God is a Narcissist

[Raubritter]

I wish that all of you ultra smart Atheist and modern Christans and Muslims try to see just once God not from a ideological/religious perspective, but from a psychological perspective.



We have here a character that basicly just knows two things: Punishment and Mercy.(Just like a pimp)

The God of the old Testament is a Narcissist. He basicly just wants to be worshipped all the time and if people don't worship him not enough he kills them. He kills children and sends his human worship livestock to whipe out other peoples. He play some sort of sick game with the old beduin Abraham who should sacrifice his son for him and is sick minded enough in the head himself to actual try to do it. People worship a golden calf?

The God of Islam, just existing in Mohammeds Head who is also just a beduin and basicly a bum, is also a narcissist. He is totaly the construct of the Narcissist Mohammed who had a life. In the first phases he is all nice and good and tells the Jews how special they are and how god has choosen them and as soon he, which means his Host Mohammed, had some military might he turned to be a total dick. Then it was all about revenge phantasies, as narcissists often do. First to be the seducer, then just the psychotic killer.

Both of these weird God characters from the old testament and the quoran are sick minded freaks. Their ideology is made for the worst sides of human character and the human mind, people often refer to religious fanatism also as group-narcissism.
And the most difficult part is to convey people who are not sick minded that they don't need this narcissistic construct in their life to be good people, that they are already better than Abraham and Mohammed and their sick minded schizophrenic construct in their head that they refer to as God.

[MaximiIian]

It's nothing new. The god of the Torah is referred to as a "jealous god"--he prizes the adoration of his followers because of his position as a creator deity. Christianity has had the laborious task of integrating the traditional text of the Torah into a different theological framework. You cannot forget that the Hebrew ethnic religion was originally a polytheistic one, and only gradually shifted through henotheism to monotheism. Oral tradition became written word around the same time as this last stage; however, certain older portions of oral mythology had implications of struggle between multiple feuding deities even thought the text solidified a monotheistic theology.

[removeduser_487563287433]

The God of the old Testament is a Narcissist. He basicly just wants to be worshipped all the time and if people don't worship him not enough he kills them.

That's not really narcissism.

the old beduin Abraham

Bedouins are a distinct group. Abraham wasn't one of them.

The God of Islam, just existing in Mohammeds Head who is also just a beduin

Again, he wasn't.

and basicly a bum,

Found the world's second largest religion and unite an entire people, setting the stage for some of the greatest and most powerful human civilisations in human history? Basically just a bum. God knows what achievements you have Raub to believe this.

[Elfdude]

While I agree with you that the god painted in the bible is certainly a narcissist and the one painted in the quran is capricious beyond all recognition, I can't say I follow your logic.

[Valden]

Raubritter do you actually have any evidence for any of this? You have no biblical or Qur'anic references/quotations. You don't refer to a single biblical scholar or historian, and the few facts you do offer seem to be incorrect. You don't tell us what you mean by "sick minded" (is this just a moral judgement on your behalf?), "schizophrenic" or "narcissistic" (are you using these terms figuratively or trying to argue that 'God' can be psychologically diagnosed?). You began this post claiming to be studying God from a "psychological perspective". It seems to me that the complete lack of context and content your post contains warrants it being more aptly labelled a "prejudiced perspective": even if what you are saying is true (which I think is at the very least problematic), you have provided no logical pathway to get there.

[Sar1n]

You want a quote to support this?

"I am Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me, and showing loving kindness to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments."

So...Abrahamic god does not need anything from humans, but demands to be worshipped under threat of rather excessive punishment.

[Valden]

You want a quote to support this?

*Quotation: "quote" is a verb. Also, your evidence does not match your claim:

"I am Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me, and showing loving kindness to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments."

So...Abrahamic god does not need anything from humans, but demands to be worshipped under threat of rather excessive punishment.

You have failed to support Raubritter's claim that God is "schizophrenic", "narcissistic" or "sick minded". This quotation establishes divine precedence over false idols and the concept of divine justice over morality, for it is indeed a grave affront to deny the maximally great being who created and maintains you in favour of worshipping, say, a wooden figure or gold. To deny God is to deny yourself of your own purpose, and thus to deny yourself salvation, so God's jealousy of these profane idols is really a mercy on you. Rather than sitting quietly by and letting the Israelites doom themselves, Yahweh is clear that worshipping things of the earth will lead to damnation. Within the logic of the Old Testament, Yahweh's jealousy thus fulfils a purpose: it demonstrates his commitment to encouraging humans to correct their behaviour. Historically, this may of course be contextualised within contemporary religious strife. The followers of Yahweh and of Ba'al had alternative theologies and ideas, and so religious leaders -wanting to centralise their authority, asserted the blasphemy of worshipping Ba'al. The jealousy of God may thus be the jealousy of the priesthood who controlled the written word. The difference between these views is that of Biblical errancy and inerrancy: either God said these things, or men said that God said these things. If God said these things the first explanation applies, if he didn't then the second applies. Regardless, the Old Testament is a catalogue of human crimes and is therefore one of our most valuable texts.

Beyond this I have barely scratched the surface of this quotation alone, which is still more than you or Raubritter have done combined. The worst things about these debates is the tendancy of both Christians, Jews, atheists, and whoever else has an axe to grind to read their ideology into the text. Biblical scholarship is a stringent academic discipline whose value is done no credit by these discussions.

[MaximiIian]

So...Abrahamic god does not need anything from humans, but demands to be worshipped under threat of rather excessive punishment.

No one ever said a god has to be good or nice.
Well, except those guys over there. With the crosses and the funny hats.
But I think it's a silly notion.

[PointOfViewGun]

This is nothing more than a sad attempt of the OP to vent out some irrational hatred. Nothing more. Just don't feed the trolling posts.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

What if God is the good guy and it is the guys writing the Holy books that are the ones making up false chapters in order to control the people.

[Aeneas Veneratio]

Bedouins are a distinct group. Abraham wasn't one of them.

I think he means that they were hermits.

[Raubritter]

Valden
Raubritter do you actually have any evidence for any of this? You have no biblical or Qur'anic references/quotations.

First you ask a question that implies i have nothing to back up my claims, then you already answer your own question in a negative way towards me.
People like Ali Sina wrote about the psychogram of Jesus and Mohammed, just based on the personalities described in the holy scriptures. Especialy about Mohammed there are mayn verses in the quoran who picture him not just a narcissist, but also paranoid and suffering from epilepsy. This sick and totaly screwd up man created a god in his head that was just the worst part of his own psyche. If you had read something from the Quoran itself, you would already know that. But instead you try to a attack a critic before you even read the book, knowing what you would defende here. Or is it about attacking me?

You have failed to support Raubritter's claim that God is "schizophrenic", "narcissistic" or "sick minded".

He doesn't need to. Even he brought a bible verse that makes no sense for a sane person, he doesn't need to backup all my claims. The old testament is full of examples where God is painted as a personality that just wants to be worshipped all day long and if not, he brings death and terror over people. This is the basic message. And we know that long before the bible psychotic leaders called themself kings and demanded to be worshipped as gods or sons of gods.

Biblical scholarship is a stringent academic discipline whose value is done no credit by these discussions.

Biblical scholarship is a BS Science because all of them view God from a religious perspektive, not from a psychological perspektive. Its a pseudo Science about questions of believe, not questions of logic.

tom cruise
What if God is the good guy and it is the guys writing the Holy books that are the ones making up false chapters in order to control the people.

There is no god, its a construct created by a human mind and as i try to point out, a very, very sick one.

Ferrets
Bedouins are a distinct group. Abraham wasn't one of them.

Okay than lets say normadic desert drifters if bedouins isn't ethnicly correct enough for you.

Found the world's second largest religion and unite an entire people, setting the stage for some of the greatest and most powerful human civilisations in human history? Basically just a bum. God knows what achievements you have Raub to believe this.

Okay here is one major headstone for the group narcissism in the islamic world, the glourious past. First of, founding a religion is nothing good or some sort of gain humanity enjoys. If the Nazis had one the secound world war, most likely national socialism had become a religion. Communism today is a religion and their followers are just as fanatic and cruel towards all non believers as you can be. And who is the Prophet of modern communism? Karl Marx, who lived of others and was a very pathological person.
And so on Islam hasn't set stage for anything innovative or modern. The muslim hordes took over the insolvency estate of other kingdoms in the region who were before the muslims took over very advanced. They themself burned down libraries and as soon they encounterd the greek philosophy of logic and reason, they even declared war on this. But an empire that just lives of plunder can not last and so the muslimic world fall behind western nations. And when you today listen to their Nashids, the glorious past always has an important role. All the time they blame the western nations and the crusaders and everyone else for their downfall, thinking when they just kill enough infidels they bring back a glorious past. At one point you are very hairsplitting about things but about others you don't know stuff but wanna flap your mouth around.

People are so ill educated about anything that they don't even know basic things about islam. They seriously think, that if they just play nice and be tolerant and so on, moslems will treat them this way as well. Total madness. Most of the conflicts with jewish tribes for example happend in the Quoran because Allah warned his prophet, that the jews are conspire against him. So he basicly made up a scenario in his head on which bases he declared war on other Tribes and whiped them out. How crazy is it to think that a religion, based on the paranoid hinds and make up claims of a madman, could be accepted? Would you live next door with someone who you know for, that he personaly worships a person who from one day to the next whiped out a neighbouring tribe, because the invisible man in his head told him so?

[sumskilz]

Especialy about Mohammed there are mayn verses in the quoran who picture him not just a narcissist, but also paranoid and suffering from epilepsy.

Not in the Quran, in the Hadith, but if he really had temporal lobe epilepsy then he was probably sincere in his beliefs because he likely really was hearing messages.

[Himster]

How could an all powerful being not be narcissistic? (says the guy doing a self-portrait as Narcissus, lol)

[Nesimî]

I don't really get the beef with Marx, why are you bringing him into the discussion?

[Slydessertfox]

How is communism a religion?

[Nesimî]

Mircea Eliade once said that it was a biblical myth, that the pains of the noble proletariat would overthrow the cruel bourgeoise and bring forth the classless society of King David. I don't think Marx himself was that deep into that stuff though, and to denounce all brands of his political system based on this is not really something I would recommend.

[Raubritter]

Not in the Quran, in the Hadith, but if he really had temporal lobe epilepsy then he was probably sincere in his beliefs because he likely really was hearing messages.

He was hearing all kinds of noises and and a lot of times it must have been bell ringing. Thats why the muslims start to ban the use of bulls for the caravans and Muhammed called it an instrument of satan. As you may remember, every kind of onstrument except the drum is banned in the islam culture. Even more extrem Forms ban even this.
I think this is because of his epilepsy and the sense perception during the epileptic seizures. People who suffer with this hear all kinds of noises and often also bells.

But this is more about his epilepsy, not his narcissism. His narcissism leaded him to some sort of behavior to force his compulsion neuroses on everyone else.

I don't really get the beef with Marx, why are you bringing him into the discussion?

How is communism a religion?

Because it is also a religion. A religion is nothing else than an ideology and vise versa. It has prophets and theorists, holy scriptures and books and ofcourse all of them are for the greater good. Also they are most formed by narcissist charakters, false leaders. And the similarity between Islam and Socialism is bigger then people who never read either and just wanna play nice and tolerant think. Theorists like Abolqassem Shakibnia even claimed, that it was Mohammed who invented socialism with the Zakat, and he didn't mean that in a bad way.

[AqD]

What if God is the good guy and it is the guys writing the Holy books that are the ones making up false chapters in order to control the people.

if he's a good guy, he would have made us his equals.

[Nesimî]

I've never tried to hide the similarity between my religion and socialism.