[Discussion] General Discussion Thread

**total relism** · June 21, 2014, 04:48 AM

Thread to discuss anything related to middle earth.

favorite movie/book?

two towers

**Don Juan_de_Austria** · June 22, 2014, 10:25 AM

book: The Fellowship
film: Return of the King

**total relism** · June 22, 2014, 11:55 AM

faction most want to play in a mod
lorien

**Clenvey** · June 22, 2014, 04:53 PM

What do you expect from Lorien? I would really like to play the Uruks with the new formations. Or the Silvan Elves with the look from "the Hobbit".

**total relism** · June 23, 2014, 06:50 PM

I expect galadrial,nenya,the mirror of galdriel ,mallorn trees, caras galadhon,best archers in middle earth...what else do you need?.

**Don Juan_de_Austria** · June 25, 2014, 01:52 AM

Rohirrim! For Eorlingas!!
I need a huge cavalry army to trampel all into the ground who oppose me.

**the lightning legion** · June 25, 2014, 02:12 AM

gondor for the epic battles
I must hold the walls and engage in massive pitched battles with legions of infantry

**Dontfearme22** · June 25, 2014, 10:23 AM

Rhun, whats not to love about evil Gondor?

**❋ Flavius Belisarius ❋** · June 27, 2014, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Dontfearme22

Rhun, whats not to love about evil Gondor?

You know, some years after the released of the Return of the King, in one of his Letters, Tolkien speaks about a story he started to write about the Fourth Age(like some 50 years after Aragorn's death). One of the elements was a youthful "orc cult" that comes about when the young people of Gondor become interested in the (what we now must assume is extinct) race of orcs. However, Tolkien found that he could really not "get into" the story; that it was "too modern" and all the "magic" was gone from Middle-earth. In the end, the story was abandoned.

I would love to know what happen in the 4th and even 5th age, I mean, what about the last elves in Middle Earth (if you think about it, there're great chances that some of them will stay in Middle Earth like forever never to come back in the Undying Lands again).
Just men ? No magic ? He conceived Middle-Earth like Earth in the distant past (interesting isn't it ?

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**total relism** · June 28, 2014, 06:15 AM

Yeah I would say it was meant middle earth to be earth today. Just not as exciting as third age lol, that is why we mod games to try to live that period. I have only read some of the [will read all soon] silmarillion but third age seems best to me.

**Grimnir** · July 26, 2014, 04:42 PM

Lets revive this thread a bit.

My favourite book. Thats a hard one. Im just re-reading them and just finished the first one ans I love it, maybe my favourite. But that can change. ^^

Movies: Fellowship or Return of the king. Love them both.

The hobbit movies are just... Terrible really. Azog just ruins it, that strange act of burying smaug in gold appears to have been integrated only to lengthen the movie. Jackson just trying to get too much action out of a childrens book. Btw why the hells are the orks this huge? Only the big uruks of mordor were ALMOST as big as men. In the hobbit all these warg rider and assulting orks are huge muscular Monsters. Like the orcs from lotr better.

@total relism I haven't read the entire silmarillion yet as well. It's kinda like the bible ^^ may get round to do that later.

**total relism** · July 26, 2014, 06:48 PM

I dislike the hobbit movies as well, just read entire book for first time, was amazed. I had only read small parts before. I do think the third could be a great movie if done right. I hated all he added and changed in the movies.

I know i must read the silmarillion as well, its on the list.

**the lightning legion** · July 26, 2014, 10:06 PM

the hobbit may have been better if it was not watered down into three movies

**Grimnir** · July 27, 2014, 02:10 PM

@total relism: i think the third one is going to be aweful. There is nothing left but smaug destroying the City of the lake and the battle of the five armies. Jackson is going to focus so much on the action its going to be a total massacre etc.

**zylyithe** · April 25, 2015, 12:52 PM

I like most of the evil things in lord of the rings I kind of hate how Jrr just kind of deus ex machina'd the

out of his stories or as he coined it "Eucastastrophe" I kind of also dislike his racist undertones. Like with the troll men of harad being troll men cuz they where probably just black dudes. Or how he describes other races as swarthy and not in a good way. Despite that for some reason I kind of have some weird image of a romanticized swarthy rhunic dude with a Spanish accent. LOL Despite what I just said I enjoy the images it brings to my mind because it amuses me greatly imagining a bunch of swarthy good looking dudes speaking french fighting with orcs under the banner of sauron.

Despite that I also like how their are prophesies and such like one day Morgoth shall return and what not. I also like the inclusion of spiders and other beasts.
He is a lot like Hp lovecraft great mind but has a few odd kinks that kind of make him better cuz of his insight into the values of his time and place.

**Bercor** · April 26, 2015, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by zylyithe

Like with the troll men of harad being troll men cuz they where probably just black dudes.

Well, I wouldn't really fault him for that. He is merely describing those unknow beings for the Gondorians, as they would (in fact, I believe the line that references the "half-trolls" is spoken by a gondorian soldier).

As most Gondorians had never seen black men before, it's normal, given their skin tone and the fact that they're too tall to be Orcs, that they associate them to trolls.

**zylyithe** · April 27, 2015, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by Bercor

Well, I wouldn't really fault him for that. He is merely describing those unknow beings for the Gondorians, as they would (in fact, I believe the line that references the "half-trolls" is spoken by a gondorian soldier).

As most Gondorians had never seen black men before, it's normal, given their skin tone and the fact that they're too tall to be Orcs, that they associate them to trolls.

Unlike HP Lovecraft JRR racisim was just due to his time and he would also talk about his views. In some reverse racism he really liked jews (positive stereotypes are still a stereotype) despite that I think JRR was a good guy. As for the gondorian's I kind of dislike them they seem kind of smug to me but you know that is just opinion. The troll men of harad kind of remind me of the blemmy's.

**Alkar** · June 28, 2015, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by zylyithe

Unlike HP Lovecraft JRR racisim was just due to his time and he would also talk about his views. In some reverse racism he really liked jews (positive stereotypes are still a stereotype) despite that I think JRR was a good guy. As for the gondorian's I kind of dislike them they seem kind of smug to me but you know that is just opinion. The troll men of harad kind of remind me of the blemmy's.

Hmm, Tolkien was literally the undisputed lord of writing ... he was trying to create everything from the perspective of the Men of the West ... their opinions of others from the East, etc. Most of the content in this regard for study is from the Letters of Tolkien. I could do an entire study on it if you like when I read his Letters again.