[HS] Ancient Conquest Grand Hotseat [--- ILLYRIA AVAILABLE ---updated 1st october ---]

[Vipman]

Really Loose, it's coming to this?

What does anything you said have anything to do with this clear autoresolve bug where the 2nd army isn't really participating in the battle?

I have no problem with a vote, but only you and Makakula are against until now, everyone else agreed directly or by not saying anything. But I do not accept you to order the hotseat to stop.

If you insist, or things like this keep happening, then I will leave all hotseats and probably TWC forever. I will not waste time in a place where I'm ordered around at someone's whim.

[themzr]

Sorry, not an acceptable excuse.

Can't declare it a bug without a vote of the players.

Now let's start properly, at the beginning. On Samar's turn the one in which he attacked the 2 Gaul armies parked in North Africa. He loaded his troops on ship #1, sailed it into the sea where it met another ship (#2) he then transferred his FL's army to the second ship and sailed that one to NA. Due to the miserable movement points in this mod he could not have attacked me any other way I knew this as soon as I saw the screenshots. This trick is due to a bugged game mechanic, too. But it seems I'm the only one who thinks it is so I took my beating like a man and kept my mouth shut.

His FL could only reach my first army. HE BROUGHT ANOTHER UNIT, ONE WITH 5 MEN IN IT OVER TO START THE SECOND BATTLE AGAINST THE SECOND ARMY He won but that one unit army was down to 3 men. Many mods and the vanilla game would have deleted that unit after the battle for having too few men in it. He had options after that including building a fort to save his FL. BUT HE DIDN'T THINK MAKAKULA COULD ATTACK HIM You lost, samar. TAKE IT LIKE A MAN

As a matter of fact until there is further discussion and a vote on whether this was the use of a bug, I'm forced to order a halt to this game so we can discuss and vote. (<Ithis guy)

And people ask what is wrong with GS these days? ^Completely forgetting the fact that Loose is DAYS late to this discussion anyway and the issue is resolved....

[Macrath]

Really Loose, it's coming to this?

What does anything you said have anything to do with this clear autoresolve bug where the 2nd army isn't really participating in the battle?

I have no problem with a vote, but only you and Makakula are against until now, everyone else agreed directly or by not saying anything. But I do not accept you to order the hotseat to stop.

If you insist, or things like this keep happening, then I will leave all hotseats and probably TWC forever. I will not waste time in a place where I'm ordered around at someone's whim.

Well said. I am of the same opinion.

[Samar]

Loose, I could attack you in a thousand ways I could attack both of your armies at once and still win easily (with my whole army). And I didn't start whining or something after what makakula did, I just asked if this was considered a bug or not. I didn't even care much, I would defeat him anyway.

[Nonorios]

Lydia is up! save sent by pm.

Btw I think that this simple situation has been made complicated by the amount of discussion it has sparked.
The question is simple: Do we want to play a game were diplomacy and long term strategy define the winner,
or we want to play a game where players get severely punished for details like what Syracuse did.

I believe that the first option leads to higher quality gameplay overtime,
while the second provides short-lasting thrills from such victories, that ultimately however lead to a more casual game play

In a case like this I believe that good manners impose that the enemy be spared,
since they have erred on a matter regarding game mechanics and not strategic thought.

[Fernandez_1492]

how bout samar go back in and disband the 3 units, pass the turn and then have maka fight the stack. if he defeats smars stack, then it retreats to the ship and still get sunk.

[Mithridate]

I thought I'd log in and leave an update, anyone checking my activity: I will play asap, I will try to do so today after sleep but at the very latest I will spend Tuesday playing if I have to as that day I should have to spend freely^^

Now, let me give my piece:

1, a decimated unit makes it far easier to defeat a stack. Brokenly so, I tried winning with half a stack several times and got only defeats so it may not have been at all as bad as I think. Perhaps not a bugg, perhaps just a weakness in the engine - perhaps nothing. It is up to the admin or possibly a majority imo, both supported the action afaik.

2, Carthage can defeat that army directly, I did so but I chose to lift the siege instead. It's just that I will take losses if I do as a regular battle, losses should be taken in this simple strategy simulator of ours.

Really Loose, it's coming to this?

What does anything you said have anything to do with this clear autoresolve bug where the 2nd army isn't really participating in the battle?

I also want to know this, if moving via ships to move further whilst being careful not to merge and thus gain free movement via bug then my turn is illegal. I do not understand what you mean, everyone knows you move further via ship than by land.

A weakness of the engine sure to move from a depleted ship to a fresh one, but a necessary and unavoidable one as this is turn based after all.

If you insist, or things like this keep happening, then I will leave all hotseats and probably TWC forever. I will not waste time in a place where I'm ordered around at someone's whim.

I... I agree yet not, I need sleep to think. Loose thinks Maluka is being unfairly treated I think and thus step in as is his duty, to guide and protect. Though, Loose - you are involved in this and may not see clearly here much as I do think you intend well.

We are quite a few veteran players in agreement here and I think it pretty clear it is not as you seem to think. This is an exploit of a bug and illegal, enough said on that and a word of caution:

Invoking authority where people perceive you to not have it or want it, or when you actually do have none and cannot enforce your command, is likely to make you either a fool or a tyrant. Don't be either.
I am willing to return Carthage to Maluka if that is whatever decision is reached here.

[ultimateteam6]

Shall I proceed by playing the turn or will it go back again?

[ultimateteam6]

Since no one protested, Egypt is up

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mfs8n8kgh6...%2032.sav?dl=0

[tavix]

Gaul next
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lcw7uxtb32...ul_32.sav?dl=0

[Loose Cannon]

Loose, I could attack you in a thousand ways I could attack both of your armies at once and still win easily (with my whole army).

Right, so why didn't you?

Anyway, I don't have any more time for this so I've asked my two known allies if either could sub and have sent the password on.

[Dr Mac]

Bump

[english RAF commander]

Bump

I have got file but I need more info from him on what to do and of course he can't check notifications till he's back I suppose, should I just play his turn anyway?

[Dr Mac]

I have got file but I need more info from him on what to do and of course he can't check notifications till he's back I suppose, should I just play his turn anyway?

I would say await everybody else, but it's gone on for around 5 days so out of desperation yes please!

[english RAF commander]

I would say await everybody else, but it's gone on for around 5 days so out of desperation yes please!

nothing exiting happend

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vdvyqp397o...ia_32.sav?dl=0

[english RAF commander]

Syria up

[Macrath]

Cilicia up
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6U...ew?usp=sharing

[DontTreadOnMe777]

Hellenic League up!

http://www.mediafire.com/download/4m...cLeague_33.sav

[Dr Mac]

Syracuse up. Egypt, yet again meets the wroth of the Hellenic Navy.

[Samar]

While the tide of invaders seems endless, one after the other the barbarian armies and fleets are shoved back. Macedonia is Up !