Ltd.´s preview thread

[Ltd.]

I will post my units here as I finish them

[warman222]

I would add screenshots of the currently completed units.... all of them when you can.

[Ltd.]

So these are all the units that I have made

Mongols:

Mongol Bodyguard:


Mongol Heavy Horse Archers:


Mongol Lancers:


Mongol Light Horse Archers:

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Empire of Nicaea:

Varangian Guard:


Spatharioi Emperor´s Guard (spear and sword) :


Heavy Cavalry / Pronoiaroi (lance and mace) :


Kavallarioi (lance and sword) :


Scutatoi:


Kontaratoi:


Turcoman Horse Archers:

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Reserved for Empire of Nicaea:

Murtatoi / Elite archers:


Peltastoi:

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Rus:

Rus Bodyguard:


Druzina:


Dismounted Druzina:


Black Hats:


Rus Militia Spear:


Rus Hunters:

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Cumans:

Cuman Nobles:


Cuman Light Horse Archers:


Cuman Horse Skirmishers:



Hungary:

Szekler:

[zylyithe]

Woah so very beautiful well done gents keep up the great work!

[stupar123]

Your whole team deserves +rep! :=)
Really great looking units!

[Ltd.]

Just a small update on the hungarian knights I have been working on. Note however that they lack lances, more armour variations and barded horses which they will all get eventually.



All shields date back to the 13. century and are COA of noble families, taken from the hungarian national archive.
Feedback is requried and welcome.

[Lord Giovanni]

Great-looking knights, Ltd.! Are they going to be using lances?

[Ltd.]

... Note however that they lack lances, more armour variations and barded horses which they will all get eventually.
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Also, once I get there, I will need your help regarding the roster for the islamic factions; whether I can go the broken crescent route or something more simple.
Your factions previews are also really great to read, very informative!

[The Roman Republic]

Impressive work!

[Ltd.]

Thanks man

[Lord Giovanni]

Haha! Serves me right for just jumping right to the pictures and shooting off my mouth without reading the context. Duly noted for next time!

I think that Warman wants around 6-8 unique units per faction if possible, although the Islamic factions will need a different pool of "common" units between them. Your work on the Cumans will help when it comes time to build up the Ayybud roster; Mamluks were actually Cuman slaves purchased by the sultan.

And I'm very glad that you enjoy my previews! Thank you!

[warman222]

Well can the current common units I put together be used for Ltd.'s faction rosters? I know that some of the peasant units can be applied as such but I'm unsure about the middle tier ones like the Infantry, Cavalry, etc. What I might do is have Eastern/Central European variants of the aformentioned with slightly different equipment. I can do that on my end easily so you wouldn't have to do it atop of your other work.

I'm thinking about making a new thread with roster lists so we can stay on track and so that people know what to expect.

[Lord Giovanni]

Considering that rosters are the only things that will be released at first, I think that's a good idea.

Sure, peasants could be used for all the factions, they'll just need different skins between the different major cultures. As for the middle-tier units, we'll need to come up with some new ones for the Muslims. I think that Arab units should be the common ones between the Muslim factions, with the exception of the Turks, who could use Turkish tribesmen or Greeks as lower-class infantry. The unique units of the factions could be drawn from the ethnic group(s) most prevalent in a faction besides the Arabs, like Tuaregs and Andalucíans for the Almohads, Bedouins and Cumans for the Ayyubids, and Turks for the Sultanate of Rum.

Ghazis, religious volunteer warriors, were prevalent in most Islamic armies at this time, especially with the Turks and Almohads. We could replicate Medieval 2's depiction of them by making them light infantry with a melee weapon and shield.

These are just preliminary ideas for these rosters. What do you think?

[Ltd.]

Regarding Hungary, it´s a little bit of a special case, because they had little to no infantry in the 13. century, or at least no heavies and such. For gameplay purposes we´ll need 1 or 2 obviously, but only peasant and militia spearmen for garrison units. But no peasant archers and such. They fielded however lots of cavalry, so mailed knights, though statwise their knights may not be up to the level of HRE or western knights.
Numbers may be the same or even a bit higher (to reflect that Hungary had lots of horses...) but they should be weaker in attack and charge than their WE counterparts.
I can handle the knights, we´ll see if there is need for a squire unit, maybe as a light lancer unit.
Then they´ll have a noble horse unit, medium horse, that is less armoured than the knights and more importantly not in western style, but in leather armour. They will use bows and a spear or lance and round shields. Their horses may have some armour.
Then there will be the székely HA, the archer specialists for hungary, with spears and some can have leather armour. Light HA unit.
Then there should be pechenegs as HA, till around the mongol invasion, at the latest. Light HA.
Just before the mongol invasion in 1242 in Hungary, there should be cumans as HA as well, instead of the pechenegs, so from around 1239. ALso light HA.
Then there may be a heavier cuman horse unit. These cuman units will be similar to the actual cuman roster ones, but I might alter them slightly to not have clones on the battlefield.
All cuman and pecheneg units will have a campaign cap, to avoid the player and the AI to accidentally field cuman-only armies for hungary....
If we want to implement AOR it will make things a lot more interesting for the player. Like having székelys mainly in what is now Zarmisegetusa region , cumans further west and south. etc.
I wanted to include some vlach units as well, I´ll see what I can come up with for them. We will need them for the bulgarian roster anyway.
We can have some dismounted units as well, of course, I just thought there is no real need for them, because the HA nations will be the same as WE nations, e.g in sieges. By not having many foot soldiers or dismounted units the player will have to make wise decisions as to when and how to attack, hire mercenaries etc. The AI will not count into this equation anyway as all they do is autoresolve. The Player can actually dismount his cavalry units anyway so it should be good and the AI army composition can be tweaked to have infantry as well, mercenaries preferably.

Regarding the roster for the muslim factions we shoulld have ghulams (lancers and HAs) , respectively mamluks as general warrior class (except for the almohads) as well as Lord Giovanni´s ideas

[Fozzie]

These are incredible. I really like the Mongols.

[Ltd.]

After a long period of not being able to do anything for this project, I can show you now a few units I have been working on the last 3 days.
So, here are a few more hungarian units:

The hungarian knigths, the horses have been updated with armour:


Hungarian light lancers:


Hungarian Spear militia (upgraded)


Hungarian Spearmen (mid / late XIII. century)


You may have seen the Nicaean Cataphract unit in warman´s video, but here it is again with more horse armour:


Also, warman, please update the credit´s list with Lord Szentgyörgyi, as he was kind and let us use his work as well.