Cavalry charges through infantry like a knife through butter...

**SenseiJT92** · July 19, 2014, 05:33 PM

I don't know when this problem occurred, as it never used to be so - but in my latest battle, I have just witnessed 3 heavy cavalry units charge through my phalanx of Royal Hoplites/Citizen Hoplites (x5) who were defending a gatehouse. This has meant that the cavalry, unchallenged, have managed to get to my city capture zone to butcher my reserve troops, whilst my Hoplites are rendered useless at the gates. What has been broken that has resulted in cavalry just being able to storm through solid walls of men without any loss to speed??

**Friar Chris** · July 19, 2014, 07:09 PM

Not sure. Between them really screwing up formation behaviours and unit mass, it's a mystery what is even working as it should any more.

This is an issue that has been reported on the TW forums, and is allegedly 'In Progress' for a fix. So maybe we'll get one by 2016, or maybe they'll abandon the game before then. 50/50.

**DeliCiousTZM** · July 19, 2014, 07:18 PM

a Royal spartan breaching in formation, wont fall down unless hit in the rear or side. Most likely you moved them forward or some such.

**Friar Chris** · July 19, 2014, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by DeliCiousTZM

a Royal spartan breaching in formation, wont fall down unless hit in the rear or side. Most likely you moved them forward or some such.

Nah, there's currently an issue wherein cavalry can somehow maintain momentum through a braced unit or two of melee or spear infantry and come out the other side as if they had 'slipped' through.

http://forums.totalwar.com/showthrea...fending-troops

**Noble Lancer** · July 19, 2014, 08:30 PM

that was fixed in 13.1 though

**Jean=A=Luc** · July 19, 2014, 11:34 PM

Hot knife through butter. A non-heated knife might struggle with butter especially if it's dull or the butter is cold or semi-frozen.

**FieryMastermind** · July 20, 2014, 08:11 AM

The reason for this is Warscape and Warscape alone. The engine lacks unit collision, so forget about the 300 scenario of holding a tight space, as you can just simply spam your way through the enemy lines if you want to. Lots of scripting has been added which tries to simulate unit collision, but in reality it's not really there, hence the clipping issues.

**riskymonk** · July 20, 2014, 12:13 PM

This pull through tactic was meant to be fixed. Are they capable at being at this level in the gaming industry?

**68 Powers** · July 20, 2014, 12:20 PM

I dont know why people bother complaining about the bugs in this game, you'll be complaining forever in reality because CA doesn't really give a

. Gotta get that Rome 2: Alexander DLC out rather than fix any bugs.

**alQamar** · July 20, 2014, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Death from Anon

I don't know when this problem occurred, as it never used to be so - but in my latest battle, I have just witnessed 3 heavy cavalry units charge through my phalanx of Royal Hoplites/Citizen Hoplites (x5) who were defending a gatehouse. This has meant that the cavalry, unchallenged, have managed to get to my city capture zone to butcher my reserve troops, whilst my Hoplites are rendered useless at the gates. What has been broken that has resulted in cavalry just being able to storm through solid walls of men without any loss to speed??

it is unfortunately a bug Anon have a look

**FieryMastermind** · July 20, 2014, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by alQamar

Proves exactly why CA should ditch Warscape for their next title!

**alQamar** · July 20, 2014, 03:41 PM

If you think so do not miss to vote on my specific thread about it

**DeliCiousTZM** · July 20, 2014, 06:18 PM

Oh yes pull through. Its funny we had been using it in MPC for months before people even picked it up properly. Well remove formation attack and you will see casualties soar, also consider keeping a backup spear behind the first group, it will make it devilishly hard to pull through.

This works with infantry too. Are you sick of watching hopilite slowly grinding some weak unit down? Remove formation attack and pull through! Now your hopilite will go toe to toe slaughtering those pesky peasants in record time!

**Kaiser** · July 20, 2014, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by FieryMastermind

The reason for this is Warscape and Warscape alone. The engine lacks unit collision, so forget about the 300 scenario of holding a tight space, as you can just simply spam your way through the enemy lines if you want to. Lots of scripting has been added which tries to simulate unit collision, but in reality it's not really there, hence the clipping issues.

And that seems realistic in any way? Physics dictate that superior mass would eventually push the 300 defenders back...

And the cavalry pull through has been patched to a certain extent. Cavalry is less able to do so, except on the flanks on the units and will suffer high casualty while doing so. People talking about it as if its pre-patch still.

**Symphony** · July 20, 2014, 09:12 PM

Playing under the new patch, I can't get my cavalry to pull through mobs, much less spear infantry. If anything, it feels more like the early "sticky cavalry" issue than pull-through.

Your personal anecdote may vary, I guess.

**Causeless** · July 21, 2014, 05:52 AM

Yeah, pull-through was fixed.

Are you playing with mods, Anon?

also, unit collision is in Rome 2... You can clearly see men being pushed around when 2 friendly units move through each other.

**alQamar** · July 21, 2014, 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by Causeless

Yeah, pull-through was fixed.

Are you playing with mods, Anon?

also, unit collision is in Rome 2... You can clearly see men being pushed around when 2 friendly units move through each other.

I was fixed or is fixed? ThePrussianPrince uploaded the video above on the 2nd of June that was after the 13.1 update.

**Humble Warrior** · July 21, 2014, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by Kaiser

And that seems realistic in any way? Physics dictate that superior mass would eventually push the 300 defenders back...

I gotta come in here...
It does not work like that. You talk of physics, but you greatly misunderstand. Yes, if it was one brainless stone block pushing against a smaller brainless stone block, but we are talking about PEOPLE here that do not want to brainlessly die. They want to win, but common logic won`t let them just squeeze against each other- They need ROOM to fight. The first row will attack, while those behind wait their turn - they don`t all mush up no matter how much RTW2 tries to make you think they would.

With your logic Boudica with her 200000 men should`ve swept aside the Romans with 10000 crushing them because- physics!

**Causeless** · July 21, 2014, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by alQamar

I was fixed or is fixed? ThePrussianPrince uploaded the video above on the 2nd of June that was after the 13.1 update.

It IS fixed. The 13.1 patch came on the 17th of June, more than 2 weeks after the video...

**FieryMastermind** · July 21, 2014, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by Kaiser

And that seems realistic in any way? Physics dictate that superior mass would eventually push the 300 defenders back...

Oh please, how many historical battles are proving your wrong at the moment?

And the cavalry pull through has been patched to a certain extent. Cavalry is less able to do so, except on the flanks on the units and will suffer high casualty while doing so. People talking about it as if its pre-patch still.

This is indeed true, it only took what... 13.1 patches for them to fix calvary