turn my tv on right now and point out everything slipped in

What gets me is that it isn't even a movement, its just a collection of random people, with varying degrees of influence, complaining about percieved social injustices. It's people on the internet expressing an opinion loudly, and yet somehow this deserves the absolute, and equally loud contempt of the opposite, and very "respectful" internet/gaming community, to such degree that you would almost think, where they not to contest, would be the end of all civilization, as opposed to a random annoyance that in the end, doesn't really make too much of a difference.

Give me a break. Every ideology has varying degrees of commitment and how/what should be done, but there is definitely a pretty concrete consensus for what SJWs are after, in all facets of media: equality for both genders (sometimes even 3rd or 4th genders), more pandering, and breaking of the status quo. I won't spend time searching for the hours of videos I could show you that would let you know how wrong you are. Also, if you think this is only an internet thing, you have no idea.

No it won't, because this whole SJW *thing* is in response to X industry and X internet fanboy ****ery, and vice versa, particularly thanks to internet fanboy ****ery.

It's not as infantile as you claim. Feminism/Social justice does not have origins in the 21st century. You do know white and black people were not allowed to touch each other on tv just a few decades ago, yes? Or who Martin Luther King Jr. is? Gloria Steinem?

99.9% are just angry prepubescent trolls that found an insult that gets to the victim in a way that no other insult (in their mind) can, but whats to assume that one of those couple, or dozens, or hundreds of death threat e-mails aren't part of the .1% psycopaths

Don't bother me with stupid statistics,

Uhhh

Here is another thing that irks me, I dont defend SJW's (Apparently the internet decided thats a thing now), and it's more than obvious that there are people from the "otherside" that are doing the very awful things that SJW's accuse people of doing, BUT, and here is the big juicy butt, this apparent need to put both on equal scope really boggles my mind.

So one side should be more lenient on another in regards to death threats? There should be leniency when an indie game developer has been discovered not only sleeping with game journalists for free press, but false-flagging threats online against herself when there is a backlash? It's not always equal in scope, as the SJWs have been infecting positions of authority/power/influence and silencing opposition. Pointing out horrible things on both sides is not mind-boggling, but just stating the facts

Because, Soviet, I think we can all agree that threatening people for having a different opinion, hacking, and being the general troll is kind of a dick move.

But according to you if an SJW hacked me, it wouldn't matter because we aren't "equal scope" and my pointing it out would be "tedious". I'm just a persecuted straight white guy in need of the opposition being more equal than I am. The hole your head is stuck in is so deep, you could see China

Edit- damn video doesn't work

[Himster]

The tragic thing is: there are genuine issues surrounding women's rights and roles in society, but these are overshadowed by anti-rational rants and conspiracy theories about patriarchy, internalized misogyny, rape culture and all sorts of insane-mind-numbingly stupid garbage. There is a strain of modern feminism, the dominant strain for sure, that has established itself as an opponent to egalitarianism and free-speech while (hypocritically) spouting these things as virtues in Orwellian style double-think: undermining the very ideals that feminism once stood for (and supposedly still do), besmirching the name of feminism so irrevocably that the term feminist has almost become an insult.

[athanaric]

Almost as much as entitled people bringing out offtopic bull**** to distract the fact that they have zero arguments to defend their case, and so need to bring up a point that nobody was ****ing debating. Remember different race sexual relations, genetic diversity and the "extinction" of the white race? Oh yeah, I can be snarky too.


You can't ignore the fact that females (and homosexuals, and ethnic minorities) are largely poorly represented in most media, portrayed in physically unmatchable proportions, with eyecandy clothing and stereotypical behavior. Becuase most of the time the character is played out to the lowest common denominator.
Now you could argue that most of the fans want new and interesting characters, female, male or otherwise, and that producers are at fault for trying to appeal to some stereotypical fan base, incapable of looking beyond their bigoted eye sight, and you'd be right.
But then you get outrage from the previously mentioned self entitled yelling out at PC correctness, and *****ing about Racism/sexism against the white male, as if they were in any comparable level, the same; that people are trying to change that view, that are lobbying for more equally portrayed characters and dignified gender representations; Thus you get companies like Marvel, desperatly trying to appease both groups, and then making things like female Thor or Latino Spiderman, mostly dumb and innocous, yet manage to become world wide scandals.

Yes, you could infact argue that political correctness ultimatly hurts the people that it wants to protect, by insincerely forcing them into media and the public concious, and perpetuating it's own racist stereotypes in doing so. And yes, you could argue that things like Female Thor, are a lazy and insincere attempt at making a female character to appease SJW's, and you would be absolutly right.
But then again, most of the people that whine about political correctness aren't upset about the real issues that come from PCness, they are upset that they can't say whatever dumb they want anymore without people getting upset about it, and that they have to share their personal hobbies (which happen to be worldwide multimillion dollar companies) with other people now, and they somehow equal that to persecution.

That's all fine and well, but you'll have to admit that this is about art (and indeed only a small portion of it), whereas in the real world there are more pressing subjects that'd need attention.

So yeah, SJW's are annoying, but they are a response to an even more annoying group.

"SJWs" have a bad effect on culture and society as a whole due to the taboos and other dogmas they try to enforce.

So if you don't want more SJW's, then Lobby for more Korra's and less Powergirl's/Starfire's

Well I would if I knew who any of these characters were...

Love yourself even if you have an unhealthy, lazy lifestyle, and ridicule skinny girls just because. NOBODY, SJW or not, is perfect. It's dangerous

I think with works like this song, the context is very important.

The tragic thing is: there are genuine issues surrounding women's rights and roles in society, but these are overshadowed by anti-rational rants and conspiracy theories about patriarchy, internalized misogyny, rape culture and all sorts of insane-mind-numbingly stupid garbage. There is a strain of modern feminism, the dominant strain for sure, that has established itself as an opponent to egalitarianism and free-speech while (hypocritically) spouting these things as virtues in Orwellian style double-think: undermining the very ideals that feminism once stood for (and supposedly still do), besmirching the name of feminism so irrevocably that the term feminist has almost become an insult.

Well put.

[the_mango55]

but that isn't a very spidey thing to do... after all, i haven't seen any flying spider in my life
and the fact that spiderman had exactly the same pose on a amazing spiderman cover is a very strong point against this hysterical media-storm

Don't blame me that Jessica Drew is terribly named. She can fly, shoots energy blasts from her hands, and can manipulate people with pheromones. Three things spiders are notably not known to do.

Spider-Man is in a SIMILAR pose in that cover, although two of the biggest givaways that it's meant to be a sexy cover are her facial expression and the fact that her costume doesn't look like fabric but rather some sort of colored powder/chalk or a not quite adequate coating of body paint.

I mean face it, they hired an erotic artist to draw a sexy hero in a sexy pose for a variant cover. I don't think that's really in question. As I said though, I don't think that is a big deal personally.

[Mangalore]

Can anyone explain to me the basis of social justice being bad? Because that SJW term seems to be used in a deragotary sense as if it were an insult which makes no flipping sense. You can complain about someone's opinion being wrong but to try

Look, it is fairly simple. What is the foundation of Political Correctness? The belief in moral superiority and the desire to denounce and censor everything which conflicts with these morals. In essence a assault on freedom of speech and freedom of thought, therefore it is evident to me that this agenda resembles totalitarianism much more than its critics.

Oh dear, PC is about plainly not being an . It's really not hard if you follow a positive mindset.