Are people too scared to speak out against Muslims?

[Earl Dibbles Jr]

In my honest opinion, yes. You get branded as an "islamaphobe" if you say anything negative about them. Despite the fact that they are sexist and overall a backward religion, many people seem to just ignore them. The media prefers to rip on Christians because they know that they won't fight back.

Here's someone that sums it up nicely - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCXHPKhRCVg

What do you guys think?

P.S. I'm an atheist, I don't have any religious agenda.

[LaMuerte]

Despite the fact that they are sexist and overall a backward religion

You don't know a lot of muslims personally , do you? Because what you are writing so contradicts my personal experience with muslims. Most of them are 'normal' people , you know. Oh , and I'm an atheist as well.

[Vanoi]

I think the problem is you are applying the actions of a few to the whole of the religion.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

Atheist here, and while I do not agree with Islam and its teachings, I only "speak out" against Muslims when I hear a Muslim say something worth speaking out against.


Right now my doctor doesn't seem to want to preach anything to me aside good health.

[LaMuerte]

I think the problem is you are applying the actions of a few to the whole of the religion.

I agree. It seems that the man in the video has the same problem.

[Heathen Hammer]

IMO most "moderate" Christians, Muslims and Jews just do not know much about their religion, to them it is a rather cultural thing. If you read monotheistic religions' scriptures (Bible, Quran, Torah, etc) you can see that they are, in fact, backwards.

[Condottiere 40K]

Having met enough of them, a lot of them tend to feel entitled, and yet insecure at the same time; so the dichotomy exists between belonging to the one true religion and being rather sensitive to any criticism of it.

[Gaidin]

In my honest opinion, yes. You get branded as an "islamaphobe" if you say anything negative about them. Despite the fact that they are sexist and overall a backward religion, many people seem to just ignore them. The media prefers to rip on Christians because they know that they won't fight back.

Here's someone that sums it up nicely - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCXHPKhRCVg

What do you guys think?

P.S. I'm an atheist, I don't have any religious agenda.

You can be an atheist and still have a religious agenda.

By the way, that entire post was a hilarious composition fallacy.

[Love Mountain]

I think the problem is you are applying the actions of a few to the whole of the religion.

That "few" is a rather significant number.

Either way this problem of "sexism and backwardness" is not isolated to Islam. It's just about everywhere in the developing world. Northern parts of India for example.

[Simon Cashmere]

Abso-fricking lutely. The most scared people are also some of the most powerful people, politicians. There are two things at work, scared of ever criticising muslims for doing anything lest they be called racist, and scared for criticising any abhorrent practice of Islam for being culturally insensitive.

Once upon a time we had the balls to name the problematic ideologies that inspired wars, like communism and nazism. Today, we don't have the balls to say that Islam and Islamic jurisprudence inspires wars, militarism, dictatorial behaviour, ill treatment of non-muslims. In almost every single country where muslims have power, there are repeated raids on christians and christian churches with the authorities looking the other way. This entrenched hatred of others, ie non muslims is something that is replete throughout Islam - it's absolute intolerance and hatred for anyone of difference is a very dangerous ideology. More dangerous than both Communism and Nazism, because neither of them can hide behind the cloak of freedom of religion.

The West will need to learn a very hard lesson about Islam, and I assume it will be learnt the hard way - when a nuclear device is detonated on a ship off the coast of a major Western city. But even then - there will still be the usual revisionist PR campaign about 'tiny minority of misunderstanders' etc. We have painted ourselves into a theoretical corner, by identifying the enemy through not what they believe - but what they do. But what is their ideology? it's Islam. The spectrum of adherence to Islam does not change what Islam is, nor can it be evidence for saying Islam is something different. Islam requires everyone to fight and slay the unbeliever until Islamic government is installed throughout the world, and terror is just a means of doing that. In some ways the terrorists are the least dangerous as you can see what they do. The most dangerous are the stealth jihadists who work quietly to undermine our systems from within to get as much sharia into western society as possible in the name of tolerance and human rights (when Islam and Islamic doctrine is antithetical to all human rights concepts and is the most absurd and unjust method of dealing with anyone). But it's an argument that no one wants to have, not right now anyway. People much prefer to believe the comforting lie that Islam is a Religion of Peace, no matter how ridiculous and counter intuitive that lie surely must be given the events of the last decade.

Pat Condell is awesome, and for many years, was a hard left trade unionist type - but realised that the left had abandoned common sense. I've spoken with ardent communists who agree, that the new modern western socialism, is sort of this 'excuse parade' ideology, that just creates the mantle of victimhood for anyone who is criticised, and prevents them from being so. True marxists should hate something as vile as political islam, but, the modern soft left wing people who don't even really knwo what their ideology is except they like big government and believe everyone needs more 'government services' straight away wheel out the cliches about 'dont tar everyone with the same brush,' 'one rottne apple doesnt spoil the bunch' and other meaningless motherhood statements, that are thought terminating cliches. The left trafficks in thought terminating cliches' it is as sophisticated as their ideology in modern times becomes. I am an ardent anti-marxist, I hate totalitarianism and marxism, but I accept that Marxism and Marx's works on economics were brilliant - modern day left wing idelogy, this cringeworthy apologism and self-hatred is just so embarrassing, but people wear it like a badge. They don't even realise how bereft of reason what they believe is, and what's more, it is not open for discussion. It is the truth, just like a law of physics.

[PointOfViewGun]

They're not scared. You see people talking about it everyday. The problem is that when most do the subjects they raise are hilarious. They let hysterical stories take the lead and cloud over anyone that would be interested in actual criticism.

[Condottiere 40K]

I doubt that even Osama would have ever seriously considered authorizing a large scale WMD attack against a major Western city, because that would have been counter-productive; the point is to needle Western democracies to slowly escalate their oppression of the Islamic faithful and alienate enough Muslims to take up urban guerrilla jihad to disrupt their society and economy.

[DarthShizNit]

Where the do you live where people are too scared to talk about muslims?

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

Where the do you live where people are too scared to talk about muslims?

Saudi Arabia Syria Libya Qatar Iran Iraq would all be places I would keep quiet about Muslims.

[DarthShizNit]

Saudi Arabia Syria Libya Qatar Iran Iraq would all be places I would keep quiet about Muslims.

No, you just have to about certain kinds of Muslims.

[Heavy Weapons Guy]

Muslims are oppressed all through the world. People are scared to speak out against the Westerners, the ones who really bring terror to the world.

[Mary The Quene]

Muslims are oppressed all through the world

How?, in middle east most (almost all) have islam as official state religion and are the majority.

People are scared to speak out against the Westerners

Lol no there are muslims in my country who actively are spreading violence through 'streetdawah' and are not getting arrested because of freedom of speech.

the ones who really bring terror to the world.

sure when in syria they kill eachother, when in iran gays get executed when they bomb their own people

My friend i think you're a bit biased there and that's not good

[Roma_Victrix]

Pat Condell is awesome, and for many years, was a hard left trade unionist type - but realised that the left had abandoned common sense. I've spoken with ardent communists who agree, that the new modern western socialism, is sort of this 'excuse parade' ideology, that just creates the mantle of victimhood for anyone who is criticised, and prevents them from being so. True marxists should hate something as vile as political islam, but, the modern soft left wing people who don't even really knwo what their ideology is except they like big government and believe everyone needs more 'government services' straight away wheel out the cliches about 'dont tar everyone with the same brush,' 'one rottne apple doesnt spoil the bunch' and other meaningless motherhood statements, that are thought terminating cliches. The left trafficks in thought terminating cliches' it is as sophisticated as their ideology in modern times becomes. I am an ardent anti-marxist, I hate totalitarianism and marxism, but I accept that Marxism and Marx's works on economics were brilliant - modern day left wing idelogy, this cringeworthy apologism and self-hatred is just so embarrassing, but people wear it like a badge. They don't even realise how bereft of reason what they believe is, and what's more, it is not open for discussion. It is the truth, just like a law of physics.

I don't always agree with Pat Condell, but even he has the good sense in many of his videos to distinguish between your average secular-minded, liberal Muslim and the fanatical fundamental zealots that exist within the same religious community. So Aziz, the 40-year-old Muslim guy who watches football and sells coffee at the corner store in any given Western city, is to be lumped into the same category as a 20-year-old mujahadeen Taliban fighter in the northern tribal regions of Pakistan?

Here's the problem with painting everything with a broad brush stroke, including millions of families and strangers you don't know: it never consistently makes an accurate portrayal. For instance, I could make a broad sweeping statement like "all members of TWC are losers who live in their mom's basement." Now, that might be true for some, but for perhaps the MAJORITY that's not the case. If the majority of Muslims were blowing themselves up, I think we'd hear about it on the news.

[Heavy Weapons Guy]

No nation is run by the Shariah, that means there's not even a single Muslim state in the world, all states are run by hypocrites and Westerner puppets. And I'm talking about places like Palestine, Syria, Iraq, Caucasus, Burma, Kashmir, Egypt, Libya, Afghanistan etc. What do you have to say about the drone strikes, illegal invasions in Chechnya, Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq? The only reason why Muslims ''attack'' is because Westerners are invading their lands, killing their brothers and raping sisters.

Mention any crime they did in the video, mention a single one. And if you didn't know, calling person soldier, troop etc. doesn't mean that it's military thing. They are fighting against ignorance, that's what they do. Jihad is neither a military thing on half of the part. One is fighting on defensive, other is fighting against one's desires and such. Quran forbids forcing religion on others, so only peaceful way is acceptable. Non-Muslims in Muslim state have to pay jyzia, which indeed is smaller tax than people pay in the West.

Shias aren't Muslims, they are innovators, what takes them out of the fold of Islam. They have a separate religion, which has come from Islam. So your arguments about it totally shatter.

Also generalization of humans is a major sin in Islam.

But there's no need to discuss, we wont change each other's mind anyways, neither I have much time for this.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

You get killed for blasphemy in many places so yes in some places under sharia law people are afraid.Muslims have better rights in the UK than most places in the middle East. And things are more secure than Libya Syria Egypt etc just