Originally Posted by
Lord of Nihilism
While their contributions to the World are worthwhile, they're insignificant compared to people like Sir Isaac Newton, Richard the Lionheart, Helmuth von Moltke, Carl von Clausewitz, Frederick the Great, William Wallace, Arthur Wellesley, Horatio Nelson, Napoleon Bonaparte, Louis Nicholas Devout, Michel Ney, Jean Lannes, Jean De Lattre, Charles De Gaulle, Jean le Rond d'Alembert, Andre-Marie Ampere, , Gustavus Adolphus, Carl Gustav Armfeldt and the list can continue on for 10+ pages. Like I said, France, the UK, Germany, Quebec and the Nordic countries are far more valuable than the Mediterranean countries in both history and economic might. If the ISIS takes out the countries I listed, Western civilisation as we know it will collapse and the world will descend into chaos and darkness.
Well, these barbarians as you call us are responsible for Western civilisation and the World you enjoy living in, so that's high praise if anything. Us barbarians shaped this world for the past 500+ years and continue doing so, so if anything, we improved this World immensely compared to the Greeks. It's really no question; France, the UK, Quebec, Germany and the Nordic countries are the pioneers of western civilisation and if the ISIS conquered these countries, the World would be finished and technological advances would come to a halt. On the other hand, if the ISIS makes a Caliphate out of the Mediterranean countries, what exactly do we lose? A lot of countries who haven't been relevant in more than 500 years, as well as their severe economic problems. The ISIS would gain a lot of debt if they conquered Greece, Spain, Portugal and etc so that's fine by me.
I'm afraid not, the vikings after the fall of the Roman Empire were considered the best explorers, and that's backed up by their impressive ship technology at the time as well as the fact that the Vikings were the first Europeans to colonise North America(Though, it didn't last too long). The Portuguese explorers weren't as important as you claim they are. They essentially mapped the coasts of Brasil, Africa and India and that's it; their contributions to naval navigation was limited and severely lacking compared to the British, French and the Vikings/Nordic countries.
I read that link and if that's the best that Portugal gave us then i'm sorely dissapointed.
While Portugal contributed something to naval exploration/navigation, their contributions were nothing compared to the British, French and the Nordic countries. This is why I won't shed a tear if the ISIS conquers Portugal.
Really? You want to question what the Nordic countries have contributed? I can oblige that request I suppose. For starters, Sweden was a superpower during 1610-1720 approximately and changed the way wars were fought. Gustavus Adolphus is considered to be one of the greatest military commanders of all time, and Napoleon Bonaparte even respected him. There's also the fact that during the Viking Age, Sweden(Among others) reigned in present day Ireland and the UK and they also ruled in Kievan Rus(Modern day Ukraine). Essentially, what Sweden contributed to this world is a rich history in which they innovated warfare and naval exploration.
Indeed you are, but hopefully logic and reasoning will prevail.