How to bring an external model into Rome 2 Part 1: Set Up and Helmet.

**Andromachos** · January 19, 2015, 09:06 AM

Ltd... thanks. I will try this. I had taken a break from the modeling as I wasnt getting anywhere with it. I will try this. For the level file... what tga would I use? The hellenistic thracian I was using has only gloss diffuse normal and spec. Again thank you!!!

**warman222** · January 19, 2015, 09:43 AM

The vanilla helm is referring to what happens when you combine gloss and level files through BOB: gloss_MAP. Gloss is different from gloss map.

**Andromachos** · January 19, 2015, 10:06 AM

So, if I understand correctly. Is the level file still required within the 3dsmax materials? If so, in the case of the hellenic thracian, where is this file? I have not been able to locate it in the packs. But I will look again. Or is this a file I need to create? Thanks

**Vikus van de Merwe** · January 19, 2015, 02:40 PM

Hi again, Andromachos!

This is a short to answer question. You will never find a vanilla "level.tga / .dds" texture because when converting textures into the useable format (.dds), gloss and level are be merged to ...gloss_map.

So you can attach any texture for the level-slot with "level" at the ending. In the working data folder you can use the vanilla gloss_map then as long as you use the same name like defined in 3ds Max.

**Andromachos** · January 19, 2015, 02:52 PM

Thank you Vikus for explaining that. I think and hope that is what I have been missing. I will try this again tonight after work!!! I had not been entering any kind of file in the level slot and I think thats why the converter kept bombing out.

**Mr.Jox** · January 19, 2015, 11:05 PM

Open gloss_map.dds, go to channels, red channel is gloss.tga, green channel is level.tga
Copy channel you need and create new file and save as level/gloss.tga then you can use it in 3d max.
I wrote this: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...me2&highlight=
So if you read it you may understand how textures work and you can convert textures from raw to working data and back again without using BOB.

**Andromachos** · January 25, 2015, 07:08 PM

All, I just wanted to say I was able to get it converted finally!!! Thanks for your help!!

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So now I can make changes to vanilla models and start bringing in some of my own models.

Thanks again for the help!!

**Mr.Jox** · January 25, 2015, 11:01 PM

check also this tutorial: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ches-and-dents
it will help to understand how to add damage, dirt and dynamic effect to your helmet

**Cpt. Cortes** · January 26, 2015, 03:50 AM

Hi, i have a problem, in the final step, i can continue from here, there you have two screenshot

My model (following your tutorial)
http://i.imgur.com/g5RijJM.png

And here, i think, is where i stopped
http://i.imgur.com/rRdqZnt.png

I dont know how continue, i try to follow the tutorial but, doesnt work, the BOB cant covnert the CS2 model (diffuse, gloss... all rights)

Im using the same tools, 3ds max 2013 64 bits. Thanks for any help, and of course for the awesome tutorial!

**Mr.Jox** · January 26, 2015, 09:36 AM

Check if inside your folder you have a file rules.bob (copied for man/helmet/ folder with no changes). Also check if your model in skin modifier assigned to bn_head. Check your rigid material. afaik if you use weighted rigid material you need only 5 basic textures, if you use smth else then you'll need more textures. In any case tell us what error you have in bob.

**Cpt. Cortes** · January 26, 2015, 09:43 AM

The error tell:

Cs2 / Convert cas2 (variantmeshes/variantmodels/man/helmets/gondor_helmet.cs2) ===
Texture folder: variantmeshes/_variantmodels/man/helmets/tex
ERROR: Mesh 'object008' doesn't contain a correct '_lod' post-fix.
Failed.

Its the only that say. I check and yes, i assigned to bn_head, and i have the rules.bob file. Thanks for your time and answer

**warman222** · January 26, 2015, 09:49 AM

You have to add "_lod1" to the end of the model's name. I hope that helps.

**Cpt. Cortes** · January 26, 2015, 10:01 AM

I try add ''_lod1'' to the model, changing the number, even add to the meshes (diffuse, normal..) but the problem its the same.

**Vikus van de Merwe** · January 26, 2015, 10:44 AM

Do you think it's really the same error?

If you name your model something like model_example_lod1 (try also to copy the model three times and add ...lod2, ...lod3 and ...lod4 to it) there really shouldn't be this error. The only possible reason could be that your file contains another object without this suffix then.

**warman222** · January 26, 2015, 10:50 AM

To clarify, I'm not saying to name the cs2 file with that "_lod1" thing but the models inside Max with that.

**Cpt. Cortes** · January 26, 2015, 11:12 AM

I tried both ideas, but nothing, still the same error.

In 3D max there is only one objet, the helmet, nothing more.

**Mr.Jox** · January 26, 2015, 11:50 AM

As people say in 3d max in your .max file do these:
- Press unhide all;
- Delete useless models if there are;
- Check if you max file has only model and nothing else;
- Check if your object is assigned to bn_head;
- Check if your model has "_lod1" postfix;
- Check if material assigned to the model has ca_shader.fx and all settings made correct;
- Textures must be in the same folder as your .CS2 file within /tex/ folder;
- Be sure your rigid_material is correct (weighted/dirtmap/anything else). Just copy rigid_material from /man/helmet/roman_cav_helmet.max;
- Export as .CS2;
- Check if you have rules.bob file in same fodler where your .CS2 is;
- Convert .CS2 with BOB (be sure you are converting the right file).

**Cpt. Cortes** · January 27, 2015, 04:08 AM

Okay, was the material, for some reason, the material from roman_cav_helmet was corrupted, i reinstall Assembly Kit, used the new one and works fine, here is the result

http://i.imgur.com/FBgYwqu.png

So much thanks!!! Im going to try the rest of the armour, weapons... Thanks again!!

**Karnil Vark Khaitan** · February 23, 2015, 12:49 PM

Hey are there any CS2 file with weapons? and yes I am new to this, using 2015 version.

Or what should I do?
and the plugin refuse to load, must be because I use 2015 and not 2013....
working on this:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...9#post14379659

Now I use 2013, I mean wow nothing is backward capability or what ever.

Ohh well up and running with 2013 all the plugins works, tried to follow the guide as best as I could, and get this error in BOB
there are a lot more points made in the Bug report, but that part just stands out, I have removed the old model, but it says the next 3 lods are still there, how do I remove them?
ERROR!! lorica_squamata_lod2 Subobject 1 does not have all the required textures : diffuse_colour, gloss, normal!
EDIT: found out they was still hidden the program does a poor job telling you.
Current Bug report.

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I want to bind it to the spine nodes instead of shoulders.

**Man of West Gondor** · March 05, 2015, 07:18 PM

I forgot how do you export Weapons from 3ds Max to CS2 so it can work in BOB? BOB keeps saying the swords are in Error. I deleted the Old Model helmet model, got rid of the weighted rigid material. But it is coming up with this.

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