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    A topic which, at least from the outset, has little to do with the supposed existence/nonexistence of divine beings.
    I was wondering how folks around these parts feel about prostitution. Is it a sin (this is the EMM after all)? Should it be legal or illegal? Are the customers pigs, rapists or whatever else they have been called over the years, or is it simply an exchange of money for goods and services in accordance with solid capitalist principles of supply and demand? Do everyone have a right to sex as long as you have enough money of course? Does it serve useful social purposes whose benefits outweigh any possible negatives? Or do the negatives outweigh possible positives?
    As pretty much always in the EMM, the answers are many and the "right" answers practically nonexistant. So bring yours and hopefully we can get a good discussion going.

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    It certainly isn't great that young women have to sell their body due to financial problems and most don't do it voluntarily.
    I think the negatives outweighs the positives (if there are any?) massively, however a prohibition in one fell swoop is not advisable either because it will only drive the business into illegality and make it more hazardous. A socio-economic environment in which there is no need for prostitution is preferable, i.e. a environment with good job alternatives and where people can get a partner with consent, but that is probably an utopia


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayer View Post
    It certainly isn't great that young women have to sell their body due to financial problems and most don't do it voluntarily.
    I think the negatives outweighs the positives (if there are any?) massively, however a prohibition in one fell swoop is not advisable either because it will only drive the business into illegality and make it more hazardous. A socio-economic environment in which there is no need for prostitution is preferable, i.e. a environment with good job alternatives and where people can get a partner with consent, but that is probably an utopia
    This + science agrees with religion on the dangers of Prostitution, of course it's a sin, and it should be like that forever.

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    I've always regarded adult prostitution - where consensual and not forced by a pimp - as something which should be legalised. That it is not is primarily for religious reason. I find the feminist charge to outlaw it hard to fathom, given it is about a woman's right to control her own (or a man his own in the case of male prostitution) body. Interestingly in my country the trustees of a supposed feminist anti prostitution lobby are Catholic religious orders, and the government some years ago gave them €400,000 in grants despite the fact that these same religious orders used to run the Magdalene Launderies where in olden times women seen as as embarrassment to their families e.g. promiscuous, pregnant out of wedlock, prostitutes etc. used to be locked up sometimes for their whole lives. The launderies were run by nuns. The film "The Magdalene Sisters" explores their plight, Technically it wasn't supposed to be a life sentence. In practice we now know when they tried to run away the police used to drag them back. It's ironic that such people can preach that their crusade is about women's rights when they refuse to compensate their victims.

    Pimping and streetwalking are problems. Regulation of brothels would take sex workers off the streets and reduce the spread of STDs. In German it has raised of billions for the government through taxation.
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    It's a terrible job, like most of jobs these days, though some may like it if they do enjoy having sex and making money at the time and their customers happen to be nice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visna View Post
    Do everyone have a right to sex as long as you have enough money of course?
    If you have enough money, many would come to offer free sex for you, even marriage. Most of prostitution customers are just poor or average joes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visna View Post
    Does it serve useful social purposes whose benefits outweigh any possible negatives? Or do the negatives outweigh possible positives?
    As pretty much always in the EMM, the answers are many and the "right" answers practically nonexistant. So bring yours and hopefully we can get a good discussion going.
    There are negatives only because some governments refuse to accept it as a legal job and offer the necessary protection for the workers and customers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayer View Post
    A socio-economic environment in which there is no need for prostitution is preferable, i.e. a environment with good job alternatives and where people can get a partner with consent, but that is probably an utopia
    You don't go there for finding partner or love, you go for sex. It's more like porn.

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    Prostitution should not be illegal. Legalised, it becomes safer for those it employs since they can be protected more easily by the state from abuse. However, it must be made sure that those entering prostitution are doing so by choice rather than out of poverty. People should never "fall into" prostitution.

    That said, I would not want one of my relatives to take up prostitution, even by choice. Ultimately it satisfies base pleasures and there are far more productive things people can do with their lives.

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    We're all whores, the only thing to be debated is the price and if there is a customer base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Time Commander Bob View Post
    That said, I would not want one of my relatives to take up prostitution, even by choice. Ultimately it satisfies base pleasures and there are far more productive things people can do with their lives.
    Such as?

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    Legalize it, but have regular testing and a database.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visna View Post
    Is it a sin (this is the EMM after all)?
    No.
    Quote Originally Posted by Visna View Post
    Should it be legal or illegal?
    Why should the most simplest and oldest professions be illegal?
    Quote Originally Posted by Visna View Post
    Are the customers pigs, rapists or whatever else they have been called over the years, or is it simply an exchange of money for goods and services in accordance with solid capitalist principles of supply and demand?
    It's a simple business transaction where a woman is willing to give you warmth between her legs for a price. Whether the customer is a pig or not doesn't really matters, he may be a pig if he's cheating on his wife etc but that's not prostitute's problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by Visna View Post
    Do everyone have a right to sex as long as you have enough money of course?
    Money is not everything, as sometimes men think just because they can afford a prostitute they can do whatever the they want with her. Which is wrong and thus having a full pocket to buy something doesn't mean you have a "right" on something. It always depends whether the seller is willing to give it to you or not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Visna View Post
    Does it serve useful social purposes whose benefits outweigh any possible negatives? Or do the negatives outweigh possible positives?
    I think it's overall positive. Like banning alcohol didn't result in anything positive for the society, people still got drunk and used to bypass laws. Similarly those men who want to by paying someone will always finds the means to do it, since there will always be women willing to get ed for money. So it's better to supervise the whole thing and legalize it. By legalization one can also have some control over STDs by regular testing of customers and track record of their behaviour with prostitutes.

    Prostitution also has a lot of dark side, so it also might help where certain women are abducted and forced into prostitution. Forcing these illegal rings to either go legit or get completely destroyed by law enforcement.

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    Anyone who pushes for outlawing prostitution here, ask yourself honestly if you consume porn? Because pornography is filming people that are paid to have sex, so it's basically peeping at prostitution for enjoyment and fueling the field.

    Consuming porn and prostitution are close cousins. Of course porn makes too much money to illegalize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    We're all whores, the only thing to be debated is the price and if there is a customer base.
    so true, you gent are very clever and very straight

    few points to enforce the legalization of prostitution:

    - forbidding is ALWAYS bad, only gives shelter to criminality and good soil for other connected illegal activities, while regulating gives the people a choice.
    - forbidding does not prevent it from happening, NEVER; if something has a bad outcome is up to us to find a way to make it better, sweeping it under the carpet won't better it.
    - prostitution has little to do with economical conditions, actually there are much more prostitutes in richer countries and anyway I don't see why selling your body would be worse than shoveling or composing dead bodies; it's up to us to decide what to do with our life
    - if we want to prevent abuses, violence and such similar things, we have to put it under the sun
    - sin .. what is a sin ?
    - as Phier said, we sell ourselves every day, to almost everybody around us under many different ways; someone is just good at sex and similar stuff, why he / she should be considered a criminal? Sex is one of the basic needs of each of us (though it can be suppressed none the less, even if I doubt it is really suppressed, does it not tell you anything the "just hinted" scandal about pedophilia of priests?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ishan View Post
    Whether the customer is a pig or not doesn't really matters, he may be a pig if he's cheating on his wife etc but that's not prostitute's problem.

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    It always depends whether the seller is willing to give it to you or not.
    pretty sums up everything I think, I can only second this
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    Quote Originally Posted by AqD View Post
    Such as?
    Anything that leads to self-improvement or the improvement of society. Prostitution is largely about satisfying the short term desire of the next client rather than making any long term achievement, goal or progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Time Commander Bob View Post
    The entertainment, food, etc industry is largely about satisfying the short term desire of the consumer rather than making any long term achievement, goal or progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visna View Post
    Is it a sin?
    I thought that is depending on what Bible said?
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    Should be legal and thus we can do better at eliminating vile things like pimps. In any case in any state where you legally watch porn - that is essentially pay to have consenting adults to have sex so you can watch - why you cannot also just simply also pay consenting adults to have sex with you is illogical...

    But more broadly you sell yourself and your talents everyday you go to a job so what wrong if you sell sex as long as it your own choice.
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    The overall issue is that in theory two adults can consent to a lot of stuff including only "doing it" for money with each other, however the reality is that this profession is heavily abused by organized crime, does not treat women as persons providing a service but as an object you are allowed to abuse for selfish gratification for money and it overall implies a bad social status for those pursueing it.

    It's more the history and environment and how it works in reality than the theory of how it should work in a modern society. Based on the later, you are lonely, you have some fantasies you want to get fulfilled, someone offers to pretend to give you this, everyone is happy. In reality it usually sucks and is really nasty and mostly awkward for everyone involved.
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    the big winners of ilegalization are loose girls who sleep with everyone and get a larger sex base, and the porno industry that get more people needing release that turns to their products.

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    Considering that the vast number of women try to use sex to their advantage and get certain benefits or money, I don`t see why prostitution should be viewed as a sin or as something wrong.They are at least honest.

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