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    Despite warnings from Anonymous, Senate committee on Tuesday passes the Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act (CISA) during a closed session. The bill may increase NSA‘s power to collect personal data of American citizens, according to critics.


    The CISA bill was drafted by Senator Saxby Chambliss and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-CA – widely known as a new form of last year’s CISPA bill, that was dropped by Congress after nationwide protests.


    Critics fear that this bill will create a massive loophole in existing privacy laws by allowing the government to ask companies for “voluntary” cooperation in sharing information, including the content of communications, for cyber security purposes. But the definition lawmakers are using for the so-called “cybersecurity information” is so broad, it could sweep up huge amount of personal data of innocent Americans.

    The Guardian reports that: “A cybersecurity purpose,” which was defined as “the purpose of protecting an information system or information that is stored on, processed by or transiting an information system from a cybersecurity threat or security vulnerability.”


    In total 12 Senate members voted in favor and to 3 against the bill to advance it for full approval. Once the bill is passed, it would allow private firms to share information regarding cyber-attacks “in real time” for instance, if users are aware that their data is being shared with the federal government they cannot sue or do anything about it because it would also shield those firms from lawsuits by individuals against those companies for sharing data with each other.


    “In the year since Edward Snowden revealed the existence of sweeping surveillance programs, authorized in secret and under classified and flawed legal reasoning, Americans have overwhelmingly asked for meaningful privacy reform and a roll back of the surveillance state created since passage of the Patriot Act, the bill would do exactly the opposite,” according to a letter written by privacy group.


    Senators Mark Udall (D-Co.) and RonWyden (D-Or.) voted against the bill and criticizing the approval in a statement, according to which:


    “Cyber-attacks on U.S. firms and infrastructure pose a serious threat to America’s economic health and national security. We agree there is a need for information-sharing between the federal government and private companies about cybersecurity threats and how to defend against them. However, we have seen how the federal government has exploited loopholes to collect Americans’ private information in the name of security. The only way to make cybersecurity information-sharing effective and acceptable is to ensure that there are strong protections for Americans’ constitutional privacy rights. Without these protections in place, private companies will rightly see participation as bad for business.


    “We are concerned that the bill the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence reported today lacks adequate protections for the privacy rights of law-abiding Americans, and that it will not materially improve cybersecurity. We opposed the bill for these reasons, but we stand ready to work with our colleagues to address its shortcomings.”


    The full text of CISA bill will be available next week.
    http://hackread.com/senate-committee...security-bill/

    As I predicted, CISPA is back, but in a new form.
    This new law is so vague that it could easily be used to violate privacy of US citizens.
    Lawmakers seem to have ignored the large public outcry that followed the revelations Edward Snowden made about NSA and its clandestine spying on the American citizens.
    It was also reported that NSA and other spy agencies are infiltrating various tech companies to ensure that their encryption standards are low enough for them not to have much trouble with.
    This bill is especially significant in the context of both anti-gun populism of Obama's administration and the NSA's activity. The language lawmakers used sounded extremely vague for its purpose and could potentially be used against dissenters, since it opens doors for violation of privacy of US citizens, with corporations being able to "volunteer" to give up private data of their users.
    Much like PRISM, which was largely ineffective against fighting "terrorism", this law may also have a different purpose, by providing government agencies with extra tools for access to private data.
    So it looks like US government is, as usual, ignoring the largely negative public view on such programs and continues to erode privacy rights in the name of "safety". Question is, how far will it go?
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    The bill hasn't even come to either the floor of the Senate for discussion or a full vote yet, let alone the House of Representatives, plus what the contents of the bill actually entails is still a mystery. HOWEVER, if it is as critics believe (although those are only assumptions at the moment), then hopefully it gets dropped just like CIPSA did. Kind of asinine for you to froth at the mouth toward the U.S. government for something that is still in its infancy in the law-making process.
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    With 4:1 vote in the committee I'll remain skeptical. They seem to have a "tradition" of re-packaging unpopular laws that weren't passed before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    With 4:1 vote in the committee I'll remain skeptical. They seem to have a "tradition" of re-packaging unpopular laws that weren't passed before.
    Of course they do; politicians represent themselves and their interests, not their constituents. By slapping a new name on it, and maybe rewording phrases here and there, it likens their chance of it squeaking by other congressmen solely on the ignorance factor.
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    Why do democrats hate freedom?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Why do democrats hate freedom?
    Au contraire, they certainly like freedom. For themselves.
    I'm not surprised to see Obama make George Dubya look like a human rights activist.
    But in all seriousness, it doesn't matter what kind of party is in power, both are about the same thing. Anti-privacy laws and spying programs were adopted way back during the Bush era. The whole "change" thing was nothing but mindless populism, Obama continued Bush's worst programs and continues to do so today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Why do democrats hate freedom?
    Why do Republicans hate brown people?

    But in all seriousness, it doesn't matter what kind of party is in power, both are about the same thing. Anti-privacy laws and spying programs were adopted way back during the Bush era.
    Very true. The "Patriot Act," anyone?

    The whole "change" thing was nothing but mindless populism, Obama continued Bush's worst programs and continues to do so today.
    Like the Iraq War? Or are you just referring to NSA-related stuff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seether View Post
    Why do Republicans hate brown people?
    Do they? They seem to be awfully friendly with Saudi Arabia and various Islamist groups in Syria and other Middle-Eastern countries.
    Very true. The "Patriot Act," anyone?
    Indeed.
    Like the Iraq War? Or are you just referring to NSA-related stuff?
    Obama wanted to start his own Iraq war in Syria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Do they? They seem to be awfully friendly with Saudi Arabia and various Islamist groups in Syria and other Middle-Eastern countries.
    They'll never outright admit it (who would?), but look at immigration reform, their attempts at altering voting laws, fanatical support of the war on drugs and the prison system, as well as a myriad of other incidents. Besides, money, oil and geopolitical interests makes Republicans completely blind to skin color and that nasty religion of Islam.

    Obama wanted to start his own Iraq war in Syria.
    Wanting and doing are two separate things. Obama at least allowed diplomacy to win out when he accepted the Russian-brokered deal to destroy Assad's chemical weapons. Bush, on the other hand, went to war in Iraq even after the UN told him to off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seether View Post
    They'll never outright admit it (who would?), but look at immigration reform, their attempts at altering voting laws, fanatical support of the war on drugs and the prison system, as well as a myriad of other incidents. Besides, money, oil and geopolitical interests makes Republicans completely blind to skin color and that nasty religion of Islam.
    They seem to be supportive of both when it comes to their interests. Same goes for Democrats..
    Wanting and doing are two separate things. Obama at least allowed diplomacy to win out when he accepted the Russian-brokered deal to destroy Assad's chemical weapons. Bush, on the other hand, went to war in Iraq even after the UN told him to off.
    If it was up to him, he'd do it. I think Bush received more support for Iraq war then Obama did in his warmongering against Syria. It was also happening when it was already obvious that Syrian rebels are nothing like "freedom-loving facebook generation fighting for democracy" that media tried to initially paint them as.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    They seem to be supportive of both when it comes to their interests. Same goes for Democrats.
    Of course, that's politics.

    If it was up to him, he'd do it.
    Meh... debatable.

    I think Bush received more support for Iraq war then Obama did in his warmongering against Syria. It was also happening when it was already obvious that Syrian rebels are nothing like "freedom-loving facebook generation fighting for democracy" that media tried to initially paint them as.
    A decade of two wars makes a huge difference in nations' and peoples' appetite for a new one. But we're getting way off topic.
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    If they want to invade privacy to this extent, every Senator or Congressman who votes for this should have, webcams and mics bolted to their foreheads, always on, nothing to hide, nothing to fear right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seether View Post
    Of course, that's politics.
    A lot of people chose to ignore specifics to support their favorite party.
    Meh... debatable.
    He did participate in attack on Libya when he got the chance.
    A decade of two wars makes a huge difference in nations' and peoples' appetite for a new one. But we're getting way off topic.
    Indeed. My point was that Obama tried doing same thing in 2013 that Bush did in 2003. It was continuation of same old policy, its just that its methodology became outdated.
    By means of ever more effective methods of mind-manipulation, the democracies will change their nature; the quaint old forms -- elections, parliaments, Supreme Courts and all the rest -- will remain. The underlying substance will be a new kind of non-violent totalitarianism. All the traditional names, all the hallowed slogans will remain exactly what they were in the good old days. Democracy and freedom will be the theme of every broadcast and editorial [...]. Meanwhile the ruling oligarchy and its highly trained elite of soldiers, policemen, thought-manufacturers and mind-manipulators will quietly run the show as they see fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Why do democrats hate freedom?

    *Cough* PATRIOT act *cough*. Republicans can't tolerate it either, so centrist and centre right Dems (like Obama) are running with the idea. Basically all parties have Authoritarian wings, they are in the ascendant currently.

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    I understand Obama's strategy; he's not less militant than W, I suspect he's more so. But he only wants to wield the big stick if it serves America's long term interests, motivated by both global opinion, public relations and a constrained defence budget.
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    Bring in the Frumentarii!
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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    *Cough* PATRIOT act *cough*. Republicans can't tolerate it either, so centrist and centre right Dems (like Obama) are running with the idea. Basically all parties have Authoritarian wings, they are in the ascendant currently.
    http://educate-yourself.org/cn/patri...natevote.shtml

    And this is not the Patriot act now is it. But its cute you think "centrist" dems are somehow being influenced by Republicans. I know you aren't a US citizen but IF democrats are so weak minded thats even a worse thing.
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    At the same time Britain has just passed 'emergency' laws extending the gov.t's ability to snoop on citizens without a warrant or even suspicion of crime.
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