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    Default Portugal poll - independent or emergent?

    The situation of Portugal poses some challenges at this time. In 1580-1640 Portugal was in a personal union with Spain under the Phillipine dynasty. On the other hand it had substantial autonomy. Portugal seceded from the Iberian Union in 1640 under John IV of the House of Braganza.

    In that context I have set up a poll to help decide Portugal's status as either an emergent, a Spanish ally or a Spanish protectorate.
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    definitely a Spanish protectorate. Is there a way to trigger an event that breaks them free if certain conditions are met?

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    I would love to play as them!
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    I think people would love to play as Portugal, thus I'm up for it beign independant.

    Can it be a playable protectorate?

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    Indeed I would say protectorate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YourStepDad View Post
    I think people would love to play as Portugal, thus I'm up for it beign independant.

    Can it be a playable protectorate?
    Playable protectorates are indeed possible but the tutorial on making new protectorates has not been updated in years and I would ask HusserITW to do so if possible. The structure of the startpos has changed a bit since 2009. I have no experience creating new protectorates.
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    Agree, protectorate, and if you know scripting, you can set up a plot trigger like W.O.S.S,
    since it is not possible to implement Brazil, at least change their ships to be all galleons, so they can defend vs pirates and make a buck,
    or perhaps give them dutch & french guyana if those regions were not already taken by dutch & france,
    and perhaps T&T, i think an investigation on Caribbean must be undertaken.
    The autonomy is easily done by allowing Portugal to declare war
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    Right I've figured out how to make Portugal a Spanish protectorate. Subject to testing and someone not changing my mind, it will be in the next release, and if possible Portugal will also be playable.

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    Hooray!

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    Default Re: Portugal poll - independent or emergent?

    I can make Portugal a protectorate, or playable. But I am unsure I can do both without CTDs. I will examine it further.
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    sadly this startpos doesnt work with warpath
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    Portugal it Independent,i love Spain and Portugal as Union..even in history i know it emergent as own nation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geronimo2006 View Post
    Right I've figured out how to make Portugal a Spanish protectorate. Subject to testing and someone not changing my mind, it will be in the next release, and if possible Portugal will also be playable.

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    Being a protectorade doesnt mean that doesnt have any autonamy .Portugal continued to be Portugal ,it was never part of Spain .
    Portugal was not conquered. Therefore there is not reason for this ,only personal reasons.
    And why you decided this ,when the poll shows that people wish Portugal as independent ,3 times more than the choice of protectorate ?
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    I voted emergent, simply for the fact that Spain will have to constantly keep the population happy, Especially in Portugal. Portugal should be in rebelious opposition with the Spanish Crown. If the Kings ratings lowers and loses control, than that should trigger another Portugese Revolt. Similar to what Spain had during those times. Until the Spanish player decides to leave Portugal alone and chose peace. It shouldn't be easy for Spain. Lots of internal conflict.

    Of course It would be cool to have Portugal as a player faction.
    Its a close call Protectorate could also be hiostorically closer.

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    Default Re: Portugal poll - independent or emergent?

    The most correct way to depict Portugal and its personal union at the time is as a playable protectorate. Never as an emergent faction, as many people would love to play with it.

    BTW as a special unit for Portugal it should be the Terço Real da Armada, created in 1621, naval infantry that fought either on land and sea and was the Royal Guard of the king after 1640:

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    and after 1664:

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    I can find more images for portuguese troops and ships of the time if you want.

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    Default Re: Portugal poll - independent or emergent?

    BTW, they were created in 1618

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackEagle88 View Post
    BTW, they were created in 1618
    I totally agree with you. Playable protectorate. Best choice!

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    Default Re: Portugal poll - independent or emergent?

    I suppose the solution that fit the best is protectorate.

    It is also possible, if you don't use all faction slots, to "create" two factions : Portugal_union and Portugal.
    Portugal being an emergent faction in... Portugal.
    Portugal_union owning Portugal region at the beginning of the campaign, if a revolution occurs and succeed, then Portugal will emerge.
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    Default Re: Portugal poll - independent or emergent?

    Quote Originally Posted by wangrin View Post
    I suppose the solution that fit the best is protectorate.

    It is also possible, if you don't use all faction slots, to "create" two factions : Portugal_union and Portugal.
    Portugal being an emergent faction in... Portugal.
    Portugal_union owning Portugal region at the beginning of the campaign, if a revolution occurs and succeed, then Portugal will emerge.
    Sounds interesting. I might do that but we'll see. I could make the emergent Portugal hostile to Spain.
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    Would that mean that Portugal would be playable from the beggining? And after the revolution?

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