View Poll Results: Start date for late Hellenistic mod, the options are more to create an interest and to get thinking about time period. It will be hard to represent the whole map 100% accurately and have all scenarios.

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  • 168 battle of Pydna King Perseus of Makedon faces Roman Republic

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  • 148 Andriskos invades Makedonian to make himself King

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  • 152 Alexander Balas lands in Ptolemais (lLevant) to usurp Seleukid throne

    2 33.33%
  • 171 Mithradates of Parthia comes to throne

    2 33.33%
  • 170 Eukratides usurps Baktrian throne whilst Demetrios is conquering northern India- creating two factions Eukratides in Baktria and Euthydemids in Gandara and NW India

    1 16.67%
  • All of them combined compromise absolute historical truth for a touch of poetic licence

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Thread: [WIP1] Mithridatic Wars and Roman Civil Wars, and [WIP2] Later start date sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids, rise of Parthia.- Help needed please apply within

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    Default [WIP1] Mithridatic Wars and Roman Civil Wars, and [WIP2] Later start date sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids, rise of Parthia.- Help needed please apply within

    Mithridatic Wars and Roman Civil Wars

    The above shows approximately the Republic's expansion by this period, it is not quite the correct time frame- but it is as close and accurate as I could find to make my point.



    New plan starting somewhere around Social war/Mithridatic War, hopefully using Augustus map can show Roman Republic in chaos, but dominating the westetn Mediterranean, but on the verge of civil war!
    Hellenistic kingdoms in their final days, Parthia a power to be reconned with, Hasmoneans before Herod is installed, Nabadateans are sycoenism culture of Hellenistic and Semitic and local power.
    Ptolemaic Egypt is essentially broken propt up by Rome but who knows.
    The Seleukid dynasty lost it's last great army in 129BC, since then been on the back foot against Parthia, but still intent on fighting itself from inside. But now little more than Syria and Kilikia parts of Koile-Syria .

    Next; WIP 2 160/150 BC "Rome enters the Hellenisic World" (Edit: Will wait and see what Baktria DLC brings, still hoping for Indians)
    At start date the Romans cover western Spain, Italy, protectorates in Illyria and Hellas.
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    In the East the Seleukids are still strong, they have had revolt of Maccabees, and had lost areas over the past few decades but were still largest state in Known world at this time. But is the arrival of Alexander Balas defined the beginning of Seleukid collapse and the vacuum left favoured both Rome and Parthia.
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    The above map shows rise of Baktria and their spread and division into India, the rise to greatness was ironically their undoing as it openned the door to the Kushans .
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    Ok so lots of maps. But essentially what I am saying in a short space of time just over 50 years the whole known Hellenistic world is turned upside down forever.
    TO Do list:
    Expand Parthian possessions to fit 140/150 BC
    Two Seleukid factions: Alexander Balas and Demetrios I
    Expand Attalid possessions and make Pergamon capitol
    Sparta changed to Akhaian league
    Hasmoneans ???
    Need to check references for Baktria and Indo-Greeks, Saka and Kushans


    Sadly I am full of ideas, I admit this not my first 'plan of action' but with a little help it can be done. At first it will be hard to get it as historically accurate as I would like, limitations without the modding tools. But should at least offer initially a different scenario.


    Must thank Dresden and TWH and many others for inspiration. Now I just need to mess with files
    If you feel you would like to help me, even with just guidance and moral support please do.
    Thank you for your time
    Antiokhos

    Recruiting:
    Units are very much taken care of apart from the generous use of the magnificent TWH units I am honoured to be working with the genius that is King-Louise-Assurbanipal. Please REP Members of TWH KLA when you see their brilliant work


    Most useful are those who can find their way around these files and knows warscapes peculiarities
    Thank you very much for your time


    EDIT: I must thank ABH for his hugely important tutelage in start pos editing and general advice, I really think I will make a success of this.
    Last edited by Antiokhos Euergetes; December 17, 2014 at 12:23 AM.

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    Default Re: [Proposal(s)] AD 69 Year of Four Emperors, and 150 BC Sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids

    Perhaps you could consider this

    factions like Babylon (under seleucus)

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    Default Re: [Proposal(s)] AD 69 Year of Four Emperors, and 150 BC Sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids

    Perhaps one day, but there is something about those two eras I am really drawn to

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    Default Re: [Proposal(s)] AD 69 Year of Four Emperors, and 150 BC Sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids

    Looks very interesting will have a go of this when you release it also do you have plans for further Scenarios like this?
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    Default Re: [Proposal(s)] AD 69 Year of Four Emperors, and 150 BC Sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids

    Loads of ideas, just not much skill It will be learning on the job! Thanks for support

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    Default Re: [Proposal(s)] AD 69 Year of Four Emperors, and 150 BC Sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids

    C'est une bonne idée pour l'année des 4 empereurs. Ah mon avi il faudrait créer toutes les légions romaines de l'époque et ses légions formerait les factions. Ces légions devraient être la satrapie des 4 grand généraux de l'époque. Si vous voyez ce que je dit. Quant aux région neutre, il faudrait y mettre des garnison du nom de la province.
    It is a good idea for the year 4 emperors. Oh my avi should create all the legions of the time and his legions would form factions. These legions should be the satrapy of 4 great generals of the time. If you know what I said. As for the neutral region, it would put the garrison of the province name.

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    Default Re: [Proposal(s)] AD 69 Year of Four Emperors, and 150 BC Sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids

    Thank you. I will probably give the rival claimants a couple of full legions each. What really need to happen is make taking Rome a essential target/victory condition.
    Last edited by Antiokhos Euergetes; December 02, 2013 at 10:41 AM.

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    Default Re: [Proposal(s)] AD 69 Year of Four Emperors, and 150 BC Sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids

    Pour les différentes légion http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_d...gions_romaines quand à l'équipement les armures segmentés ont à peine fait leur premières apparitions, le casque est encore de type république (comme actuellement sur le jeu avec les auxiliaires) mais quelque exemplaire du types le plus connu impérial commence à faire apparition tout comme le bouclier rectangulaire. De nombreux fantassin ont aussi la crête placé sur le casque. Il faudrait aussi penser à mettre des cavaliers avec javelot (ils sont très nombreux à l'époque), inspirez vous notamment des hippika gymnasia célèbre régiment de cavalerie. Si vous voulez je peux très bien approfondir les recherches.

    For different legion http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_l% C3% A9gions_romaines when equipment segmented armor barely made ​​their first appearances, the helmet is still kind of republic (as currently the game with auxiliaries) but some type copy of the most famous imperial begins to appear as the rectangular shield. Many infantryman also the crest placed on the helmet. Should also consider putting riders with javelin (they are very numerous at the time), you inhale including hippika gymnasia famous cavalry regiment. If you want I can very well further research.

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    Default Re: [Proposal(s)] AD 69 Year of Four Emperors, and 150 BC Sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids

    Good news and bad news
    Good news is I have started work, bad news I crash every time....but I will continue

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    Default Re: [Proposal(s)] AD 69 Year of Four Emperors, and 150 BC Sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids

    you have my mental support

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    Default Re: [Proposal(s)] AD 69 Year of Four Emperors, and 150 BC Sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids

    Little update:
    Now have four Roman contenders on map
    Arsacid Empire at greatest extent
    Renamed several factions to include Lasyges and Quadi
    Lots more to do, but it is a start for a novice.


    Just to clarify: Nothing I do would be possibe without Dresden's work and guidance.
    Anyone else's work I might end up using will be properly credited.
    Again a little request for a qualified mentor, would be greatly appreciated.
    Thank you for you time
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    Default Re: [Proposal(s)] AD 69 Year of Four Emperors, and 150 BC Sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids

    To Do list:
    • Armenia- under Tiridates, Parthian vassal
    • Atropane- Parthian Satrapy

    Still not sure how to represent Jewish rebellion
    • Kommagene(capitol Samosata)- under Antiokhos IV Roman vassal
    • Still need to re-arrange rival Roman territories and make them all at war!
    • Give all Romans, Roman portraits, names and models etc
    • Roman faction leaders correct historical names is Flavius Vespasianvs
    • If possible make certain areas hotbeds of revolt! Britannia for example.

    Have further ideas but do not know whether even feasible, like named legions stationed in correct locations, with correct commanders etc.
    Last edited by Antiokhos Euergetes; December 08, 2013 at 02:53 AM.

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    Default Re: [WIP] AD 69 Year of Four Emperors, and 150 BC Sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids

    I really could do with some guidance with me 'to do list' if anyone more talented passes this way. Please

    What I would really like to do if it is even possible is make four Roman factions 'civil war factions' and have one central Roman faction. So player could choose either of the various candidates, against other. Immediately after Nero's death empire is essentially up for grabs
    Last edited by Antiokhos Euergetes; December 08, 2013 at 02:50 AM.

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    Default Re: [WIP] AD 69 Year of Four Emperors, and 150 BC Sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids

    This is a really interesting and ambitious project!!!
    I ll stay tuned for the updates
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    Default Re: [WIP1] AD 69 Year of Four Emperors, and [WIP2] 150 BC Sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids

    Small update: have renamed Hellenistic cities/poleis and provinces to Latinised Greek
    Same for faction names
    next is characters names
    regions ownership- the hard part!
    And somehow would like to create proper Seleukid and Ptolemaic civilian and military titles- not sure if possible without family tree and caps on characters??

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    Default Re: [WIP1] AD 69 Year of Four Emperors, and [WIP2] Later start date sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids, rise of Parthia.- Help needed please apply within

    Now that a beta Assembly kit has been released I can hopefully make some of the changes much easier. Will still have to wait for mapping tools for cities and boundaries, but its a good start.

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    Default Re: [WIP1] AD 69 Year of Four Emperors, and [WIP2] Later start date sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids, rise of Parthia.- Help needed please apply within

    Still looking for help, if anyone is in the market for a job? I won't let this die, but I might take till they release Rome IV on my own

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    Default Re: [WIP1] AD 69 Year of Four Emperors, and [WIP2] Later start date sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids, rise of Parthia.- Help needed please apply within

    Very much interested in the year of the four emperor period. <I played this scenario in AJE , the AGEOD wargame, and there is a mine of informations to find there. To me, playing a peculiar scenario is the last thing that would get me interested in RTW2 ( I'm not talking of EB2 as it's something different) as the sand box aspect of the game is much too dumbed. AND any roman civil war (the most enthraling being the Marius/Sulla confrontation) involved all the other factions of the mediteranean world anyway.

    I'm sorry, I would love to help but my RL won't let me participate in such a thing. And I doubt my modding skills would be of any help anyway.
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    Default Re: [WIP1] AD 69 Year of Four Emperors, and [WIP2] Later start date sack of Carthage, Korinth, end of Makedon, decline of Seleukids, rise of Parthia.- Help needed please apply within

    That's no problem just glad to see someone drop by and show some interest. Hope to see you at the finish line

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