Archery ranges?

[AqD]

Can anyone who actually read LOTR books confirm this (Archer):

Elves... up to a quarter mile
Gondorian... accurate up to 200 yards
Rangers of Ithilien.... accuracy up to 200 yards
Rohirrim... having a range of only 125 yards
Haradrim... effective range was 300 yards
Easterlings... effective range was at 500 yards
Orcs... effective ranges included 50 and 100 yard

I modded my TATW archers according to this - elven archers become godlike and rhunnic archers could kill Mumakils before contact.

[Infidel144]

Uh... No. That is just made up.

[Ngugi]

A rule of thumb is to never trust info provided on LotR Wiki unless it's supported from credible sources both one and two times.

[Lortano]

I'd believe LotR information provided by Vladimir Putin over LotR Wiki. Seriously, the website makes some serious up. This is anyone who's read the Silmarillion reacting to it.



I should also note that the CGI here is better than the Hobbit....from a film more than a decade older....what the hell. But I digress, I don't want to get into a Hobbit debate here, as lame as it was.

[Feanaro Curufinwe]

Can anyone who actually read LOTR books confirm this (Archer):




I modded my TATW archers according to this - elven archers become godlike and rhunnic archers could kill Mumakils before contact.

Those are from LotR.wikia. Disregard them, erase the pages you looked at there from your browser history and from your memory as well.

Why? It is LotR.wikia and they pulled that stuff out of their asses.

[Greymane]

Can anyone who actually read LOTR books confirm this (Archer):

I modded my TATW archers according to this - elven archers become godlike and rhunnic archers could kill Mumakils before contact.

Easterlings at 500 yards?
What did they shoot with, cannons?

[Veteraan]

Easterlings at 500 yards?
What did they shoot with, cannons?

Well, it's rumored they even have flamethrowers!

[Feanaro Curufinwe]

Should someone debunk those numbers? Also, note the complete lack of citations.

[knight of meh]

500 yards is ridiculous ... the best English longbow could reach about 400 yards at best and i don't remember longbows in Rhun...

[k/t]

The longbows used by the English were not better than the longbows used by anyone else.

It is possible to shoot 400 m, but a lot of things from real life are not directly translatable into the game.

[knight of meh]

The longbows used by the English were not better than the longbows used by anyone else.

no but they carried on with them for longer and their method of training left some nice records so we have records from various periods that tell us how far arrows went ; how far you where required to be able to shoot for minimum practice and how long was the longest mark shot (345 yards)

[Greymane]

Well, it's rumored they even have flamethrowers!

In my alternative universe Illuvatar forcibly removed said flamethrowers by altering part of the Song known as campaign_script

[Ngugi]

OK, no further LotR Wiki nor more flamethrower or alike posts

[Lortano]

Then Shouldn't you close the friend as the question has been answered so this thread is pretty much obsolete, unless someone intends to turn this into a 'How much does LotR wiki suck' thread.

[AqD]

500 yards is ridiculous ... the best English longbow could reach about 400 yards at best and i don't remember longbows in Rhun...

I think they're supposed to use composite bows?

[Kolaris8472]

Huh, I knew there was a reason I instinctively went to Tolkien Gateway instead.

Also, Elves at 440 yards outranged by Easterlings

[Feanaro Curufinwe]

I think they're supposed to use composite bows?

It is from LotR.wikia. There is no evidence in the books that the Haradrim used composite bows. From what I've researched, the Mongol bows (Most plausible for the Steppe Nomad-inspired Easterlings) had a maximum range of 500 metres.

[knight of meh]

I think they're supposed to use composite bows?

i now the Mongolian bow is meant to go 600 yards but the extra arrow velocity and draw power just doesn't add up to me afaik

[Ngugi]

@ Lortano
That the original question is answered do not mean the topic is answered hehe


@ AqD
Ignoring modern bows, with which you can reach far over 1000 yards, both composit bows and longbows historically had, and this is the important part, an effective range of (additonally important) maximum 328 - 377 yard (300 - 345 meter; though that should be noted is rather an optimal and not the practical max range taking weather into account).
So while composit bows been reported to had a maximum range of up to [fairly confirmed], or around, 500 yards, due to sheer physics, with arrows losing velocity trough the air and thus lose important impact energy, somewhere past 200 yards the arrows will lost half of the impact energy, and the velocity dropping faster with each additional dozen of yards the projectile travel. *
Past the max effective range the arrows might reach an enemy but as mostly an annoyance, not a mortal threat.

It may be noted that longbows and 'mongol/manchurian composite bows' is expected to have lesser range than the 'turkic composite bows', but the latter in difference was not intended to use heavier armour piercing arrows which the former was intended for.


* Heavy arrows can increase their energy at the end, but that will equally need a more curved angle that reduce the range, and will otherwise have lost velocity earlier and would not reach as far, due to weight.

[AqD]

So how should I mod the archery ranges in TATW? I'm not content with the current setup, because there is little difference between human rangers and elves who have at least hundreds of years of training.