SSHIP - General Discussion

[Lifthrasir]

Unfortunately, no major changes for Egypt in this release. But it doesn't mean that we have forgotten. This is just a matter of time.

Regarding Mongols, it should be around 1220 AD if I remember it correctly.

[MWY]

Sure there are changes to egypt. You start as fatimids with mostly mercenary units. By playing in a certain way, you can unlock the ayyubid era and eventually even mamluks later in the game. So your army will shift from bad quality troops in large numbers to high quality troops in lower numbers. We have many new units from broken crescent implemented for egypt for this release.

List of Changes (from what I can remember):

New AI:
- new defending behaviour, AI should be able to distribute it's forces pretty well even on multiple borders
- new invading behaviour, Invasions should happen with large forces. Naval invasions should also be used pretty well.
- Alliances are pretty rare now.
- Diplomacy will be resetted from time to time for small factions to simulate a change of political power due to unsuccessfull rulers and to stop the game from getting stable.

New Global Reputation System:
- Your global reputation will consistently rise over time.
- Taking settlements will give the greatest hit to the global reputation, attacking armies, initiating wars, breaking alliances, spying, sabotaging, etc. will lower your reputation aswell.
- Once your reputation drops below a certain level, you will really feel the hate of the other factions towards you.
- High reputation reduces the risk of being attacked by another faction, also enables stuff like order recruitment.

New almoravid roster:
- New regional berber units, new professional units, more diversity for the roster in general. Thanks broken crescent for most of the units!

New egypt roster:
- As stated above.

New units for spain, portugal and the abbassids:
- New mailed knights throwing spears for the iberian factions, abna units for abbassids.

Other stuff:
- New strat map lightning.
- some new resource models.
- some new settlements.
- Updated unit costs and recruitment times.

[Larkin]

Sounds awesome!

[Pyres Δt Varanasi]

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Sure there are changes to egypt. You start as fatimids with mostly mercenary units. By playing in a certain way, you can unlock the ayyubid era and eventually even mamluks later in the game. So your army will shift from bad quality troops in large numbers to high quality troops in lower numbers. We have many new units from broken crescent implemented for egypt for this release.

List of Changes (from what I can remember):

New AI:
- new defending behaviour, AI should be able to distribute it's forces pretty well even on multiple borders
- new invading behaviour, Invasions should happen with large forces. Naval invasions should also be used pretty well.
- Alliances are pretty rare now.
- Diplomacy will be resetted from time to time for small factions to simulate a change of political power due to unsuccessfull rulers and to stop the game from getting stable.

New Global Reputation System:
- Your global reputation will consistently rise over time.
- Taking settlements will give the greatest hit to the global reputation, attacking armies, initiating wars, breaking alliances, spying, sabotaging, etc. will lower your reputation aswell.
- Once your reputation drops below a certain level, you will really feel the hate of the other factions towards you.
- High reputation reduces the risk of being attacked by another faction, also enables stuff like order recruitment.

New almoravid roster:
- New regional berber units, new professional units, more diversity for the roster in general. Thanks broken crescent for most of the units!

New egypt roster:
- As stated above.

New units for spain, portugal and the abbassids:
- New mailed knights throwing spears for the iberian factions, abna units for abbassids.

Other stuff:
- New strat map lightning.
- some new resource models.
- some new settlements.
- Updated unit costs and recruitment times.

Awesome ! Ayyubid era will you explain or eloborate more on how to unlock those units for Egypt?

[Gercog]

- Diplomacy will be resetted from time to time for small factions to simulate a change of political power due to unsuccessfull rulers and to stop the game from getting stable.

But will it cause that after the abolition of unions, large fractions will eat small factions?
And yet you mentioned units of the broken crescent, will whether the units for the Crusaders in this mod? there they are very beautiful

[umbracatervae777]

good news, i think i will start play as Fatimid soon

[MWY]

Thanks for the feedback guys!

@Ariel: The triggers are currently quite simple, I admit.

You can unluck the ayyubids by:

1. Capturing damascus (So getting closer to the cultural heritage of the ghulams/mamluks, simulating an increased influence of their culture)

2. Building a lot of local guard buildings in your cities, again increasing the influence of ghulams/mamluks in society/culture)

3. After a certain number of turns.

All those events the player can accept or decline. So there's always a choice of keeping the first type of troops and playing as fatimids. Although that probably isnt that much fun over time.
By the way, feel free to add new ideas for the triggers. I'm always open to suggestions.

@Gercog: Mh perhaps. But mostly, it gives small factions a chance to break free. Because what usually happens is that a small factions gets vassalized. When they are, it's hardcoded that they can not invade anyone anymore. So those stayed basically dead factions for A LOT of turns. Like this, they will lose alliances, but also break free of the vassalage status. So overall, the chances of a faction being successfull are raised with this script.

Some BC units for crusaders are implemented, but we will mostly use Kahvi's units for them I think. Since (no offense to BC) they are even more awesome in my opinion.

[Gercog]

All those events the player can accept or decline. So there's always a choice of keeping the first type of troops and playing as fatimids. Although that probably isnt that much fun over time.
By the way, feel free to add new ideas for the triggers. I'm always open to suggestions.

@Gercog: Mh perhaps. But mostly, it gives small factions a chance to break free. Because what usually happens is that a small factions gets vassalized. When they are, it's hardcoded that they can not invade anyone anymore. So those stayed basically dead factions for A LOT of turns. Like this, they will lose alliances, but also break free of the vassalage status. So overall, the chances of a faction being successfull are raised with this script.

Some BC units for crusaders are implemented, but we will mostly use Kahvi's units for them I think. Since (no offense to BC) they are even more awesome in my opinion.

What do you think about the system of dynasties, as in Bellum Crucis? If this could be a realize in this mod, it would be 1000% the best mod in the world!))
Can you give a link to "Kahvi's units"? never heard about it before.

[MWY]

Could you explain that a bit further? Never played Bellum Crucis.

Kahvi's units are these ones:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...Units-overhaul

[Gercog]

Could you explain that a bit further? Never played Bellum Crucis.

Kahvi's units are these ones:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...Units-overhaul

I will try to explain as far how I allow my english)
There using ancillaries given dynasty, which automatically goes from father to son, in the male line. thus it is possible to build a historical dynasty (provided if a son is born) is a very interesting thing that gives to mod spirit of history
For example:
This is Robert, as you can see he of the Capetian dynasty.


And this is Simon son of Robert, when he reaches the age of maturity he also gets ancillaries Capetian dynasty


And he is Simon a member of the Capetian dynasty



And there are several dynasties in each of fraction - Plantagenets, d'Anjou, Hohenstaufen and many others... each with its own coat of arms and bonuses.
but instead of 1000 words you better to find and download this mod. I think there you will find a lot of useful information. you probably better than I understand these triggers, ansilaris, scripts, and other

[Larkin]

Wow that's actually a really cool feature, I'd love to see something like that

[sgz]

I understand your point of view, BuTAJluK. But it is always interesting to get the feeling of our Folks. No worry, we'll find a way to please a maximum of people (you included )

I'd be in favour of weakening heretics. While you're at it I'd like to see unit caps on merchants and diplomats too. Personally I find a lot of time is wasted during turns with merchant takeovers and foreign diplomats spamming my cities ie motioning to offer a deal but nothing happens. I end up having to send out assassins to kill them off !

[BuTAJIuK]

Lifthrasir you see another one wants to be weakened. Just want to focus more on the merchants and the conquest

[MWY]

If I remember correctly, I already weakened heretics for the next release quite a bit. In my current game, they are not really a problem.

How do you wanna cap diplomats sgz? Almost every settlement needs to be able to recruit one, otherwise small factions might not be able to use diplomacy...

[sgz]

If I remember correctly, I already weakened heretics for the next release quite a bit. In my current game, they are not really a problem.

How do you wanna cap diplomats sgz? Almost every settlement needs to be able to recruit one, otherwise small factions might not be able to use diplomacy...

I'm not sure if it's possible but if so I'd propose 1 for each 5 provinces owned with 3 being the maximum allowed. So if you own 6 provinces you get can get 2 diplomats, 15 =3. I'd do the same for merchants.

On another point - notification of foreign leader dying is quite intrusive and they seem to have quite short life expectancies! Could you cut out the notification script ?

Love SSHIP. Excited about the new version. Have totally erased all M2TW mods and files and done a fresh install of SS6.4 in readiness.

[Pyres Δt Varanasi]

Thanks for the feedback guys!

@Ariel: The triggers are currently quite simple, I admit.

You can unluck the ayyubids by:

1. Capturing damascus (So getting closer to the cultural heritage of the ghulams/mamluks, simulating an increased influence of their culture)

2. Building a lot of local guard buildings in your cities, again increasing the influence of ghulams/mamluks in society/culture)

3. After a certain number of turns.

All those events the player can accept or decline. So there's always a choice of keeping the first type of troops and playing as fatimids. Although that probably isnt that much fun over time.
By the way, feel free to add new ideas for the triggers. I'm always open to suggestions.

I was also thinking another requirement would be that the player needs to have a good relation with the Abbasid Caliphate given the fact that Saladin restored Egypt back in allegiance or suzerainty to the Abbasid Caliphate in Baghdad in 1171.

Just a historian suggestion .

[Lifthrasir]

Actually, this is not the case. It is more relating to Zengids and even to the Seljuks than to the Abbasids.

[Gercog]

Personally I do not see any problems with diplomats...
so what do you think about dynasties? I think so mod will more justified its name "Historical Improvement Project"

[Pyres Δt Varanasi]

Actually, this is not the case. It is more relating to Zengids and even to the Seljuks than to the Abbasids.

But I mean as in Caliphate (Religious way) not in political aspect just like how the Ottoman Caliphate had the respect at least in a religious form by other states of the Middle East because they recognize the House of Osman as the Caliph's. Of course Saladin was of Kurdish family with close relations with the Zengids (that were related to the Seljuks), he himself took power after his master Nûr-ad-Din died in 1174 (he had already been in power in Egypt since 1171) and establish himself as ruler of Damascus after defeating the Zengids in 1176 and removing As-Salih Ismail al-Malik of power that year.

I have my Bachelor's in History and I'm making my Master's as we speak sorry if I was not clear in how expressed what I said.

[BuTAJIuK]

Sorry for asking a leading question?
You said that they will release this week 0.8.3 . Might not exactly.