About the Legionaries and 0.9

[Selea]

I want to inform all of you about a thing that will almost surely happen in the future because I then don't want people to start a thread every day about it. So it is good you know it now and you adapt to it, because, as I said, if not now it will surely happen when upgrades will finally work:

It is highly probable that for 0.9 the Legionaries will be reverted as they were before the addition of the Legions (so with "uniform" looks, albeit I will add more variations to the meshes so that an unit will have more diversified look).

I'm sorry people but the trouble wasn't really worth it:

A) The textures add more than 300 mb to the mod.
B) No many people either notice that the Legionaries are different from when the numbered icons and standards are gone.
C) The scripts are slowed down because a lot of more units are to check, both for the reforms and army caps
D) If upgrades will finally work they will never work correctly with many different Legionary units because the game engine is not meant for something like that.
E) With the new auxilia by Don Diego the Legions pale in comparison

Given this, it is not worth it. Sincerely from whence I removed the numbered Legions the vast majority of users cannot either understand that there are different Legions in the game at all (and it was even worse when there were standard shields for them, as it should be btw) and all the trouble having those Legions comport for almost no benefit whatsoever at this point it is simply not more worth it.

So it is much likely that Legionaries will return to the "standard" as they were before the Legions in 0.9; surely this will happen if the upgrades will finally work. So prepare for it and please, I ask you, don't complain about it but try to understand why it was not worth it (if I would have known all of this in anticipation I would have never have made that addition to begin with; I think it has been one of the worst ideas we ever had, all in all).

[Cambion]

Actually I quite like that. I found it a little bit annoying to have different legions and I said so a while back.
But I can see you're a little bumped out about that and that's not to my liking. Sorry for all the effort you put in.
Rest assured this mod and your work is monumentally appreciated.

[Scarrus]

Whaaaaat? There are different Legions now?



But seriously, if there's not that much difference between them, it does not warrant having thousands of different units that are basically a single one.
Bring on 0.9!

[Selea]

Actually I quite like that. I found it a little bit annoying to have different legions and I said so a while back.
But I can see you're a little bumped out about that and that's not to my liking. Sorry for all the effort you put in.
Rest assured this mod and your work is monumentally appreciated.

I'm not "bumped" about it, it is just that having known all of this in anticipation I would have never added them to begin with.

I didn't thought that they could cause problems because a stack is sort of a Legion while single units are parts of that Legion and so the numbered units could cause a lot of problems. Given this, the other changes are simply not worth it given all the drawbacks they comport.

[Nochyan]

Selea, off topic, but what plans do you have for the romans in 1.0?

[Selea]

Selea, off topic, but what plans do you have for the romans in 1.0?

In what sense?

Romans will receive full reworked auxilia in 0.9, they are already reskinned and with good textures plus all the reforms etc. and all in all they are vastly done. There are many other factions that require much more pressing work, as the Thracians or Parthians or Africans etc. etc.

[AWombat]

That's a shame. Does this mean also discarding the submod? Many people don't notice because most don't build legion barracks in every province, food and squalor are too much of a bother to do it; but that's an entirely different issue.

[skysyk]

I have to say, i like that change ^^

[SD_Man]

Will there at least be Legionary variation by soldier "type"? E.g. Armoured Legionaries from the East, Light from the South (Winter Soldiers by the North?), just to name a few.

[Nochyan]

Selea, my mistake, I believe I read a while back you guys had something planned for the romans in 1.0

[RandomRoman]

[JFC]

Selea,

The way I have it at the moment is having all of the legions available in every region. (It isn't actually that bad looking through the numbered unit recruitment list finding the respective unit for your legion.)
I note that from the various tables, the legions are named. Will this change and will this be broken?

[Selea]

Selea,

The way I have it at the moment is having all of the legions available in every region. (It isn't actually that bad looking through the numbered unit recruitment list finding the respective unit for your legion.)
I note that from the various tables, the legions are named. Will this change and will this be broken?

Too cluttered recruitment panel. You have to consider that AOR units will be added, then many auxilia.

Cycling through three rows of units to find the one you like to recruit I would prefer to avoid sincerely.

[tommyz89]

I totally agree with your decision, Selea. Good job as usual.. May I ask you when you think the 0.9 could be release? Really not my intention to "put pressure", just to have an idea, since i'm waiting that release to start the Roman campaign (Imho the "best" one to fully enjoy the game and the mod).
Thanks!

[Zonac]

I agree with A,C,D and E but with B .... :-) I can only speak for myself but I recognised it. But still your decision sounds reasonable. It is a shame that you had all that argueing for nothing though. But please do not delete the textures. maybe they can be usefull in the future somehow.

[est Dudus]

I see your point from a modding and game play aspect, makes sense (I will miss the different legions though, I like it). One of the post brought up a good Idea Selea.....why not just have 4 different or maybe 5 different---Italy, The North, Africa, Iberia, and the East for example......Just a thought.....that would be really cool and doesn't seem to be a lot of extra units and would add the diversity we Rome players are looking for...Just a thought, from a longtime fan.

[Don_Diego]

I see your point from a modding and game play aspect, makes sense (I will miss the different legions though, I like it). One of the post brought up a good Idea Selea.....why not just have 4 different or maybe 5 different---Italy, The North, Africa, Iberia, and the East for example......Just a thought.....that would be really cool and doesn't seem to be a lot of extra units and would add the diversity we Rome players are looking for...Just a thought, from a longtime fan.

Personally I agree along these lines, get a nice balance between simplicity and role-playing. I would like to see at least 5 varieties available in broad areas of the map (cold weather 'Northern Legions', Iberian, African, Basic Italian and more exotic Eastern Legions.

Caesar commented on how the 2nd legion had become heavily 'Hispanicized' and considered themsleves 'Hispanicus'...

Or a general Mediterranean (Western) legion, Cold northern, and Eastern...

[est Dudus]

Personally I agree along these lines, get a nice balance between simplicity and role-playing. I would like to see at least 5 varieties available in broad areas of the map (cold weather 'Northern Legions', Iberian, African, Basic Italian and more exotic Eastern Legions.

Caesar commented on how the 2nd legion had become heavily 'Hispanicized' and considered themsleves 'Hispanicus'...

Or a general Mediterranean (Western) legion, Cold northern, and Eastern...

Yeah, sounds like a good idea----but then again I don't know if this would create problems. Mr Selea, they man with a plan, care to set me straight? lol

It's only 4-5 different legion units....but then again, could be a lot of work.

[adambomb1]

I agree with Selea, What ever his decision is. That's the LAW. LOL

[est Dudus]

I agree with Selea, What ever his decision is. That's the LAW. LOL

Oh adambomb1 you suck up! lol Just messing with ya bud.