This mod's CAI is cheating like a retard

**TheBigOne** · July 29, 2014, 02:51 PM

In my play as Russia I sold Azerbaijan to Mughal empire. In the next turn a magic happened and just so an army with 15 units appeared out of thin air in the vicinity. WTF? I could see this, because we were allied and my troops were kicked out of the city after I sold it. I played H/N difficulty. If this is a normal behavior, then this mod is seriously retarded.

**Stívarðr Reynitré** · July 29, 2014, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by TheBigOne

then this mod is seriously retarded.

A) Don't use that word, please.

B) See how far that opinion gets you here...

**TheBigOne** · July 29, 2014, 02:58 PM

Ok. I wrote that out of frustration. I like the mod quite enough, but if there is cheating implemented, I will delete it. I just wish to know

**Stívarðr Reynitré** · July 29, 2014, 03:00 PM

No, it's not especially like that. It's generally regarded as a very high quality, deep and immersive mod with particularly solid AI and a proficient use of code.

I can assure you, this is not an indication of the general build of the mod.

I'm not sure what happened, however.

You'll just have to trust me on that.

**gastovski** · July 29, 2014, 04:49 PM

The mod isn't retarded the game is. I caught so many cheats already so i'm not playing anymore.

**alhoon** · July 31, 2014, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by TheBigOne

In my play as Russia I sold Azerbaijan to Mughal empire. In the next turn a magic happened and just so an army with 15 units appeared out of thin air in the vicinity. WTF? I could see this, because we were allied and my troops were kicked out of the city after I sold it. I played H/N difficulty. If this is a normal behavior, then this mod is seriously retarded.

I don't know whether that's a bug or they created an army and moved it there, or perhaps it's a revolt.

Thing is, the CAI doesn't cheat-create armies, it's not in the script. The only benefits CAI gets is like 30% more money than you.

Originally Posted by gastovski

I caught so many cheats already so i'm not playing anymore.

The game doesn't create armies out of thin air (Except revolts). I don't know what kind of cheating you refer to. As I said, the only benefits of the CAI is a bit more money and for the BAI in Hard or Very Hard, a hefty morale bonus, reload and accuracy benefits.

**TheBigOne** · July 31, 2014, 03:51 PM

I know the game is unfair on many levels, but that's more a bad programing, than intention. Cavalry behavior, artillery limber, aiming, shooting your own kind of problems, formation behavior when chasing routed units with cavalry, taking casualties, when running through your own units with cavalry, which by the way AI never has. I don't believe that this can be considered cheating.
Mughal made an army of 15 units in one turn and I am pretty sure it wasn't a revolt. I don't have that save though, as I kept playing. In the past two days I unlocked the FOW and watched the whole europe and counted armies and units, but it didn't happen again. So maybe it was a glitch after all.

**StukaJr** · August 01, 2014, 06:13 PM

Do tell how you have isolated this instance to be caused by the Mod and the Mod alone?

CAI playing fast and loose with buffing armies / spawning units while concealed by FOW is a staple of TW Vanilla games, so is AI declaring on player and then proceeding to march armies without provocation / response over enemy / neutral lands right to your front door... And yes, AI does not cheat when FOW is off. The problem(s) may be made more noticeable / become more frequent with a Mod that tweaks CAI' aggressiveness, but that's still the base game's implementation of AI.

Some mods took care of this (like TROM for S2), but that's not necessarily standard across the board. Since it's not something that's been stated as addressed by DM, then you really are having an issue with the base game (which is a dead horse beaten over an over) - you are misplacing your frustration onto a Mod that makes a solid attempt to extend a broken and never fixed (by developers) game into a more enjoyable experience.

**Bran Mac Born** · August 16, 2014, 01:38 AM

If units have campaign map stealth ability then the AI can move those units without the player knowing where they came from. So it is not a cheat-if that is indeed the case.