[Request]Submod with both Carthage and Nova Carthago (Carthagena)

**Maetharin** · March 03, 2014, 09:34 AM

Since i started to play DeI, i noticed how Carthage has changed into a powerhouse, with a vast amount of armies and fleets, similar in size to the Ptolemaics or the Seleucids, but they somehow always manage to misuse their potential, or simply put, they always send their armies and fleets around the mediterranean, between their two "war-hotspots", sicily and spain...

That´s something i find incredibly sad, since when i play as rome, i want to have an adversary to match or outmatch my own strength

So my Solution? Easy as pie I thought, maybe i could readd Nova Carthago, with them in control over every Carthaginian territory in Spain and the Baleares, so Carthage would be free to act around Sicily, Sardinia and Corsica, maybe even harrass the Italian Coast? Didn´t the Barcids operate in practical independence far from their home, with Carthage only nominally in control?

Well i tried, and i failed...
But i thought, maybe someone of you Gentlemen, with considerably more talent in modding than I, could take on this wish of mine!

**loukylouk** · March 03, 2014, 02:59 PM

Do you have the no force march sub-mod? I feel like that really helps Carthage. I rarely see them cruising around in their transports. And by the time I end up going to war with them its a real struggle for me. Especially if they are freed up from wars in Spain.

**Maetharin** · March 03, 2014, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by loukylouk

Do you have the no force march sub-mod? I feel like that really helps Carthage. I rarely see them cruising around in their transports. And by the time I end up going to war with them its a real struggle for me. Especially if they are freed up from wars in Spain.

Yes I use the No forced march! mod, but i still seem to get that problem, sometimes they even get completely driven out of spain and sicily, only for them to be a small little backwater surrounded by factions hostile to them...

And as i said, historically seen the barcids operated independently, so a client state of carthage, but still of decent size, so they can take care of themselves, would be perfect IMO.

Best regards!

**Black9** · March 03, 2014, 05:57 PM

I made my own startpos and tried it out in both DeI and vanilla to see if this would help them. Essentially, all it does is gives Carthage more armies to work with, instead of giving them two separate fronts.

Since they're a client state, any time one of them is declared upon, the other joins the war. So the amount of wars is the same, but with an extra 3 or so armies in Spain.

**Maetharin** · March 03, 2014, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Black9

I made my own startpos and tried it out in both DeI and vanilla to see if this would help them. Essentially, all it does is gives Carthage more armies to work with, instead of giving them two separate fronts.

Since they're a client state, any time one of them is declared upon, the other joins the war. So the amount of wars is the same, but with an extra 3 or so armies in Spain.

How far compatible with DeI is that startpos of yours? Could you upload it somewhere so i could test it out?

**Black9** · March 03, 2014, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Maetharin

How far compatible with DeI is that startpos of yours? Could you upload it somewhere so i could test it out?

Sure, here it is: http://www.mediafire.com/download/ii..._startpos.pack

It doesn't have the new meaningful resources, and I changed way more than just the Nova Carthago thing, but you can get an idea of what it looks like.

**Maetharin** · March 04, 2014, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by Black9

Sure, here it is: http://www.mediafire.com/download/ii..._startpos.pack

It doesn't have the new meaningful resources, and I changed way more than just the Nova Carthago thing, but you can get an idea of what it looks like.

Thanks i´ll look into it^^

**Maetharin** · March 04, 2014, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Black9

Sure, here it is: http://www.mediafire.com/download/ii..._startpos.pack

It doesn't have the new meaningful resources, and I changed way more than just the Nova Carthago thing, but you can get an idea of what it looks like.

Hm, doesnt work on my end here, is it still working on yours? If not could you apply the changes to the actual or impending Version? I´d take care of the unit recruitment, that´s not so complicated like Startpos editing^^

**Black9** · March 07, 2014, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by Maetharin

Hm, doesnt work on my end here, is it still working on yours? If not could you apply the changes to the actual or impending Version? I´d take care of the unit recruitment, that´s not so complicated like Startpos editing^^

"Doesn't work" is kinda vague, it's just a startpos file. What's not working?